Board 8 > Imagine you are a newly born pig.

(+) Yeah! (+)

You are born in a corporate farm, in a dark building, in a metal cage with your siblings by your side. You are with your mother for some time, and begin to get a bit older. Eventually, you are old enough to be separated, but just barely. Your mother is taken away from you, and put on a big truck to the slaughterhouse, where she will be made into a holiday dinner, hot dogs, pork chops, or some other meat that humans will eat while giving no respect to the meat. Meanwhile, your siblings are drinking milk from machines while you're crying out for your momma. You also come to the sad realization that you will probably end up going to the slaughterhouse one day.

Is that what you want? Huh? To have to be selected for a "guess the weight" competition at a county fair to escape the corporate farm, and end up having to work with a sheepdog and other animals on a new farm farm in order to prevent being the next Christmas dinner?

Animals shouldn't be confined to small cages until they are slaughtered. This is corporate farming. If you like eating your animal friends, at least eat less of them and encourage corporate farms to treat animals better. Even if we can't eliminate the torture of animals, we can at least reduce it.

Thank you.

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a holiday dinner, hot dogs, pork chops, or some other meat

Started drooling here, couldn't read the rest.

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Bacon strips and bacon strips and bacon strips

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I don't eat much meat despite talking about bacon often as an in-joke, so who's lame now, huh!?

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Heart attacks in this topic.

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LameJokeAlt posted...
I'm just going to say this. People who eat meat deserved to be eaten themselves. I don't mean being eated by bacteria or worms or what ever, I mean by a real animal that is not just a scavenger.

People who eat meat deserve to die. Gotcha.

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The mods hate my opinions on carnivores, apparently.

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If you care about animals, then more power to you- just don't go around making comments like "If you eat animals, you deserve to be eaten yourself." It's not that simple. Improving conditions for factory farming means that prices also increase, and this negatively impacts consumers, particularly in the lower-classes. In my mind, the suffering of pigs is certainly worth it in order to cut prices and increase the amount of available food. **** animals.

Aside: isn't it funny how supposed animal lovers are almost always misanthropic?

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and what do you propose as an alternative mr. topic creator?

vegetarianism?

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

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LameJokeAlt posted...
The mods hate my opinions on carnivores, apparently.

I think anyone with common sense would hate what you said.

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From: TheRock1525 | #057
I think anyone with common sense would hate what you said.

are you saying mods have common sense?

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and what do you propose as an alternative mr. topic creator?

vegetarianism?

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

not as victimless as you might think!

Oh please; Maddox is awesome, but hilariously inaccurate from time to time. Here's the argument he actually makes in that article:

A vegetarian diet still ends up killing some animals. Trying to save animals from suffering is only worth it if you can save every animal, which is clearly impossible. Therefore, vegetarianism is just as bad as eating a meat-only diet.

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I've known one really cool vegan.

I'm beginning to think she was the only one to exist.

FREEZE

Vegan Police!

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Improving conditions for factory farming means that prices also increase, and this negatively impacts consumers, particularly in the lower-classes. In my mind, the suffering of pigs is certainly worth it in order to cut prices and increase the amount of available food. **** animals.

So what you are saying is that any average Joe six-pack should be able to waltz into a store and buy his own piece of murder for his enjoyment? Yeah, humane meat would make it more expensive, but it is also humane. You know what might also be a good idea to lower food prices? Using that new type of meat in Japan that is made from proteins in feces. Or we could always do the Soylent Green thing. It's not always a good idea to make things cheaper while bringing suffering on others.

EDIT: That Japanese meat is shown here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/20110615/tc_digitaltrends/japanesescientistscreatesmeatoutoffeces_1

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

I refuse to open anything with "grill" in the title, because I know I will see a defenseless animal's corpse on a grill.

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I don't have problems with vegas/vegis as long as they dont try to push their beliefs on me. Well, I mean they can suggest things, and whatnot, but their strategy is almost always guilt trip.

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From: LameJokeAlt | #022
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

I refuse to open anything with "grill" in the title, because I know I will see a defenseless animal's corpse on a grill.

There isn't anything of the sort there, and if you don't open it you're just proving the point of everyone arguing against you.

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From: shadosneko | #101
FREEZE

Vegan Police!

First you were a VE GON but now you will Be Gone.

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BoshStrikesBack posted...
and what do you propose as an alternative mr. topic creator?

vegetarianism?

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

not as victimless as you might think!

Oh please; Maddox is awesome, but hilariously inaccurate from time to time. Here's the argument he actually makes in that article:

A vegetarian diet still ends up killing some animals. Trying to save animals from suffering is only worth it if you can save every animal, which is clearly impossible. Therefore, vegetarianism is just as bad as eating a meat-only diet.

Not 'just as bad' but not without guilt either. The comparison is pretty clear. If someone kills one person and another kills ten, does the person who only killed one have a right to suppose he is better because he killed fewer? Are they not both still criminals?

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This topic is now about Epic Meal Time.



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I don't have problems with vegas/vegis as long as they dont try to push their beliefs on me. Well, I mean they can suggest things, and whatnot, but their strategy is almost always guilt trip.

As were other arguments with regards to rights for others.

There isn't anything of the sort there, and if you don't open it you're just proving the point of everyone arguing against you.

And that is?

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From: TheRock1525 | #027
This topic is now about Epic Meal Time.

Gay bacon strips
Gay bacon strips
Gay bacon strips

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Chrono1219 posted...
I don't have problems with vegas/vegis as long as they dont try to push their beliefs on me. Well, I mean they can suggest things, and whatnot, but their strategy is almost always guilt trip.

Exactly. Even when I was a vegetarian I didn't push my beliefs on anybody because I know how annoying it is when vegetarians try to push their beliefs on you. I, personally, think veganism is a very unhealthy way to live but I'm not going to wish you any ill-will because of your choice. You do your thang and I'll do mine and there'll be enough plants and animals and soy protein for everybody.

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If you are referring to things like civil rights, woman's rights, GLT rights, and so on, it is completely different because they are fighting for equal treatment of people. Vegans/Vegis make a connection where animals are treated badly so you should not eat animals so they don't get treated badly.

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So what you are saying is that any average Joe six-pack should be able to waltz into a store and buy his own piece of murder for his enjoyment?

Murder is loosely defined as "one human purposefully killing another." Humans. Not animals.

Yeah, humane meat would make it more expensive, but it is also humane. You know what might also be a good idea to lower food prices? Using that new type of meat in Japan that is made from proteins in feces. Or we could always do the Soylent Green thing. It's not always a good idea to make things cheaper while bringing suffering on others.

Question: why is the suffering of animals more of a concern than the well-being of humans? Even if it's just for the sake of saving a few bucks, I'd gladly throw some baby chicks down a grinder. It's like really, who the **** cares? Maybe in some distant future where all human problems have been settled first, then we can talk about animal rights.

Not 'just as bad' but not without guilt either. The comparison is pretty clear. If someone kills one person and another kills ten, does the person who only killed one have a right to suppose he is better because he killed fewer? Are they not both still criminals?

Well sure, self-righteous vegans are wrong about this one; then again, they're wrong about everything. For the average person who tries to reduce their meat intake in a reasonable way so as to limit animal suffering, however, the argument doesn't hold up- and that's most vegetarians.

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I think I would like bacon just as much if I were a pig.

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One thing a lot of vegans and, to a lesser extent, vegetarians never bring up is what would happen to these animals if everyone stopped eating them.

I'm not saying this is any sort of valid argument for or against anything, I just find it somewhat interesting to think about.

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If you are referring to things like civil rights, woman's rights, GLT rights, and so on, it is completely different because they are fighting for equal treatment of people.

Define "people." Because, you know, certain groups of people were not considered people.

Murder is loosely defined as "one human purposefully killing another." Humans. Not animals.

Still killing animals when there is no need for it.

Question: why is the suffering of animals more of a concern than the well-being of humans? Even if it's just for the sake of saving a few bucks, I'd gladly throw some baby chicks down a grinder. It's like really, who the **** cares? Maybe in some distant future where all human problems have been settled first, then we can talk about animal rights.

I am saddened about how you feel about animals. At any rate, there will always be human problems, but you should not let that inhibit progress. I assure you that during other movements, there were other human problems, too.

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I hate when people ignorantly use the bible to promote veganism.


It shall Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder, not Thou Shalt Not Kill.


Animals are here to be eaten. That is pretty clear. And sure, maybe they could use some improved conditions before they are slaughtered for my dinner, that sounds fine to me, but that doesn't change that they are food and that is how it should be.

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I hate when people ignorantly use the bible to promote veganism.

Where did I quote the Bible?

Animals are here to be eaten. That is pretty clear. And sure, maybe they could use some improved conditions before they are slaughtered for my dinner, that sounds fine to me, but that doesn't change that they are food and that is how it should be.

For thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years, humans were often dinner for other animals. It is rare now. So no, I do not think that animals exist to be eaten. Who said they were?

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From: LameJokeAlt | #040
Where did I quote the Bible?

I never said you did. I just wanted to get that out there.

For thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years, humans were often dinner for other animals. It is rare now. So no, I do not think that animals exist to be eaten. Who said they were?

Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. Genesis 9:1-4

God said.

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LameJokeAlt posted...
For thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years, humans were often dinner for other animals. It is rare now. So no, I do not think that animals exist to be eaten. Who said they were?

So we're just getting revenge on all those ******* animals. Once we feel that we're even again we'll stop eating them.

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From: LameJokeAlt | #001
Imagine you are a newly born pig.

Great, so I don't care how ****ty my life is because I'm not sentient

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Forceful_Dragon posted...
For thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years, humans were often dinner for other animals. It is rare now. So no, I do not think that animals exist to be eaten. Who said they were?

Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. Genesis 9:1-4

God said.



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I've never understood the argument here.

I eat meat, and I'm a bad person because of it.

A lion eats meat, and it's just nature taking its course.

How is me eating meat any different?

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I am afraid of responding to FD, for doing so would require me to debate a Bible quote quoting God, therefore, I would be debating with God. I don't think I can win that debate.

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LameJokeAlt posted...
I am afraid of responding to FD, for doing so would require me to debate a Bible quote quoting God, therefore, I would be debating with God. I don't think I can win that debate.

If your arguments are sound, you have nothing to fear :p

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Emporer_Kazbar posted...
I've never understood the argument here.

I eat meat, and I'm a bad person because of it.

A lion eats meat, and it's just nature taking its course.

How is me eating meat any different?

I don't know. Do you roar awesomely like a lion after you eat meat?

'Cause that would be pretty cool.