Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 7: I am not a merry man.

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The Crew:
1- BlueCrystalTear
2- Crescent-Moon
3- ctes
4- EDumey
5- Han
6- JC
7- Lea
8- MZero
9- Sheep007
10- Sultan
11- UltimaterializerX
12- wallmasterz

Tribbles:
LD1 - SirChris - Harry Mudd, Scum Hammerer/Double Voter
KN1 - Death - Ensign Harry Kim, Town Vanilla

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch. The Day will end at 8pm EST on Friday the 10th (today!).

If I were a cat girl

(meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow)

All day long I'd meow and purr

If I were kitty girl

I wouldn't have to work at all

Meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow

If I were a meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow cat girl

BlueCrystalTear posted... That was Ctes, not Lea.

Oh, and...

Lea welcomes the misplaced rage~

Right, Lea called me out on suspicious cookies elsewhere. They were delicious though!

Crescent-Moon posted...

If I were a cat girl

(meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow)

All day long I'd meow and purr

If I were kitty girl

I wouldn't have to work at all

Meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow

If I were a meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow cat girl

few times Ive been around that cat and its not just gonna happen like that

cause I aint no meow-right-back girl

i aint no meow-right-back girl

Sorry JC, the meow scan was for one page only

but Han I said Im not meowing right back

Im late to say TVA is the recommended kingdom hearts bbs playthrough order

TV, eh is something a Canadian might say when she asks what you want to do and you say watch tv

##unvote

Brain going into skimmer mode again. Don't get old. Gonna set a quick alarm and pick up with end of day day 1.

Some snips of my notes:
Topic 1:
1-401 - Han feeling good about Sheep not claiming flavor.

Topic 2:
2-58 - Sheep claims Kasidy Yates-Sisko. I have no idea who Star Trek people are. *Reads up*
"Went to prison" "Had a child" "Deep Space 9." I can actually buy this claim, if the play allows for it otherwise.
2-65.4 / 2-76 - Reactionary and NAI of BCT, but I can't shake the gut feeling of "rookie on scum" either for wallmasterz.
2-126 - "Chris is just always working to solve the game. I like that. Whether it's Chris gaslighting the shit out of us is up in the air. It's not a terribly complex take."
2-129 "If Sheep is scum and Dumey is town, then I think that Sheep throwing a second soulread/town read out on Death was likely an attempt to distance or decouple."
2-214/215 - I'm not even in the game at this point and Chris is calling out a prior game. Hey, dead guy! Bite me!

Topic 3
3-199 - Sheep's take on the "Murder/Veto" list. I could see Sheep putting two scum out of three into veto if he's scum, which means 50-50 between Wall and Crescent, and of the two, I'm more likely to think Wall as scummy, Crescent poking the bear aside.
3-261 - ctes: "What are the chances this is all performative by Chris and Han." I could see it.

The worst part of laying these thoughts out as I go is a lot of them DO hinge on Sheep being scum and I basically need to do another reread if he flips town.

I feel like at this point Sheep flipping town would force a re-evaluation of the entire game.

If post 450 was directed at me, it wasn't a callout in the slightest.

Yeah, that tub screwed me.

So the claims we have on the board

Han- not bread crumbing doctor or cop or flavor scanner

But forreal

Crescent-Moon- Miller something
Sheep- Vanilla
Bct- Vanilla
Ulti- BP doc
Jc- weak Tracker.
Ctes-vig

Flipped double voter hammer scum
Town vanilla

Am I missing anything?

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Truly, a fate worse than Death!

I'm not sure what to make of everyone just accepting Sheep's lynch, Sheep included.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'm not sure what to make of everyone just accepting Sheep's lynch, Sheep included.

The fact that Sheep made this big deal of not rushing his lynch so he could come in with this super great content and then Sheep doing essentially nothing in comparison kinda just totally fizzled the day out.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Actually yep that makes a whole lotta sense.

I also think scum was really hoping I would gun for JC today, because my immediate reaction was his claim only made sense coming from scum, as I made no sense as a target coming from town. But, I just wasn't really feeling it that hard, and then the other claims happened. I feel like at multiple points today I received criticism for refusing to go after JC.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I feel like at this point Sheep flipping town would force a re-evaluation of the entire game.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'm not sure what to make of everyone just accepting Sheep's lynch, Sheep included.

I do wonder even if Sheep flips scum, if that means that the remaining scum is fairly insulated like in the Crescent/Han/Lia group that everyone seems to accept as town. I'm not actually pushing suspicion right now, but I feel like the current complete lack of anyone wanting to move this lynch at the moment means scum is comfortable one way or the other. Who benefits the most from being on this Sheep lynch if there's a bus involved? Wallz/Ulti/Sultan being the latest three to jump on? I don't really see Wallz as a player who would come in and bus that hard thinking he could pull off a win in endgame.

I think scum knows they can't openly defend Sheep because there's just nothing there to openly defend him with, with Sultan's insistence that I think JC is town is scummy being the closest thing we have to a defense. I do think there's at least one scum who really hasn't done much today and is just waiting to get the misery of the day over with, though.

I did say last night that I'm worried about how small the POE seems to be.

Ulti I hate to engage in this kind of WIFOM argument, but do you really think I as scum would sit here and just let a scum buddy get lynched without aggressively pushing for another option? It's not like scum Sheep dying gives me any kind of town cred.

Yeah it's a pretty tricky spot if Sheep is in fact scum because most of the other discussion focal points today (Me, Crescent, Isquen) are off the table and/or replaced in and are being given time. Hard to just conjure an alternate lynch out of the blue.

But if he's town then scum would just let this happen anyways soooooo

When you say defend, you mean there's no other obvious lynch candidate to push for?

If that's truly what's happening, then it really does point to a more inexperienced scum team. Though hard to believe Chris would sit back and not offer any kind of coaching or advice for them.

EDumey posted...

When you say defend, you mean there's no other obvious lynch candidate to push for?

Scum either won't act because he's town or can't act because there is absolutely no one else to push. The only one with any chance of saving Sheep was Sheep and Lea indicated a pretty obvious turning point on him.

How does one steer away from a Scum Sheep, here? A special could happen but there's so much inertia that to do so would be crucifying, unless specifically it was a different member of Scum swerved to.

I'm really sorry for the delay, had a busy day. Will be here for the last three hours before deadline. Catching up now, will start with a JC iso.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

How does one steer away from a Scum Sheep, here? A special could happen but there's so much inertia that to do so would be crucifying, unless specifically it was a different member of Scum swerved to.

That's the issue. Basically everything else in the day is "Resolved" and has been for quite a long time now. Now it's just stagnant because no one can think of anything else to do and we have things like meow scans which might actually have been accurate

Lynched mafia D1.
If we exchanged a mislynch target for a non-mislynch target NK, then that's good too.

We're in a good spot

You could reconsider the game from the perspective of me being Town. You'll likely be doing it in three hours anyway, so I'm saving you some time and giving you something to do!

Thoughts on JC from topics one and two: I actually... kinda like him? Or at least think his posts feel pretty genuine - the weird argumentative spat with Crescent in topic 1 (#197) feels like the sort of thing Town who doesn't have much time to spend on the game would have stick in their head when making a scan, and the more I think about it the more I kinda like his response to his list being questioned? I don't think he overexplained those reads in the way Scum tends to feel the need to, and the only thing that makes me feel kinda iffy is the MZero one. Even then though, I know how it feels to have a bunch of reads where the best reasoning you can place on a lot of them is "gut" and it seems to be coming from that angle, to me?

I'm too lazy to back and find why Sheep is ISOing me but I do think it's kind of strange that I'm his choice given that a big part of why the focus is stuck on him is because I'm potentially cleared/confirmed if Ulti's telling the truth.

If you're under the gun and trying to create an alternate lynch path, an ISO as opposed to like general review and figuring out the game state seems like the wrong tool, especially given that I'm likely not a lynch candidate?

Kinda seems like he's just trying to offer content for the sake of content - maybe he'll make some reads on other people based off my ISO - but at a glance it seems like a way to just avoid giving more thoughts/reads on the broader game so we can't read into them when he flips scum.

Where is BCT on everyone's POE?

Think he is like 4th in my list of POE

I actually like Ultis list a bit.

Id clear JC if Crescent-Moon was infact shot at but no way to tell 100% if ulti is infact a BP Doctor

EDumey posted...

Ulti I hate to engage in this kind of WIFOM argument, but do you really think I as scum would sit here and just let a scum buddy get lynched without aggressively pushing for another option? It's not like scum Sheep dying gives me any kind of town cred.

this is certainly a post

I'm rereading you because I don't see where the Scum options are if you are not scum, JC. If you are not scum, I also need to rethink this whole game. I've gone through your whole game and have honestly come to the conclusion you are not. I'm gonna look through every mention of you instead because I think there's probably more to be gleaned from that? If you're Town, you're basically the easiest mislynch (assuming MZero is Scum which I am not entirely sure of) in the game after me, so I think it might get me somewhere more useful.

I was also kinda hoping there would be a little more to sink my teeth into than I thought, but alas. Nothing sticks out as bad, but from tone I'm feeling pretty good tbh? It just feels like Town that can't be around a lot. This is concerning - mostly because I think there's fuck all other places I'm looking for Scum that are obvious - Ctes feels legit, and I hardtownread Wall, so we're left with... Isquen and Dumey?

Nah. I'm not buying a three man scumteam. I'm also straight not ever buying Crescent, Lea or Sultan as Scum right now, and I really don't think Ulti is Scum this game either? Which kinda leaves me wondering a little more on Han and BCT right now? I mostly just want BCT to be more present, because his vote is definitely the worst on Chris (not that any are bad in the slightest) - I don't remember for sure, but I feel like he had a far larger presence when I saw his Town games? Regardless, he needs more content and I think that'll reveal his alignment.

That said, honestly, of all of the people that voted Chris I think I'm feeling the worst about Han? I feel like a dickhead for even saying this and I know I've butted heads with him a lot this game, and I really like the dude (which makes it feel more dickish). That said... he just doesn't feel right. I can't explain it in the slightest and I wish I could, I'm going to try and reread and pinpoint it again because I've felt this all game, but if you take anything from my flip, I'd like it to be that y'all should look harder at Han. He is possibly the most eminently capable of lynching Scum Chris and regardless of what happens this game, he can't be allowed to go free of suspicion going forwards. If it makes y'all wanna kill me more, whatever, I don't think I'm likely to find a silver bullet to save myself but I think I need to get that out there. If only because I'll absolutely fuckin kick myself if I get into the dead chat and it turns out I was right on it and didn't make it eminently clear. Please just consider it and don't give him a free pass - and please try and focus on people other than like, MZero and Dumey tomorrow. I'm a lot to blame for today stagnating and I coulda done more (a lot of it is schedule enforced but I can always do better), but our advantage is absolutely boned if we have another day like this.

To elocute a bit more on the matter with a stray thought: I think every single person I remember that Han has majorly suspected this game is either Town or likely Town, except for his very late vote on Chris (which I would like to think about a lil more regarding the whole momentum thing - was Han's best option to vote Chris there considering the way things were swinging?). Scum Han is very hesitant to bus and invite pressure on Scummates who might not be able to cope with it to my memory, but is also willing to go in on them when necessary (I'm thinking of his behaviour in Kingmaker Mafia, and later his feuding with Lopen when he thought it was necessary). If any player in this game is capable of the level of theatre that Han and Chris woulda had to engage in yesterday, to be teammates, it's them.

Jeez, it's fuckin' dead here. I wish I coulda been round more a bit earlier.

I'm halfway through my JC iso (my god is he mentioned a lot more than he speaks). Going down lots of different routes and thinking on whether my Han case is good (I am seeing what I feel is evidence for it but want to consider it a lil more before dumping it out there because I would be rather irritated if I make a massive post as I'm dying and it's just entirely incorrect). Nobody sticks out to me, regarding JC, although I really, really like Lea's defence of him? #156, topic 3. Something about it makes me feel warm and fuzzy and I am sorry for suspecting you yesterday Lea.

I'm here if you got any questions for me sheep

I don't have anything in particular aimed at you, Sultan but here's where I'm standing:

I think Scum is probably in MZero/Dumey/Han/BCT. To what extent do you agree, if I flip Town here?

I mentioned yesterday what the chances of Chris and Han acting all that was and I think this might be the first perhaps second response to it lol.

Im around too sheep

If you flip town, then yes, that seems quite likely.

Though Wall would still be in mine as well. I have enough respect for what I've seen from him to think he could be scum despite being "new" and literally ever player accepting him as town is a bit worrying. I would not go that route first, but he's definitely still in my PoE.

I mostly discounted the possibility tbh Ctes, because I thought the vote was weird and I had just been aggy with Han for no apparent reason yesterday. It's something I'm considering in a lot more detail now.

Also, this is a kinda dumb thing but I would genuinely like scum to pass this onto Chris? I've only just started rereading old stuff in full and stumbled upon a few of his posts early on in the game. It's pretty obvious he saw I wasn't doing great 24 hours into the game and decided to lay off me for a bit. He really didn't have to do that, he had very valid reasons for voting me even if he was Town, and I think he might have literally just done it because he felt bad and not because it was beneficial for him, and it even ended up backfiring to some extent with his lynch over me being an easy one. I don't know for sure, but I don't think Chris of many years back woulda done something like that if it was actively detrimental to him. But it got my head screwed on enough to play the damn game even if this has generally been a dire performance and it was probably a play that was bad for him. So yeah, thank you, I appreciate it a lot. You're a good dude.

wallmasterz posted...

Im around too sheep

I'm happy for everyone to answer the same question tbh, I think it's the best place for y'all to start when I die?

ctesjbuvf posted...

If you flip town, then yes, that seems quite likely.

Though Wall would still be in mine as well. I have enough respect for what I've seen from him to think he could be scum despite being "new" and literally ever player accepting him as town is a bit worrying. I would not go that route first, but he's definitely still in my PoE.

I understand him being in the PoE, but why is it the case that you respect him specifically enough to be in PoE, but think the others on the Chris lynch are a step too far? I don't necessarily disagree but am curious.

I thought the likeliest possible scum theater (by a fair margin) was with Ulti, though I do remember exchanges between Chris and Han notably making me feel nothing, as I'd already stated yesterday. With Ulti being near-certain town now Han would be my first candidate for bus vote on Chris if it really came down to it.

But anyways it's been dead because the day went stagnant for like 20 hours because you weren't doing anything.

ctesjbuvf posted...

If you flip town, then yes, that seems quite likely.

Though Wall would still be in mine as well. I have enough respect for what I've seen from him to think he could be scum despite being "new" and literally ever player accepting him as town is a bit worrying. I would not go that route first, but he's definitely still in my PoE.

I appreciate the respect but while I havent been a target of serious scrutiny yet, I wouldnt say everyone is accepting me as town by any means. Maybe Im mistaken but when everyone included me in their veto list for Chris exercise, I assumed I was just being included because Im the new guy and it was d1. I think that might be skewing perception a bit.

at minimum, crescent and isquen are definitely skeptical of me