Board 8 > Gamefaqs mafia mafia Topic 6: The Haunted Manor; well kinda?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Well is anyone surprised that another one bites the dust. You retired to your Bedroom. You looked in the mirror and said you know what thought I've almost been hung this hasn't been the worst case scenario for me. You almost seemed at peace when it happened. You must have laughed that you atleast managed not to get killed by your own fellow non Mafia Members. You yelled well ill be damned it was you all along huh? You grabbed a lamp and and threw it but you missed. You charged but were not fast enough. You came up short and without my protection you couldn't escape death twice.

Isquen had been Eliminated he was:

Isquen: Town Unlynchable

When I think of Isquen, sadly I think this poor guy can't catch a break and gets mislynched every game. HAHA not this time assholes, Isquen cannot be mislynched this time!

You cannot get lynched, but you can however still be night killed. If you get the most votes on a lynch, the noose will slip off and the day will end without a lynch.

You win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Eliminated:
Pregame:Ctes Town Vanilla Chaos Tony Scum Vanilla
D1:Kirby Scum Prostitute
N1:Lopen Town Vanilla
D2: Sbell scum Roleblocker
N2: death Town Doctor
D3. Corrik Town Pineapple Vendor Eliminated:
N3: IGCD Town Cop and Peaf Town Flavor Cop
N4:Ulti Town Director

Alive:

Crescent

Lea

Red

The Ghost of a lesser man

Wallz

Eliminated:
Pregame:Ctes, Town Vanilla and Chaos Tony, Scum Vanilla
D1: Kirby, Scum Prostitute
N1: Lopen, Town Vanilla
D2: Sbell, Scum Roleblocker
N2: Death, Town Doctor
D3. Corrik, Town Pineapple Vendor
N3: IGCD, Town Cop
N3: Peaf, Town Flavor Cop
N4: Ulti, Town Director
D5: Wall, Town Restless Spirit
N5:Isquen, Town Unlynchable

@Lea @Leafeon13N @red13n @Crescent-Moon

Do not vote yet. Lea, unvote now.

@Lea

Wow this is bad.

Thank you. I dont think youre scum. I re-read through end of day 2 and think its blatantly red.

I will present my closing thoughts now.

@Crescent-Moon dont vote, obviously.

Huh. I really expected Isquen to have still been alive and to have voted me by now. Zero chance Isquen would ever let me live in a final 3 situation.

I basically operated yesterday under the assumption that town was completely fucked on a Wall lynch exactly for that reason.

(For the record I still hold that Wall was one of the most obvious town I've ever seen)

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I expected another "Corwin" game. I mentioned the game he was in once. This guy spent all game hating on me because I put one vote on him day 1, got pseudo confirmed town, scum never killed him, and then he lynched me over 100% confirmed scum at lylo, just to be extra sure I wouldn't win. All because I voted for him on day 1.

That would be Isquen's mentality here. I spent the entire night phase expecting to roll over and die as soon as the day came up.

Case against Red. Gonna split into a couple posts:

Voting History - He voted sbell at the very start of d1 during the shit posting phase. However, zero credit is earned here because he was just the second vote and he couldnt easily unvote sbell without looking sus and got bailed out by the gladiate.

When gladiate began, he focused solely on death and never placed a vote. Here are some of his posts:

1.367 (during gladiate) - Death i would like to know why i shouldn't kill you.

1.401 - Give more than this. Give me some convincing thoughts that make me want to not kill you.

2.014 - I'd like to hear them fight it out a bit more.

Peaf had a good game. Please enjoy one of his posts for an interesting, comprehensive look at everyone who did not participate in the gladiate:

2.085 (Peaf) - Red, Kirby, and sbell did not have votes down at the end. Sbell was considering hammering but was scared to.

And Death: 2.116 (Death) - Red demanded to know why I should live. He ignored Kirby entirely. Thats enough reason for me to suspect him.

2.268 (Red) - This is inaccurate, actually. I wanted to pressure death because we had two people on the table, kirby and death. I am better at reading death(and he was around), so he was the one I was going to prod in the moment.

Wallz note: Kirby had posted more recently than death and was clearly around when red made these posts (like, Kirby posted 10 minutes before these red posts). Its not a direct contradiction, but saying death was around doesnt really make a lot of sense when Kirby was the one with the most recent posts. I think Red just didnt have a good justification for only putting death on the stand.

Day 2 - did not vote sbell, voted Corrik.
Day 3 - voted Corrik.
Day 4 - voted Isquen.
Day 5 - voted Wallz.

Lea was on the Kirby lynch. Abacus was on Kirby and Crescent was a vital part of getting sbell lynched. Red said he wanted to see a bit more before voting death or Kirby but showed no interest in investigating Kirby, and when Ulti asked red his opinion on sbells fake claim, red said: I dont like it at a glance would need to see how sbell responded to death comments today and lopen yesterday. (3.249)

In short - Red has the worst voting record by a mile.

(The mentality of "I don't care if I lose, so long as you don't win", specifically.)

I called out Red's voting record I don't even know how long ago. It's an abomination outside of the early joke vote on SBell. The one big Red really has going for him is that if Lea's town, the game is super obviously imbalanced.

The one big Red

wallmasterz posted...

Lea was on the Kirby lynch. Abacus was on Kirby and Crescent was a vital part of getting sbell lynched. Red said he wanted to see a bit more before voting death or Kirby but showed no interest in investigating Kirby, and when Ulti asked red his opinion on sbells fake claim, red said: I dont like it at a glance would need to see how sbell responded to death comments today and lopen yesterday. (3.249)

This is interesting because I've already brought up that Red doesn't really bus. When we did all our soft bussing in Smash, Joyrock voted Red for some awful reason before he died, and Red didn't even vote him back.

I'm kinda wondering how Red interacted with Joyrock over that span.

My reaction to SBell's claim was effectively "Nope. Die." SBell never got far enough ahead of Corrik to be a clear-cut lynch. I've already said I was super tempted to switch from SBell to Corrik because I thought that was scum/scum and would've preferred to shut Corrik up, but I absolutely thought SBell was flipping roleblocker.

Red's reaction was passively shady and he never really gave any good reason to stay on Corrik.

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This game has been fairly tame as far as roles go.. So I don't see really how balancing it should have been that hard. Your role should not exist as town with the flips we have. I've never been one to ignore that as an argument.

This is kind of funny to come in to because in Crescent's eyes I should basically be confirmed town at this point(You all know how hammer happy I get, and how invested I get in mafia when I smell victory). If I were scum I would have just been F5'ing this topic and hammering Lea.

If I had to come in here and just drop a vote no one talking, I vote Lea. If I had to vote based on the last two days only(This F3 and yesterday), I probably just drop it on Crescent.

I will say though, there is exactly one thing that happened later in the day yesterday that I don't know if you'd do as scum in this situation.

wallmasterz posted...

Thank you. I dont think youre scum. I re-read through end of day 2 and think its blatantly red.

Wasn't end of day 2 me basically "I'm at work but this sbell claim smells".

Red would've had... An approximately 1 1/2 minute window to hammer me.

red13n posted...

Wasn't end of day 2 me basically "I'm at work but this sbell claim smells".

While he was up by only 2 votes and you were on his counterwagon.

wallmasterz posted...

Day 2 - did not vote sbell, voted Corrik.
Day 3 - voted Corrik.
Day 4 - voted Isquen.
Day 5 - voted Wallz.

Anyways wallz, town can be wrong, surprisingly. You are overlooking a couple things.
A) Did not try to save kirby
B) Did not try to save sbell(In fact, the opposite)

Beyond that, Isquen was a null lynch. It was merely gameplay because it literally did no harm and reduced the PoE.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Red would've had... An approximately 1 1/2 minute window to hammer me.

I would have hammered the shit out of you if I were scum. 100%.

I don't think you understand how hard I'd have been F5'ing this topic if I were scum in this F3.

##vote: Lea

Fine, Crescent can have a win if Crescent is scum. Both of you showed up here trying to play both sides which honestly I wasn't quite prepared for.

But Lea doesn't have a great explanation for why sbell got shot and not her. It is the obvious answer in the setup.

In fairness it takes a window of less than 2 seconds between refreshing the topic and pasting in a pre-written vote.

Well ok then, I guess I'm confirmed town.

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Countervote and lets go.
Crescent-Moon posted...

Well ok then, I guess I'm confirmed town.

Or patient scum, have at it.

red13n posted...

##vote: Lea

Fine, Crescent can have a win if Crescent is scum. Both of you showed up here trying to play both sides which honestly I wasn't quite prepared for.

But Lea doesn't have a great explanation for why sbell got shot and not her. It is the obvious answer in the setup.

You mean why IGCD got shot right.

That's where a significant amount of the argument hinges, yes. Why was he shot over her?

red13n posted...

Countervote and lets go.

Or patient scum, have at it.

Oh please did I not just say it takes a window of less than 2 seconds

Crescent-Moon posted...

You mean why IGCD got shot right.

That's where a significant amount of the argument hinges, yes. Why was he shot over her?

yeah, sorry. Honestly those two ring off similar bells in my head I don't know how I havent crossed them up yet this game.

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I am actually shocked Red put a vote down that fast. Alignment irrespective, like, wtf.

It's basically lynch the scummier play or lynch the scummier claim.

Not sure why Lea hasn't countered yet though, it's weird.

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I didn't vote carelessly. I had a general idea of where I was voting. We took 48 hours yesterday. I don't need to take that much time today. The only boxes crescent was checking in my mind you checked today. I trust myself.

red13n posted...

I didn't vote carelessly. I had a general idea of where I was voting. We took 48 hours yesterday. I don't need to take that much time today. The only boxes crescent was checking in my mind you checked today. I trust myself.

What boxes are these

Crescent-Moon posted...

It's basically lynch the scummier play or lynch the scummier claim.

Lea had the scummiest play as all. Sbell was on the ropes and ran in shouting "Lynch ULTI I HAVE INNOCENT SCAN"

Crescent-Moon posted...

What boxes are these

I don't mean to criticize here. But you said a lot of things that were great plays if you were scum yesterday. I pointed them out. You kept that up a bit here today, entertaining both lynches. I don't quite like entertaining both lynches in F3, especially when it felt like you and Lea were jumping on each other. And Lea left you up on the board for awhile(1 minute is LONG in F3).

1.045 - Thats purely coincidence I assure you. People make way too much of the times I post when it really just tends to coincide with when I happen to be awake which can vary greatly.

1.105 - Also its early and I was kind of just up for the direct. So I left out the part where my "multiple votes" is literally just two votes.

2.240 - Also I'd really been thinking I'd had today setup to play XVI with when d1 started so I'm not really happy playing right now.

2.245 (in response to Wallz asking if keeping up
and posting 1-5 times a day is such an interference) Yes.

2.269 - We got stuck between two players after that. And despite me saying I wanted day 1 to go longer, I woke up to the day being long over. Hell I would have begged not to end the day just so we wouldn't get a new day so early(I was actually excited for XVI).

2.272 - I was definitely not looking at the day ending anytime soon. Though admittedly the gladiate killed a lot of my luster.

2.303 - Also if any of you need more evidence I'm town. I sure as fuck don't start a personal conversation with kriby mid-topic about FFXIV when I could just ask on the scumboard.

2.399 - I'm usually pretty stingy outside d1. But the thought was more a timing thing with work today.

3.010 - I honestly dont know how you think you saw anything from me outside like the first few hours of d1. I woke up to ulti trashing the day then woke up to the day being over and the the nect day already being on its way.

3.017 - ##unvote
##vote: corrik

I was wanting to do this but got jumped. He smells opportunistic but not with the bit of intelligent town corrik usually displays.

3.030 - Lea jumped me by voting you first.

3.035 - Because there is only so much time in a day. If i could actively post, read, and think all at once you could get every thought that passes through my head.

3.043 - I just wanted to vote you, not being first was merely incidental circumstance.

3.250 - At work atm so cant really do good work here atm.

4.136 - You guys fucked the perfect timing of the game to really inconvenient timing for me.

But i was definitely not inactive d2 either. Not as active as I'd like to be but i was definitely here.

But you really should learn to townclear and then trust those reads. People fucking suck at being scum, myself included. Once you have people safely town, even in small moments, fucking trust it. Wallz note: Red mad he went from being in everyones town pile d1 to getting suspected? Most likely.

4.154 - Okay IGCD, I have limits to how much I am willing to brain for you.

4.157 - I hadn't even been home to properly read most of the day yet. If we took you as town I don't quite know what you think I would be willing to do at that point.

4.162 - okay IGCD. I had enthusiasm to...try to get my own roleblocker killed, then not save my own scum locked in a duel. Then show up day 2 and splinter my roleblocker, who I don't really defend at all onto corrik, who is somehow also scum with me and trying to lynch me. Wallz note: lmao

4.172 - Also this "did nothing" thing is so dumb. You guys finished off a day at the time I sleep when I'd been asking for the day to not end. I was here for a good bit of day 2. You are just being willfully ignorant or something. I don't know if its some sort of wishful thinking that I'm scum or what. But you have literally nothing but "Red is playing to lose" which is so logically horrible.

4.174 - Which scumhunting did you not like? Piling on the roleblocker. Saying sbell's claim looked trash? Wallz note: lmao

4.251 - by going to bed i mean i'll probably be around for an unspecified amount of time as I try to convince my brain it should actually sleep. So no, I'm not lying, going to bed is just a process.

5.037 - Okay way out of context here. I was at work at the end of day 2 and the only thing I could post were things I could sneak in without really being noticed.

And I definitely didn't fucking idle out corrik. Its not idling out when you guys end the day when I'm sleeping and I was definitely not fucking idle that day.

5.058 - oh no I showed up to play mafia after not being busy for the day how totally horrible.

5.088 - You say I have no enthusiasm, but honestly I've had a fair bit for me. This characterization has honestly been so perplexing this game. Nevermind the continued fault for being inactive at times when I was literally sleeping.

Anyway, unless you are long conning this I know you are town Crescent. So no pressure or anything.

As someone who's still never fully read day 1, IGCD was super obviously counterclaiming without actually counterclaiming.

But it still requires scum to have figured out you used literal mason recruiter on him. I'm curious, did Lea vote Kirby before or after IGCD clearly indicated he was cop? Lea's murder of Kirby is why Ulti immediately bought Lea was actually cop on day 2 when she claimed.

For the love of everything wallz you are wrong as fuck stop.

I could do the same line by line argument for any player in the game if I really wanted to convince myself they were scum.

You are ignroing the basic shit on the board of a) my motivation, and b) Resolving how Lea fits in with the night kills and roles. Which dont have a reasonable explanation at all.

red13n posted...

Anyway, unless you are long conning this I know you are town Crescent. So no pressure or anything.

Oh please it's as not in my nature as obliterating my only scumbuddy replacing into the game would've been. I was planning to roll over and die to Isquen immediately today just to save the game the trouble.