90% of the internet can't become a member of the ****ing Illuminati because they don't believe in God.
I'm joking, guys (about the Illuminati part), but it does seem strange that a belief in God (or "a superintending and protecting power") is a requirement.
Anyhow, I kind of believe in a Creator role thing (because I can't wrap my head around how something (atoms, basic matter) can arise from nothing (nothingness)), so I think I qualify to join the ****ing Illuminati.
I'm going to be the best Illuminati dude ever.
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Anyhow, I kind of believe in a Creator role thing (because I can't wrap my head around how something (atoms, basic matter) can arise from nothing (nothingness)), so I think I qualify to join the ****ing Illuminati.
if atoms can't arise from nothing then where did god come from?
also once you're at the head of the new world order please get reggie demoted from president of NoA and replace him with someone competent.
Going to go ahead and say this before anyone else does.
We only know that based on what we've seen that matter cannot be created. There in lies the truth. Up to this point, it would be blissfully ignorant to believe we're close to the exact truth. What we have now is just our best effort.
That's how things seem three years in my Biochem degree. We could be wrong about one critical thing and it would change everything that is known about science. It's not an argument for God or a deity but an argument against the rejection of such a being based on the "primary mover" or "first that just was" theory.
The idea of God is like a black hole. We know the black hole exists solely based on the fact that someone else looked around in space and called it that. None of us have ever seen a black hole but we assume it exists because the concept is known to us. I personally don't know what the hell it does nor how matter has not accumulated over time to alter it but it's somehow still feasible despite logic defying. Now if I were to popularize a theory that black holes do not exist and it be accepted by some over time, hell we have ourselves the question:
What is more feasible: an undetectable presence or a object that exists due to absence?
I don't actually believe in any sort of God-thing, like, at all. I just have literally no idea how to even begin conceiving of a theory in which the things that we are made of just simply appear and then begin forming, like, ****ing stars and galaxies and planets and us and ****. I'm not religious but I have a hard time conceptualizing what was here before the Universe, which has a definite birthdate, and as such I have to believe that something existed before the Universe to create all the matter that fills it. That might just be another, previous, dead Universe. I really don't know.
I'm sure some of the more science-y B8ers might have some explanation.
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kevrest posted... Going to go ahead and say this before anyone else does.
We only know that based on what we've seen that matter cannot be created. There in lies the truth. Up to this point, it would be blissfully ignorant to believe we're close to the exact truth. What we have now is just our best effort.
Sure you can create matter. You smash particles together, and in some cases more mass comes out of the scattering event than went into it. That's what they do at CERN and all of the other particle accelerators.
How energy got to be here in the first place, however, is definitely a mystery.
Also, a black hole is just an object dense enough so that it's radius is less than 2GM/c^2.
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SMOKEDOG42O posted... I don't actually believe in any sort of God-thing, like, at all. I just have literally no idea how to even begin conceiving of a theory in which the things that we are made of just simply appear and then begin forming, like, ****ing stars and galaxies and planets and us and ****. I'm not religious but I have a hard time conceptualizing what was here before the Universe, which has a definite birthdate, and as such I have to believe that something existed before the Universe to create all the matter that fills it. That might just be another, previous, dead Universe. I really don't know.
I'm sure some of the more science-y B8ers might have some explanation.
there's definitely many things that we are very far from understanding, I just think it's intellectually lazy to say "god did it". even presuming that something mystical/supernatural is responsible for the creation of everything around us, that could mean so many different things it's ridiculous to just affix it to one all powerful deity...especially considering that when we say "God" at this point we're really just talking about one deity out of the thousands that humans have created, how very arrogant of people to think that abrahamic religion is any different than every mythology that came before it.