Board 8 > 90s Nickelodeon Mafia Topic 6 The Orange VHS

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The watch list

1.Sheep
2.Ulti
3.kirby
4. BlueCrystalTear
5. Sbell
6. Lea

Votals so Sick!
[2] BCT- Lea, Kirby
[1] Kirby (Bct), Bct
[1] Lean- Ulti

Sheep007 posted...

If Lea is scum, wouldn't that just mean scum has two ways to fuck with your scans? I'm not sure what you're getting at with this.

if Lea is scum then who is to say she's untargetable at all.

Definitely starting to that Lea and Kirby are scum together, though I don't know if there's one or two left. I think that if one's scum, so is the other.

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The change is because I'm in the conversation for a lynch now, where I wasn't before. I thought I'd done enough to vouch for myself. And now you're just theorizing things that didn't actually happen.

Excuse me for getting emotional in a game like this.

Wake me when BCT flips.

And yet you're calling me the lazy one.

Well, I was gonna post something short and quippy about how Lea's not gonna claim untargetable as not-untargetable scum but I think her first post in this topic just about covers it. Please, Ulti, explain to me why exactly a scum roleblocker fakeclaims a role that can be tested through scanning on the first post of the game? Lea was open wolfing for weeks last game and from my (admittedly limited) read of her style, I just don't think she's the sorta person to pull a fuckin dumb, high risk medium reward gambit so early. Especially given her previous D1.

Also, NL is not a good option today. We'll just get SBell killed a day earlier and have one less confirmed town to rely on the reads of. There is zero point.

I, for one, am glad to rule out the scumteam of SBell and Ulti. Was real worried that might be a curveball.

After no lynch:

1.Sheep
2.Ulti
3.kirby
4. BlueCrystalTear
5. Lea

What's the next play? it's not wise.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Furthermore, if there is any doubt here and people think there might be two left, the play is to no lynch.

Scum will just murder Sbell and then we're back to square one.

No lynch is a bad idea in this specific context.

Also,

BlueCrystalTear posted...

You never did answer my question about if you have a life or not, so I'm presuming you do not.

This is just rude.

In any case, Lea further solidifies her status as a townie with her excellent analysis (though maybe I'm biased because I agree with that, but that's saying something given the posts throughout this day!)

And Sheep's demeanor certainly reminds me of why I preferred lynching BCT over him. Though if BCT flips scum and the game goes on... honestly, I'd be on the fence between Sheep and Ulti on who could be the remaining scum. But Ulti has the scan to his name, and, well, he's certainly behaving like standard Ulti right now. Sheep remains as the PoE scum if BCT is also scum, assuming five scum.

I can admit I was wrong about leaning town for Lea. Her post there is consistent with Ulti's theories.

A no lynch does seem wasteful, since SBell is the only one who in no shape or form can be scum. All that does is buy us more time. If we need that time, then great. But we still have like 31 hours left. That's plenty of time to sort this out... despite it being a holiday weekend.

Kirby321 posted...

This is just rude.

No ruder than you presuming I should put all my energy into a game of Mafia by chastising my lack of activity when I was busy with something that had come up.

But let's just drop that then, yeah?

I'll lay out my current position and thoughts in case they weren't clear.

I'm still paranoid that there could be five scum. I am hoping that it's simply BCT alone and I'm wrong? But that D1 EoD keeps sticking in my head and making me unsure he's Scum, and I'm even more unsure he's the only one. I just don't see how a new scum player has type of energy if their entire team has just kinda died around them and they're staring at certain defeat. I don't know him well enough to say that for certain, though, and I'd like Ulti's input on it. This is in turn making me worried that his weird aggression towards Kirby is obfuscating something and the game is more complex than it looks.

I've liked Kirby this game. Not as much as most other players, but a lot of his interactions with scum players are odd if scum/scum and it looks a hell of a lot like they were trying to set him up for a mislynch, but overestimated how reasonable his play was. I currently think he's the second most likely to be scum, but mostly just through PoE. I don't think what BCT and Kirby are doing right now is distancing, though, mostly because if they're both scum they could just focus down me (or even just lynch BCT) and win quickly.

I've felt good about Lea since D1. The only reason she's even above Ulti is because the dude has two scans, and I still don't know for sure who I'd pick if I had to choose between the two as scum. I have been over this a multitude of times and unless someone can explain her D1 behaviour I don't think she can even be in consideration for lynch today.

Ulti is currently making me paranoid. I really liked him in the first half of this game, but I am getting a mild sinking feeling that I should be listening to Hangut and I might get lampooned postgame for being a dumbass. This feeling may have been triggered by the positively rancid takes he's come out with today. I'm not quite in the camp where I think "if he's godfather then oh well we lose" cause honestly I just hate losing and it being to a broken role wouldn't make it feel better. That said, the high specificity of the role makes me feel a bit more chill - he'd basically need to be a flavour cop immune ninja. Which actually isn't that bizarre a role if I think about it as a generic scan-immune role, but I seriously doubt there's a ninja given Plum's flip, so unless we kill someone else first and they flip roleblocker (because otherwise he's flavour cop immune ninja roleblocker which is a bridge too far setup-wise for even my conspiracy brain) I ain't touching that.

I'm currently good with lynching BCT, because pretty much the only other possibility if he's not scum is Lea/Kirby, one of them with Ulti, or solo scum. Lea/Ulti sounds fuckin weird given he's just decided to go after her rather than biting the bullet and voting BCT or me, so I'm ruling that out. Kirby/Ulti isn't impossible, but DYL's D2 looks even more nonsensical if that's the case.

This has primarily been a trying to logic stuff out post because I am not getting a ton of time to think about the game outside of big but sparse blocks. I apologise if it's hard to parse because holy fuck I'm turning into Kirby but worse with these walls. I'm hoping that going more plys into this game has just been a sweet waste of time.

Ulti. Say we lynch Lea and she does flip town. What has Kirby done that makes him look worse than BCT?

Also, I don't generally like to post stuff that's specifically in my own defense and prefer proving my alignment through my own play. That said, I feel like I shoulda probably picked up on this thing sooner and murdered Death to hell and back, which made me cackle and want to share. I guess I was still kinda working with the assumption there was a remote universe in which Plum could be Town before Death was scanned, though.

Go back to when I vote Plum D1. He slips that he was fabricating a reason to vote me over ScumDeath. Topic 1 and #325-#337.

it might be the brain breaking headache I'm experiencing right now, but I'll put my eggs in ultis basket.

##vote: Lea

I am confident it's only 1 left. that means we have 2 lynches and unfortunately with this much clout, we can't leave this claim to end game regardless.

A scum role that can mislead my tracks and a town role with the sole purpose of being unable to be tracked while scum has a nightly roleblocker... it's too much fucking with limited town powers. (lie detector and mayor are shit powers that do not count).

Let's do it.

##unvote

havingthoughts.. hold please.

Town:
Mayor - 50/50 Helps Hurts Town
Lie Detector - 1 instant Town Clear
Doctor - Protection
Back Up Doctor - Protection
Thief - Scanning
Tracker - Scanning

Scum:
Redirector
Roleblocker
Jack W/ extra kill and screw with tracker abilities
Power Cop.

Town Untargetable. Fucks with thief, tracker, Protection, could she be lie detected? And has negative effects on scums actions as well.
Town has a role that directly prevents a lynch from happening, which can make the untargetable unkillable when the only way for scum to kill them is the lynch. too punishing on scum.

Aight, just to get some consensus on what's happened so far if everyone insists on role meta:

Canceled
LD1 - Han - Town Doctor (AAAHH!!! Real Monsters)
KN1 - MZero - Town Mayor (Hey Arnold!)
KN1 - changmas - Town Lie Detector (Doug)
LD2 - Dark Young Link - Scum Redirector (Rocket Power)
LD3 - masterplum - Scum Evil Inventor (The Adventures of Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius)
KN3 - IfGodCouldDie - Town Thief/Flavor Cop (Legends of the Hidden Temple)
LD4 - TidusOfTheX - Town Vanilla (Clarissa Explains It All)
KN4 - red13n - Town Vanilla/Secret Back-up (The Angry Beavers)
LD5 - htaeD - Scum Vanilla Cop (The Amanda Show)
KN5 - PunishedBen - Town Vanilla (Rocko's Modern Life)

Alive

• Sheep - Town Vanilla (The Ren & Stimpy Show)
• Ulti - Town Vanilla (All That) [Flavor scanned by IGCD, did not move N1]
• Kirby - Town Vanilla (KaBLaM!)
• BlueCrystalTear - Town Vanilla (Figure It Out)
• Sbell - Town Tracker (Rugrats)
• Lea - Town Untargetable/Commuter (Are You Afraid of the Dark?)

You know, I wonder if Red could have inherited Lea's Untargetable if she was lynched. Does that count as a power role?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Where are you getting those jack powers from?

To quote Sultan:

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

As an evil inventor you can use the ability to be a boy genius to create chaos! Each Night can send one of these; one use toxic goo (kills anyone who visits that person [if more then 1 visit it will kill whoever sent in their action pm first] if no one visits that player that player dies effectively a extra kill), noise maker (make it look like the person moved), one use motion sensor( tells everyone if that player moved) your target does not know they have been gifted these inventions so use them wisely.

Honestly, I don't think I'd put much stock into the whole "Chris reviewed this setup, right?" stuff. I thought Chris doesn't like lying to players? Making Red a secret Back-up doesn't strike me as something he would approve.

UltimaterializerX posted...

This game and this setup can literally only work if Lea or Stu is the roleblocker, and I am not entertaining the latter. I also very much trust my town reads.

I mean just to argue it for fun. that means scum sbell outted plum and town cleared Ben officially to town confirm himself. SBalls more like it.

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Please explain your logic here. Kirby explaining the imbalance is meta stuff that has nothing to do with his alignment; he could certainly be doing this as scum to trick us into thinking he's town.

Mayor is as much of a meme role as Gladiator is. Busted in the right hands, outright terrible in the wrong hands, but otherwise isn't a huge loss if they end up dead without using their powers.

Backup inheriting Untargetable/Commuter is the real concern to the role balance, if you're gonna make that argument.

Also Tracker is not better than Cop wtf
Cop confirms scum or (at worst) confirms town
Tracker reveals a power role (or potential kill) or (at worst) reveals that someone didn't move, regardless of what their power actually is

IGCD's version of Cop was balanced out by having to decipher the clues from his scan, or otherwise reveal himself to get his target to claim flavor. It's either on-par or worse than standard Cop.

But that's getting too focused in the details. Scum had Redirector and Jack and scanner that checks if people are vanilla or not. The opposing team has some rather esoteric roles that make this setup hard to analyze properly in terms of balance.

To recap, we have town power roles:

• Doctor
• Secret Back-up
• Mayor
• Lie Detector
• Flavor-ish Cop
• Tracker
• Untargetable/Commuter
• Supposedly 6 vanillas

And scum has:

• Redirector
• Jack (extra kill, tracking framer, motion sensor)
• Vanilla Cop

Hey, BCT, what are your thoughts on Sheep?

Also, nobody has provided any evidence of Lea's interactions with DYL, Plum, and Death that suggests she was scumbuddies with them.

We can role meta all we want, but I want some solid evidence for a change.

Kirby321 posted...

To recap, we have town power roles:
Doctor
Secret Back-up
Mayor
Lie Detector
Flavor-ish Cop
Tracker
Untargetable/Commuter
Supposedly 6 vanillas
And scum has:
Redirector
Jack (extra kill, tracking framer, motion sensor)
Vanilla Cop

You cannot ignore scum roleblocker.
With 7 town powers and 4 scum powers that leaves 5 vanillas. (or 4 vanillas And a 5th scum (not happening))

Kirby321 posted...

Hey, BCT, what are your thoughts on Sheep?

Sheep is only a suspect because there are just 6 of us left and there's nothing that can eliminate him.

My gut is telling me that if there are two scum, they probably come from you, Lea, and Sheep. If it's just one left, throw Ulti in there. I don't see Ulti as being potentially partnered with anyone unless him not being on the same page is an act. I don't really know what to look for to discern that. Got any pointers?

UltimaterializerX posted...

BCT I am concerned.

About what specifically?

You said you could be talked into lynching me. I am concerned.

The only scum role you could ever be is a godfather of some sort, and you're not the only person who could be, so... I'd say it's unlikely, personally. But I can't fully rule out the possibility. That is all I am saying.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Sheep is only a suspect because there are just 6 of us left and there's nothing that can eliminate him.

My gut is telling me that if there are two scum, they probably come from you, Lea, and Sheep. If it's just one left, throw Ulti in there. I don't see Ulti as being potentially partnered with anyone unless him not being on the same page is an act. I don't really know what to look for to discern that. Got any pointers?

dafuq.

ulti did not move night 1. scum has an unflipped roleblocker.

Obellisk posted...

ulti did not move night 1. scum has an unflipped roleblocker.

...right. Then it couldn't be Ulti if it's just 1. Whoops.

Wasn't thinking straight. My bad.

Votals so coool
[2] BCT- Lea, Kirby
[1] Kirby (Bct), Bct
[1] Lea- Ulti,(Sbell)

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but those aren't the words of scum. those are the words of bad , very bad, green town.