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Zikten
12/13/21 9:06:42 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere?wprov=sfla1

Theoretical structure built surrounding a star, by a advanced civilization to use full energy output of said star

Its one thing that SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) looks for to try to find evidence of alien civilizations

According to the theory, at a certain level of a civilization, eventually they would need to build this to power themselves properly

Imafine if tomorrow's breaking news was that they detected one
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RedLuigi
12/13/21 9:17:35 PM
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Theyd ponder it for awhile

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itachi15243
12/13/21 9:19:56 PM
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I remember the last time they thought they found one.

I feel like CE is less believing in aliens than ever

I'd probably assume it false until something major or whatever

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Zikten
12/13/21 9:26:33 PM
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that garth guy in the other topic about not believing in aliens blocked me. Because I tried to explain the difference between aliens and UFOs. I'm wondering if English is not his first language
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sktgamer_13dude
12/13/21 9:26:51 PM
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Isnt the closest star still super far away?

How would one exactly transfer that energy efficiently that far away?

edit: I mean this more for whatever civilization using said sphere. Understand that finding one means more important things then lets try to steal their energy lol

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Zikten
12/13/21 9:27:43 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Isnt the closest star still super far away?

How would one exactly transfer that energy efficiently that far away?

you mean to their home? They probably have ways to collect the energy and transport it in batteries to their planet
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The Popo
12/13/21 9:28:46 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Isnt the closest star still super far away?

How would one exactly transfer that energy efficiently that far away?

The purpose of finding one would be as a means of detecting intelligent life. Not siphoning their energy.


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PerseusRad
12/13/21 9:29:16 PM
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they would probably look up what a dyson sphere is

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sktgamer_13dude
12/13/21 9:31:20 PM
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The Popo posted...


The purpose of finding one would be as a means of detecting intelligent life. Not siphoning their energy.


I meant like for the civilization using it.

Like would they just mass space-semi truck batteries there constantly or something?

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Alteres
12/13/21 9:31:37 PM
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How the hell would you detect one?

The entire point is to block all emissions.

Anyway, most people wouldnt know what the hell it was and would just go oh, really?.

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thronedfire2
12/13/21 9:32:05 PM
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would we even be able to tell it's a star, or would it just look like a giant planet of solid metal?

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Njolk
12/13/21 9:33:00 PM
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We thought flight was impossible til 120 years ago

We have no clue what tech aliens use

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12/13/21 9:33:17 PM
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I would be disappointed in myself. I thought I hid it better.

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itachi15243
12/13/21 9:33:53 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Isnt the closest star still super far away?

How would one exactly transfer that energy efficiently that far away?

Any form of life that advanced would probably have their whole solar system conquered and technology that people might not even have theorized yet.

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Zikten
12/13/21 9:34:01 PM
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Alteres posted...
How the hell would you detect one?

The entire point is to block all emissions.

Anyway, most people wouldnt know what the hell it was and would just go oh, really?.

They look for them by studying the light emitted by stars. If a dyson sphere existed, the star would look different in our telescopes. The light would be dimmer than normal. Or something like that. I don't know for sure the exact specifics, but I know they believe they can notice the difference if they ever find one
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Xavier_On_High
12/13/21 9:34:35 PM
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America would try to liberate that Dyson sphere from them alien folks.

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Robot2600
12/13/21 9:35:12 PM
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You would use a network of satellites to beam the energy via radio waves or lasers to where you needed it.

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The Popo
12/13/21 9:35:18 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
I meant like for the civilization using it.

Like would they just mass space-semi truck batteries there constantly or something?

Id imagine that a civilization that complex would have a means of transmitting the power directly to their planet. No physical transfer of energy would be necessary.

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Robot2600
12/13/21 9:36:38 PM
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They also look for Dyson Swarms, and other structures. You don't need an entire sphere around a star until eventually. You could start with a ring and keep adding rings until you get a sphere.

Or use a swarm of collectors that you would just keep increasing the number of as centuries passed.

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Flannel_Ninja
12/13/21 9:37:05 PM
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Claims of "fake news," conspiracies, etc.

Those who accept the possibility that we're not alone in the universe might be compelled to abandon any existing prejudices and band together as the realization finally hits them that humanity may have to work together to defend its position in the cosmos. One can hope.

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Medussa
12/13/21 9:39:03 PM
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or you just abandon the planet and live on the surface of the sphere. (or, more likely, ring. as true dyson spheres have some issues with physics as we know it at the moment.)

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Alteres
12/13/21 9:39:33 PM
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Zikten posted...
They look for them by studying the light emitted by stars. If a dyson sphere existed, the star would look different in our telescopes. The light would be dimmer than normal. Or something like that. I don't know for sure the exact specifics, but I know they believe they can notice the difference if they ever find one
That would be a dyson cloud, an actual Dyson sphere would not be emitting light. They would have to look for evidence of a gravitational system with a primary that was not emitting in the visible spectrum.

...but anyway.

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Medussa
12/13/21 9:40:52 PM
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Alteres posted...
That would be a dyson cloud, an actual Dyson sphere would not be emitting light. They would have to look for evidence of a gravitational system with a primary that was not emitting in the visible spectrum.

...but anyway.

there would probably be a little bit of waste heat through the shell, but it would likely be too little to pick up from any meaningful stellar distances

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Xavier_On_High
12/13/21 9:42:51 PM
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People are discounting the idea that the Dyson sphere civilisation may leave gaps in the Dyson sphere specifically so that other species can find them.

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CommonGrackle
12/13/21 9:44:49 PM
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how would you transfer the energy? you can't just beam it somewhere without someone maybe running into the beam and incinerating themselves.
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The Popo
12/13/21 9:47:17 PM
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CommonGrackle posted...
how would you transfer the energy? you can't just beam it somewhere without someone maybe running into the beam and incinerating themselves.

By a means beyond our current understanding.

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Zikten
12/13/21 9:49:04 PM
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or maybe they simply have designated "lanes" from the star to the planet, and everyone knows about them and stays out of the way
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CommonGrackle
12/13/21 9:49:13 PM
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ghosts, that's how
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Xavier_On_High
12/13/21 9:49:21 PM
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CommonGrackle posted...
how would you transfer the energy? you can't just beam it somewhere without someone maybe running into the beam and incinerating themselves.

Nah, you just have a diffuse beam directed at a massive collector, so that the energy directed at, say, 1m/sq is low, but across the whole collector it's in the gigawatt range or whatever.

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itachi15243
12/13/21 9:50:02 PM
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CommonGrackle posted...
how would you transfer the energy? you can't just beam it somewhere without someone maybe running into the beam and incinerating themselves.

You don't know that

You're not a physicist from the future.

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PoundGarden
12/13/21 9:58:08 PM
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CommonGrackle posted...
how would you transfer the energy? you can't just beam it somewhere without someone maybe running into the beam and incinerating themselves.

Space Jesus

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Suikoden420
12/13/21 10:14:35 PM
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Can vacuum hard to reach places? I hate moving everything around just to clean

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monkmith
12/13/21 10:18:18 PM
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Alteres posted...
That would be a dyson cloud, an actual Dyson sphere would not be emitting light. They would have to look for evidence of a gravitational system with a primary that was not emitting in the visible spectrum.

...but anyway.
wouldn't a dyson sphere be functionally impossible anyway? i mean, even if it was possible there's pretty much no instance where it wouldn't make more sense to use a swarm of satellites as an alternative.

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jumi
12/13/21 11:27:54 PM
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Xavier_On_High posted...
America would try to liberate that Dyson sphere from them alien folks.

Only if it has oil.

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itachi15243
12/13/21 11:35:52 PM
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monkmith posted...
wouldn't a dyson sphere be functionally impossible anyway? i mean, even if it was possible there's pretty much no instance where it wouldn't make more sense to use a swarm of satellites as an alternative.

By our current thinking it would be impossible. It might make sense as technology progresses though. I don't think it's just the light energy though, iirc a true Dyson sphere takes in all energy admitted by a star. Not just solar, everything.

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Back_Stabbath
12/14/21 12:05:00 AM
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dyson sphere program is a neat little factory management game. gotta constantly replace the satellites and panels that you send up since the stars just melt them eventually lol. can make some pretty cool looking configs

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/1/AAVhf4AACsaF.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/8/2/AAVhf4AACsaG.jpg

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HA4e
12/14/21 12:11:02 AM
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PerseusRad posted...
they would probably look up what a dyson sphere is


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Medussa
12/14/21 12:18:34 AM
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Medussa posted...
there would probably be a little bit of waste heat through the shell, but it would likely be too little to pick up from any meaningful stellar distances

thinking about this for the last hour... i think i take it back. wouldn't all the energy have to make it out of the shell eventually, else the interior would just keep getting hotter. so, whatever the output of the star, would just be dispersed over the surface area of the shell (without some other dedicated release mechanism). i'd imagine that math is doable, but it's beyond my knowledge.

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Tyranthraxus
12/14/21 12:19:56 AM
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We are fucked if there's a Dyson sphere in visible range

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Zikten
12/14/21 12:21:12 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
We are fucked if there's a Dyson sphere in visible range

Only if it's builders are malevolent
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monkmith
12/14/21 8:09:54 AM
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Zikten posted...
Only if it's builders are malevolent
if they've built a full sphere and haven't already contacted us with von neumann probes then there's a really high chance they want nothing at all to do with other forms of intelligent life. hell maybe the sphere is a matrioshka brain and they've uploaded their species to a digital utopia...

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Kakapo
12/14/21 8:10:43 AM
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Zikten posted...
that garth guy in the other topic about not believing in aliens blocked me. Because I tried to explain the difference between aliens and UFOs. I'm wondering if English is not his first language
Dont be too critical. Hes in a darkplace right now:

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Hornswoggled
12/14/21 8:18:29 AM
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A read a novel called The Time Ships, a sequel to the Time Machine, where super intelligent Morlocks from an alternate future have built a Dyson Sphere around the sun.
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Robot2600
12/14/21 10:56:14 AM
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Ringworld (and sequels) are the best books about dyson-like structures.

Eventually, advanced civilization will move beyond Dyson spheres. Ideally, for example, you want artificial suns because suns do not last forever.

People are getting too hung up on the idea that the sphere is 100% a sphere, as well as the means of energy transfer. Like I said, beaming energy isn't even a technical problem, we can already do things like that.

Remember that even a world like Star Trek, there aren't really Dyson spheres.

If you can travel faster than light, you don't need to build Dyson spheres at all, you can just spread out.

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masterpug53
12/14/21 11:10:19 AM
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How does this theory account for the mind-boggling vast amount of resources that would be necessary to build something on this scale?

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Robot2600
12/14/21 11:12:50 AM
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masterpug53 posted...
How does this theory account for the mind-boggling vast amount of resources that would be necessary to build something on this scale?

transmogrification: the ability to breakdown gas giants like Jupiter and turn the protons, neutrons, and electrons into whatever is needed

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Robot2600
12/14/21 11:13:57 AM
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how many times.... the star doesn't need to be 100% covered

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