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be heterosexual. Although as a group they are not especially active daters, they clearly prefer to date girls when they do date. Significantly, unlike other boys, their dating motives are markedly different. For these boys, being on a date with a girl is a chance to spend time with a girl in a way not generally allowed under other circumstances. Dating serves two purposes for these boys. The first is social, as it gives them the all-important appearance of being normal. The second is therapeutic. Being close to a girl's softness, and even her female smell, has a mitigating effect on gender expression deprivation anxiety. The fantasy is not to make love to her but to actually be her.

Ryuko_Chan posted...

and even her female smell

cornman smells like my mom when sweaty, what does it mean?

TeaMilk posted...

cornman smells like my mom when sweaty, what does it mean?

Well if Freud is to be believed, it means you want to fuck your mom.

But Freud thought *everything* meant you wanted to fuck your mom, so who knows.

Kim_Seong-a posted...

Well if Freud is to be believed, it means you want to fuck your mom.

But Freud thought *everything* meant you wanted to fuck your mom, so who knows.

Also he was a moron and a fraud. He was just famous.

Also most trans women are lesbians or bi lol where do they come up with this crap.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

Also he was a moron and a fraud. He was just famous.

Freud was the original Instagram influencer

Last two sentences couldn't have been written more creepily, lol

Was it Freud who figured out daddy issues?

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Last two sentences couldn't have been written more creepily, lol

Why is that creepy?

I can't disagree with this at all, if I'm being honest.

Like I was just thinking that part of why I'm such a cuddler comes from the lack of touch during my important developmental years. Yeah, my mom hugged me a bunch. But like. Watching cis girls my age hugging and holding hands and being close and stuff, and not having that during that time period caused some serious damage to my self esteem even if I didn't realize it at the time. And as a result, it created a need that grew and resulted in a habit that dictates I can at times compulsively need physical touch or I feel unwell.

gunplagirl posted...

I can't disagree with this at all, if I'm being honest.

Like I was just thinking that part of why I'm such a cuddler comes from the lack of touch during my important developmental years. Yeah, my mom hugged me a bunch. But like. Watching cis girls my age hugging and holding hands and being close and stuff, and not having that during that time period caused some serious damage to my self esteem even if I didn't realize it at the time. And as a result, it created a need that grew and resulted in a habit that dictates I can at times compulsively need physical touch or I feel unwell.

i 100% know what you mean, unfortunately i don't have anyone to get it from ATM...

Ryuko_Chan posted...

i 100% know what you mean, unfortunately i don't have anyone to get it from ATM...

The fact there's no trans women getting to adulthood without trauma of some kind is a condemnation of our society.

gunplagirl posted...

The fact there's no trans women getting to adulthood without trauma of some kind is a condemnation of our society.

CEmen be like: well maybe trans women just have a low luck stat, dont be so quick to point fingers before all the facts come out

If you would like a real perspective, I both wanted to be the woman and to get with women. Some women would inspire jealousy, others attraction, many both (oooh boy, feeling seemingly-sourceless jealousy is toxic in any social interaction). But there's a third thing: you're a woman and want to be seen as a woman and interact with women like a woman does, even if you don't understand that. But you look like a man and sound like a man, and most* women react accordingly, which would always make me angry for reasons I couldn't understand.
So, yeah, to sum it up: I wanted to be a woman and was jealous of women, I wanted to have sex with women, and I wanted to be girlfriends with them, and I didn't understand any of that until I acknowledged to myself I was trans i.e. not a man but a woman.
*Some women can feel it though, even though they probably don't understand it. Few women I came out to were very surprised, and one former coworker told me she always felt a certain kind of way about me. Of course, presenting as a man, I pursued straight women. Some seemed genuinely caught off-guard that I found them attractive: I explain this now as them feeling my feminine energy and subconsciously assuming I wasn't a potential boyfriend.
Which, of course....was 100% correct.

ElatedVenusaur posted...

If you would like a real perspective, I both wanted to be the woman and to get with women. Some women would inspire jealousy, others attraction, many both (oooh boy, feeling seemingly-sourceless jealousy is toxic in any social interaction). But there's a third thing: you're a woman and want to be seen as a woman and interact with women like a woman does, even if you don't understand that. But you look like a man and sound like a man, and most* women react accordingly, which would always make me angry for reasons I couldn't understand.
So, yeah, to sum it up: I wanted to be a woman and was jealous of women, I wanted to have sex with women, and I wanted to be girlfriends with them, and I didn't understand any of that until I acknowledged to myself I was trans i.e. not a man but a woman.
*Some women can feel it though, even though they probably don't understand it. Few women I came out to were very surprised, and one former coworker told me she always felt a certain kind of way about me. Of course, presenting as a man, I pursued straight women. Some seemed genuinely caught off-guard that I found them attractive: I explain this now as them feeling my feminine energy and subconsciously assuming I wasn't a potential boyfriend.
Which, of course....was 100% correct.

yeah i feel exactly the same way as everything u just said except i didnt want to have sex with them, i think i might be asexual or something, but idk, cuz i have like submissive fantasies and stuff lol. its all so confusing

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

Last two sentences couldn't have been written more creepily, lol

The second to last sentence confused me a bit, but the last sentence is true for me. I'm transgender, but I'm not very open about it on this forum. I feel I differ in mindset to the others like me here, which is why I don't express it. I've felt the way I do for decades, though I wasn't really made aware of it until the mid-00's.

I had a lot of female influences growing up, and my best friends growing up as a kid were always girls... and eventually I started picking female characters in games as early as Goldeneye on the N64. It just felt right to me, though I didn't understand why and my friends eventually just stopped questioning me about it and accepted it over time. Interestingly enough... my guy friends subconsciously treated me like a woman, comforting me emotionally and defending me, or "saving" me from things all the time. And when I started to game online, if I didn't reveal my physical sex, then people would assume I was a girl because of the way I talked/expressed myself. I came off feminine to people, and I really liked that. In some communities I was a part of in the past, people would just use she/her for me because in their mind, I was a woman to them.

Anyway... I rambled, but a lot of what was said in the OP is true for me because I date women to "fit" in... but deep down, I look at my girlfriend (past and present) and have a desire to be her. I'm not homosexual, so it doesn't feel right, for me, to date a man, even though I feel that I'm a woman trapped in a male body and that a male personality would be more compatible for me, romantically. It's difficult to describe to someone without it confusing anyone.

I've thought about transitioning... but that wouldn't do it for me because it's not a 100% transition from male to female. It's difficult to say that here because I know others will flame me or label me a "bigot", but the kind of transition I want is my mind/consciousness to be transplanted into a true, physical female body. We can't do that with the technology of today, so I live my true self using other means.

to each their own
i think hrt is better than nothing myself

@kinetika_ I'm not super knowledgeable on this kind of thing, but that seems like a bold, honest admission, and I respect it. This board can be so annoying about trying to interpret things in the worst possible manner.

I think you vastly underrate the sheer power of hormones, kinetika. Ive been on them just short of 9 months, and I can assure, its been incredible. Never before have I felt myself. Im happy as a clam and I have breasts and thick thighs and silky skin. Im out and I relate to women (and they relate to me) like never before. Like, you just vibe with other women, its some sorcery. Sex hormones are, like, 90+% of it.

Condemning yourself to being lesser because you can never have your perfect female body is terribly unwise. 99+% of cis women never have their perfect female body!
Edit: Like this song makes all of the sense to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvleI-_qivA&list=RDTvleI-_qivA

TeaMilk posted...

cornman smells like my mom when sweaty, what does it mean?

I've heard that people who eat a lot of garlic tend to smell like garlic when they sweat.