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Zikten 02/08/24 12:21:45 AM #1:	https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/07/world/herculaneum-scroll-passages-decoded-philodemus-vesuvius-scn/index.html it is rolled up and heavily charred. So trying to unroll it would make the entire thing disintegrate. Somehow, AI was able to read the rolled up paper and figure out the heavily damaged letters. Turns out its writings of a previously little known philosopher because not much of his work survived to today. He says to relax and enjoy things in life. <cite>Zikten posted [p:978719767] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/07/world/herculaneum-scroll-passages-decoded-philodemus-vesuvius-scn/index.htmlit is rolled up and heavily charred. So trying to unroll it would make the entire thing disintegrate. Somehow, AI was able to read the rolled up paper and figure out the heavily damaged letters. Turns out its writings of a previously little known philosopher because not much of his work survived to today. He says to relax and enjoy things in life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorPiranha3 02/08/24 12:23:03 AM #2:	Zikten posted... He says to relax and enjoy things in life. Wow. Why didn't I think of that. <cite>DoctorPiranha3 posted [p:978719781] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>He says to relax and enjoy things in life.</quote>Wow. Why didn't I think of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 02/08/24 12:25:37 AM #3:	i guess that's cool if they think it can be trusted to be accurate. i could have told them that's what the scroll said too --- No clues, no trace No hands, no face <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:978719807] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>i guess that's cool if they think it can be trusted to be accurate. i could have told them that's what the scroll said too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C_Pain 02/08/24 12:25:43 AM #4:	And people wanna shit on AI. --- How quaint. <cite>C_Pain posted [p:978719810] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>And people wanna shit on AI. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Holy_Cloud105 02/08/24 12:27:39 AM #5:	DoctorPiranha3 posted... Wow. Why didn't I think of that. Because you're not a philosopher. --- Currently Playing: The Legend of Heroes: Trails into Reverie <cite>Holy_Cloud105 posted [p:978719840] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>DoctorPiranha3 posted... </cite><quote>Wow. Why didn't I think of that.</quote>Because you're not a philosopher. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 02/08/24 12:30:17 AM #6:	C_Pain posted... And people wanna shit on AI. That's mostly because AI is being used for the wrong ends. --- Miss the old GameFAQs politics board? Then come here to discuss it with us: https://www.reddit.com/r/gamefaqs261/ <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:978719877] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>C_Pain posted... </cite><quote>And people wanna shit on AI.</quote>That's mostly because AI is being used for the wrong ends. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ratchetrockon 02/08/24 12:32:42 AM #7:	could a human have done this without AI after many years? --- I'm a Taurus. Currently playing: Whispers of A Machine (PC), DMC3:SE Ubisoft Port (PC), Oddworld Abe's Exoddus (PC), Ratchet Rift Apart (Ps5) He/Him <cite>Ratchetrockon posted [p:978719909] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>could a human have done this without AI after many years? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 02/08/24 12:33:21 AM #8:	Its basically just educated guesswork I assume. This is super great, but, in the end its a recreation based on tattered remains, its impossible to know now if its how it truly used to be <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:978719924] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Its basically just educated guesswork I assume. This is super great, but, in the end its a recreation based on tattered remains, its impossible to know now if its how it truly used to be </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueKat 02/08/24 12:40:33 AM #9:	Rika_Furude posted... Its basically just educated guesswork I assume. This is super great, but, in the end its a recreation based on tattered remains, its impossible to know now if its how it truly used to be I read a different article on this and the first word the AI deciphered was "purple" and it went from there. I'd say it's definitely better than "educated guesswork." --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. <cite>BlueKat posted [p:978720006] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite><quote>Its basically just educated guesswork I assume. This is super great, but, in the end its a recreation based on tattered remains, its impossible to know now if its how it truly used to be</quote>I read a different article on this and the first word the AI deciphered was "purple" and it went from there. I'd say it's definitely better than "educated guesswork." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OriginalPlain2 02/08/24 12:41:55 AM #10:	Im virtually obsessed with ancient civilization that is all --- 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? <cite>OriginalPlain2 posted [p:978720023] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Im virtually obsessed with ancient civilizationthat is all </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gritty 02/08/24 12:44:26 AM #11:	All that hard work just to find out the dude was singing dont worry be happy <cite>Gritty posted [p:978720046] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>All that hard work just to find out the dude was singing dont worry be happy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C_Pain 02/08/24 12:44:47 AM #12:	Humble_Novice posted... That's mostly because AI is being used for the wrong ends. Used? He has feelings --- How quaint. <cite>C_Pain posted [p:978720050] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>That's mostly because AI is being used for the wrong ends.</quote>Used? He has feelings </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 02/08/24 1:10:50 AM #13:	Ratchetrockon posted... could a human have done this without AI after many years? Not sure. I'm still confused on how even AI can read it. I guess they had some way to look inside the roll <cite>Zikten posted [p:978720312] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Ratchetrockon posted... </cite><quote>could a human have done this without AI after many years?</quote>Not sure. I'm still confused on how even AI can read it. I guess they had some way to look inside the roll</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueKat 02/08/24 1:23:05 AM #14:	Zikten posted... Not sure. I'm still confused on how even AI can read it. I guess they had some way to look inside the roll A different article explained that they scanned it with lasers to extract data at a molecular level (but they had to be careful that the lasers wouldn't damage it further) and scientists were able to tell what particles were papyrus and which were ink--which was made from carbon, and the whole thing was mostly carbon after being scorched by the volcano, but the ink had a different molecular makeup than the volcanic ash. Later, some twenty-year-old decided to pop the data in an AI algorithm and it started to come out with ancient Greek words --- There is no good. There is no evil. There just is. <cite>BlueKat posted [p:978720430] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>Not sure. I'm still confused on how even AI can read it. I guess they had some way to look inside the roll</quote>A different article explained that they scanned it with lasers to extract data at a molecular level (but they had to be careful that the lasers wouldn't damage it further) and scientists were able to tell what particles were papyrus and which were ink--which was made from carbon, and the whole thing was mostly carbon after being scorched by the volcano, but the ink had a different molecular makeup than the volcanic ash. Later, some twenty-year-old decided to pop the data in an AI algorithm and it started to come out with ancient Greek words </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 02/08/24 1:26:27 AM #15:	Ratchetrockon posted... could a human have done this without AI after many years? No. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:978720458] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Ratchetrockon posted... </cite><quote>could a human have done this without AI after many years?</quote>No. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mercurydude 02/08/24 1:35:26 AM #16:	Zikten posted... He says to relax and enjoy things in life. This is similar to the advice of the song of Seikilos, which is the oldest complete musical composition to have survived. While you live, shine have no grief at all life exists only for a short while and Time demands his due. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIFcIE23Su4 --- God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes, 'cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose. - Everlast <cite>mercurydude posted [p:978720546] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>He says to relax and enjoy things in life.</quote>This is similar to the advice of the song of Seikilos, which is the oldest complete musical composition to have survived. <quote>While you live, shinehave no grief at alllife exists only for a short whileand Time demands his due.</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIFcIE23Su4 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadlyNinjaBees 02/08/24 1:36:40 AM #17:	ellis123 posted... No. I think that's underestimating us a bit. I mean you could be right, but humans have achieved some stupendous shit when pushed for an outcome. --- Soi Disantra. <cite>DeadlyNinjaBees posted [p:978720555] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>ellis123 posted... </cite><quote>No.</quote>I think that's underestimating us a bit. I mean you could be right, but humans have achieved some stupendous shit when pushed for an outcome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sir_Will 02/08/24 1:40:33 AM #18:	C_Pain posted... And people wanna shit on AI. It entirely depends on the application. --- River Song: Well, I was off to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I thought 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think i'll kill the Fuhrer' <cite>Sir_Will posted [p:978720587] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>C_Pain posted... </cite><quote>And people wanna shit on AI.</quote>It entirely depends on the application. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodMoon7 02/08/24 1:41:17 AM #19:	DeadlyNinjaBees posted... I think that's underestimating us a bit. I mean you could be right, but humans have achieved some stupendous shit when pushed for an outcome. I don't think anyone was pushing for the outcome of a stanky old scroll that basically said "smoke weed everyday, chillax bro". So I'd say it was a job only AI could do if only because AI lacks free will for now and can be forced to do this. This outcome is also more for the advancement of AI and the deciphering of the scroll is secondary. --- My maid will hear about this. <cite>BloodMoon7 posted [p:978720594] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>DeadlyNinjaBees posted... </cite><quote>I think that's underestimating us a bit. I mean you could be right, but humans have achieved some stupendous shit when pushed for an outcome.</quote>I don't think anyone was pushing for the outcome of a stanky old scroll that basically said "smoke weed everyday, chillax bro". So I'd say it was a job only AI could do if only because AI lacks free will for now and can be forced to do this. This outcome is also more for the advancement of AI and the deciphering of the scroll is secondary. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 02/08/24 1:45:26 AM #20:	DeadlyNinjaBees posted... I think that's underestimating us a bit. I mean you could be right, but humans have achieved some stupendous shit when pushed for an outcome. It is not, no. It is underestimating just how utterly illegible a piece of charcoal is to think that a human could ever do it. Humans do not have the ability to parse what is there at all within our life times, this is just something absolutely beyond what any human would ever attempt. At best we can do what we did here: which is parse through a bunch of random data after AI has made it potentially legible. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:978720633] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>DeadlyNinjaBees posted... </cite><quote>I think that's underestimating us a bit. I mean you could be right, but humans have achieved some stupendous shit when pushed for an outcome.</quote>It is not, no. It is underestimating just how utterly illegible a piece of charcoal is to think that a human could ever do it. Humans do not have the ability to parse what is there at all within our life times, this is just something absolutely beyond what any human would ever attempt. At best we can do what we did here: which is parse through a bunch of random data after AI has made it potentially legible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 02/08/24 1:46:19 AM #21:	Also, I do wonder if that be happy advice was as popular back then. It might seem like an obvious message today but 2000 years ago, I don't know if it was a popular philosophy. People were too obsessed with survival <cite>Zikten posted [p:978720646] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Also, I do wonder if that be happy advice was as popular back then. It might seem like an obvious message today but 2000 years ago, I don't know if it was a popular philosophy. People were too obsessed with survival</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 02/08/24 1:46:55 AM #22:	it was probably great advice for burning to death in molten rock --- No clues, no trace No hands, no face <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:978720652] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>it was probably great advice for burning to death in molten rock </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 02/08/24 1:55:12 AM #23:	Zikten posted... Also, I do wonder if that be happy advice was as popular back then. It might seem like an obvious message today but 2000 years ago, I don't know if it was a popular philosophy. People were too obsessed with survival I would say it is very relevant still: In the deciphered text, Philodemus writes on pleasure, and whether the abundance of goods available can affect the amount of pleasure they give. As too in the case of food, we do not right away believe things that are scarce to be absolutely more pleasant than those which are abundant, the first sentence reads. That is the kind of thing that is understood today, yes, but even then most people do not internalize it at all and sort of handwave it away whenever it is convenient. For instance, in the context of gaming one could easily point out that a major, if not the biggest, reason that people our age do not find games as fun is because there are so many more available options to the point that the highlights do not stick out as much due to just how many games are available. Inversely you could point out that games a while back were not actually as good as the nostalgia dictates and it's instead because they were the only options at all that they continue to be enshrined. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:978720712] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>Also, I do wonder if that be happy advice was as popular back then. It might seem like an obvious message today but 2000 years ago, I don't know if it was a popular philosophy. People were too obsessed with survival</quote>I would say it is very relevant still:In the deciphered text, Philodemus writes on pleasure, and whether the abundance of goods available can affect the amount of pleasure they give. As too in the case of food, we do not right away believe things that are scarce to be absolutely more pleasant than those which are abundant, the first sentence reads.That is the kind of thing that is understood today, yes, but even then most people do not internalize it at all and sort of handwave it away whenever it is convenient. For instance, in the context of gaming one could easily point out that a major, if not the biggest, reason that people our age do not find games as fun is because there are so many more available options to the point that the highlights do not stick out as much due to just how many games are available. Inversely you could point out that games a while back were not actually as good as the nostalgia dictates and it's instead because they were the only options at all that they continue to be enshrined. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Thermador446 02/08/24 3:33:20 AM #25:	Translation: " Holy fuck, I think this volcano is about to erupt!" --- "While you were wasting your time castrating a priceless antique, I was systematically feeding babies to hungry mutated puppies!" -The Monarch <cite>Thermador446 posted [p:978721384] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Translation: " Holy fuck, I think this volcano is about to erupt!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 02/08/24 3:39:28 AM #26:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ea59c039.jpg wow --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade <cite>solosnake posted [p:978721421] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ea59c039.jpgwow </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/08/24 3:46:25 AM #27:	Getting real annoyed at the casual and flagrant misuse of "AI" in all media now --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:978721467] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Getting real annoyed at the casual and flagrant misuse of "AI" in all media now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OriginalPlain2 02/08/24 3:50:15 AM #28:	pinky0926 posted... Getting real annoyed at the casual and flagrant misuse of "AI" in all media now Yeeeaaah plus it doesnt even look good --- 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? <cite>OriginalPlain2 posted [p:978721490] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite><quote>Getting real annoyed at the casual and flagrant misuse of "AI" in all media now</quote>Yeeeaaahplus it doesnt even look good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 02/08/24 7:14:27 AM #29:	Zikten posted... He says to relax and enjoy things in life. Probably the best philospher there is --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:978722744] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>He says to relax and enjoy things in life.</quote>Probably the best philospher there is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mustachedmystic 02/08/24 7:27:50 AM #30:	Zikten posted... Not sure. I'm still confused on how even AI can read it. I guess they had some way to look inside the roll I would assume dey scanned da scroll wit x-rays, or something, and da AI analyzed da results. --- Getting high and playing video games is the best! I swear to ducking God! <cite>mustachedmystic posted [p:978722857] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>Not sure. I'm still confused on how even AI can read it. I guess they had some way to look inside the roll</quote>I would assume dey scanned da scroll wit x-rays, or something, and da AI analyzed da results. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain_S_Fiend 02/08/24 7:35:15 AM #31:	"You should smile more" --- The food here is terrible. My steak was so tough it attacked my coffee and the coffee was too weak to defend itself. <cite>Villain_S_Fiend posted [p:978722928] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>"You should smile more" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BTH_Phoenix 02/08/24 9:51:19 AM #32:	Expectation: ancient wisdom Reality: ancient self-help grifter --- whoosh <cite>BTH_Phoenix posted [p:978724518] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Expectation: ancient wisdomReality: ancient self-help grifter </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
brestugo 02/08/24 10:04:13 AM #33:	GiftedACIII posted... Probably the best philospher there is Heard one report that the guy was father-in-law to Julius Caesar or something like that. He was a pretty big deal at some point. --- Putin delenda est <cite>brestugo posted [p:978724710] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>GiftedACIII posted... </cite><quote>Probably the best philospher there is</quote>Heard one report that the guy was father-in-law to Julius Caesar or something like that. He was a pretty big deal at some point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Soliloquy_Rhap 02/09/24 8:18:06 PM #34:	Imagine if what we thought was lost media was found with future technology. <cite>Soliloquy_Rhap posted [p:978754985] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Imagine if what we thought was lost media was found with future technology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeoRavus 02/09/24 8:47:22 PM #36:	Imagine someone finding a 15 year old girl's burnt up diary 2000 years from now and spending thousands of dollars trying to read it --- This is where cool people write stuff. <cite>LeoRavus posted [p:978755432] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Imagine someone finding a 15 year old girl's burnt up diary 2000 years from now and spending thousands of dollars trying to read it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
name_unknown 02/09/24 8:51:43 PM #37:	Best part AI can be wrong and it's work not be checked. AI screws up summaries and songs often. <cite>name_unknown posted [p:978755512] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Best part AI can be wrong and it's work not be checked. AI screws up summaries and songs often.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shironinja 02/09/24 8:53:57 PM #38:	turns out the AI model was trained on a script from The Lion King: https://youtu.be/nbY_aP-alkw --- Now or never. <cite>shironinja posted [p:978755550] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>turns out the AI model was trained on a script from The Lion King:https://youtu.be/nbY_aP-alkw </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cynrascal 02/11/24 4:57:14 PM #40:	C_Pain posted... And people wanna shit on AI. Broken clock. --- Asocial, not introverted. Know the difference. Maybe those JRPGs villains were on to something about humanity being trash. <cite>Cynrascal posted [p:978785360] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>C_Pain posted... </cite><quote>And people wanna shit on AI.</quote>Broken clock. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 02/14/24 3:01:32 AM #41:	... I strip search alot of dead bodies.... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcx6UbMCtfI --- http://m.youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:978834122] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>... I strip search alot of dead bodies....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcx6UbMCtfI </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 02/14/24 3:03:21 AM #42:	Thank you 2000 year old Sage. <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:978834133] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>Thank you 2000 year old Sage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomClark 02/14/24 3:20:41 AM #43:	These motherfuckers just got tired of studios rejecting their "Lovecraft Meets Terminator" movie pitch, and finally thought "Fine! We'll just get the computers to read from the ancient glowing volcano scroll ourselves!" --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif <cite>TomClark posted [p:978834222] in Scientists... [t:80691103]...</cite> <quote>These motherfuckers just got tired of studios rejecting their "Lovecraft Meets Terminator" movie pitch, and finally thought "Fine! We'll just get the computers to read from the ancient glowing volcano scroll ourselves!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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