Current Events > Uuuuuugh, I messed up my safety score. Just HAD to go for a drive

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So Tesla is slowly opening up the full self driving beta to more and more people. They released it for people with 100/100 safety scores and they're supposed to be releasing it for people with 99/100 tonight, I believe.

I had 99/100. Then I decided to go for a drive tonight for no real reason. I got off the highway and turned down a street I hadn't been on before. A car pulled out in front of me and I ended up getting dinged because of a forward collision warning and hard braking.

Eff

Now it's back at 98. I tried to drive a bunch more to get it back to 99, but I'm still at 98. So I'll have to drive a bunch this weekend to hopefully get it back up to 99. Freaking A.

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All that work just to have a robot car kill you.

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Great, now I have to worry about a "safety score." The world just keeps getting worse.

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Daddy Elon is so disappointed in you.

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Pepys Monster posted...

Great, now I have to worry about a "safety score." The world just keeps getting worse.

You don't have to opt in to the full self driving beta

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That car is controlling your life

That kind of sounds ridiculous honestly lol

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Will it let you take a nap or jerk off while your car drives you around?

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Fresh meme.

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Well, I'm getting the update right now any way. I'll take it

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Just had the car take me from my mom's house in Austin, TX to my house in San Antonio. A couple weird issues, but I reported them. Overall, really good.

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Weird issues such as what?

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Do you have to to drive with a "safety score" yo have a Tesla or can you opt in to that?

I've wanted a tesla before, but if my car is gonna bitch about my driving, and grade me, fuck that.

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Ilishe posted...

Weird issues such as what?

Around the corner from my mom's house, they recently changed the T intersection so that you have to approach the stop sign in order to turn right or left. They used to have a turning lane with a yield sign for that, but I think people were just blowing by those a lot so they got rid of them. As a part of that change, they added these white road bumps to force people to do a 90 degree turn. In the "T," I was heading west from the top right and turning left to go south. The car did a wide turn and went over the white road bumps on the southwest side of the intersection.

And then the car is supposed to automatically switch from the FSD beta on surface streets to normal navigate on autopilot when it gets on the highway. I think it was probably just because of a construction zone, but the car switched from the NOA visual to the FSD beta visual while on the highway. Didn't seem to affect the car's driving, though.

And then I stopped at a Starbucks on the way home. The car navigated to the area just fine, but to actually get to the Starbucks, it needed to turn left onto a street to get there. It got in the right turn lane, turned right, and essentially did a circle back around to the same street I needed to turn left on, then it turned left properly.

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Can you take online courses to have points added?

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Sounds like some nav issues.

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Why do you need to have a high safety score to get the self-driving? Shouldnt it be the other way around? Or is it that the car learns from the way you drive or something?

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itachi15243 posted...

Do you have to to drive with a "safety score" yo have a Tesla or can you opt in to that?

I've wanted a tesla before, but if my car is gonna bitch about my driving, and grade me, fuck that.

You only get graded on your driving if you opt into the FSD beta. The car itself doesn't complain about what you're doing outside of the normal safety warnings you would get. After you finish a drive the car sits idle for a while, it uploads your score and you would just see your overall safety score in the app for the day and for the length of time you have been opted into the beta.

If you have car insurance through Tesla (currently only available in California and Texas), they would use your safety score as a part of determining what your premium will be. I have State Farm for car insurance, though, so for me it's purely to qualify for the FSD beta.

If you don't care about getting the FSD beta and you don't have insurance through Tesla, then you wouldn't have your driving graded. Even if you're opted into the FSD beta, you wouldn't technically need to care about your safety score. You would just get the FSD beta update much later once they push it to cars with whatever score you have.

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Shablagoo posted...

Why do you need to have a high safety score to get the self-driving? Shouldnt it be the other way around? Or is it that the car learns from the way you drive or something?

Pretty sure they want safe drivers to test the full car autopilot so in case something goes crazy, theres a better chance its a good driver at the wheels instead of a bad driver.
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CableZL posted...

You only get graded on your driving if you opt into the FSD beta. The car itself doesn't complain about what you're doing outside of the normal safety warnings you would get. After you finish a drive the car sits idle for a while, it uploads your score and you would just see your overall safety score in the app for the day and for the length of time you have been opted into the beta.

If you have car insurance through Tesla (currently only available in California and Texas), they would use your safety score as a part of determining what your premium will be. I have State Farm for car insurance, though, so for me it's purely to qualify for the FSD beta.

If you don't care about getting the FSD beta and you don't have insurance through Tesla, then you wouldn't have your driving graded. Even if you're opted into the FSD beta, you wouldn't technically need to care about your safety score. You would just get the FSD beta update much later once they push it to cars with whatever score you have.

Not anywhere as bad as I thought, but kinda sketchy still imo. >.>

How bad does speeding look on one of these safety reports?

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Returning_CEmen posted...

Can you take online courses to have points added?

No, the only way to improve your score is to drive safely according to what it's grading you for and hope a weird incident doesn't happen on the road that forces you to brake hard. You're graded on:

• Early Collision Warnings per 1000 miles
• Forced Autopilot cancellations per 1000 miles (happens when you ignore the notices about keeping your hands on the wheel and applying a slight turning force)
• Hard braking (> 0.3G)
• Unsafe following distance
• Aggressive turning (> 0.4G)

The biggest penalties are for forced autopilot cancellations, forward collision warnings, and hard braking. However, if you're on autopilot and you get a forward collision warning or the car does hard braking on its own, you are not penalized.

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Shablagoo posted...

Why do you need to have a high safety score to get the self-driving? Shouldnt it be the other way around? Or is it that the car learns from the way you drive or something?

They want the safest drivers to test the system out first. Essentially, if the car makes a mistake, they want the people who are most likely to be paying attention to avoid collisions and stuff to use it first. They use the reports we send when the cars make mistakes and improve the FSD programming so that the cars won't make those mistakes again in the next update.

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Why does Elon's "Safety Score" matter to you so much?

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Why does Elon's "Safety Score" matter to you so much?

They're releasing the FSD beta to people with the highest scores first. If I want the FSD beta sooner, then I need to pay attention to the safety score. They released it to people with 100/100 and >= 100 miles a couple weeks ago. They released it for people with 99/100 and >= 100 miles today.

I'm on vacation now and went from San Antonio, TX to Austin, TX to visit my mom. We drove around town for a bit because she wanted to go see the Tesla Gigafactory they're building in Austin. I drove about 180 miles yesterday in total and got my score back to 99.

People with 98/100 will likely get it in the next couple weeks or so. The update I got to day pushed out FSD beta 10.3, which was an upgrade from 10.2. I'm assuming 10.4 will be the next one.

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CableZL posted...

They're releasing the FSD beta to people with the highest scores first. If I want the FSD beta sooner, then I need to pay attention to the safety score. They released it to people with 100/100 and >= 100 miles a couple weeks ago. They released it for people with 99/100 and >= 100 miles today.

I'm on vacation now and went from San Antonio, TX to Austin, TX to visit my mom. We drove around town for a bit because she wanted to go see the Tesla Gigafactory they're building in Austin. I drove about 180 miles yesterday in total and got my score back to 99.

People with 98/100 will likely get it in the next couple weeks or so. The update I got to day pushed out FSD beta 10.3, which was an upgrade from 10.2. I'm assuming 10.4 will be the next one.

What's a few weeks, I don't think it's that big of a deal to wait a bit longer.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

What's a few weeks, I don't think it's that big of a deal to wait a bit longer.

The longer I go on without qualifying for it, the bigger the risk of something weird happening on the road or me making some mistake that causes my score to lower to 97, 96, 95, etc.

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CableZL posted...

The longer I go on without qualifying for it, the bigger the risk of something weird happening on the road or me making some mistake that causes my score to lower to 97, 96, 95, etc.

Isn't the onus on you to be a safe driver to keep that score up?

Shouldn't that incentivize you to drive safer, make wiser decisions?

What's the real motivation behind wanting their latest Self Driving Beta?

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Isn't the onus on you to be a safe driver to keep that score up?

Shouldn't that incentivize you to drive safer, make wiser decisions?

Yeah, but forward collision warnings and hard braking, two of the biggest penalties, can happen due to things that aren't your fault. If someone pulls out in front of you in an unsafe manner, you're likely to get a forward collision warning and be force to brake hard to avoid a collision. It could also force you to turn aggressively.

Hell, on the way home today, I saw a student driver get forced out of his lane by a guy in a pickup truck. The same thing happened to me a few weeks ago, but I was able to avoid the collision with just a small aggressive turning penalty that didn't hurt my overall score for that drive.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

What's the real motivation behind wanting their latest Self Driving Beta?

What do you mean "real motivation?" Like it's some bad thing to want to use the feature as soon as I can possibly get it.

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Mr Hangman posted...

Hearing that this "safety score" even exists really turns me off of Tesla, and otherwise I'd be pretty interested in having one.

Safety scores aren't a new thing, nor are they unique to Tesla. Some insurance companies have graded people's driving as a part of determining their insurance premiums for a long time now.

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Mr Hangman posted...

It's different when a company is keeping a record of your reported accidents to when a computer in your car is secretly snitching on you all the time.

The two are exactly the same, though. The only difference with other insurance companies is that they give you a computer to plug into the OBD2 port in your car that reports the data on your driving to them. It's just built in with Tesla and only used if you opt into the FSD beta or you have Tesla Insurance.

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The real question is did you get your new teeth aligners?

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BignutzisBack posted...

The real question is did you get your new teeth aligners?

I actually just got them today. They were delivered to my mailbox yesterday, but I wasn't home. I drove home this morning and got them.

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CableZL posted...

What do you mean "real motivation?" Like it's some bad thing to want to use the feature as soon as I can possibly get it.

Ask yourself this, why would Tesla have a tiered release system based on Safety Score for their Full Self Driving Beta?

What's their rationale for doing this method instead of releasing it to everybody at the same time?

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Ask yourself this, why would Tesla have a tiered release system based on Safety Score for their Full Self Driving Beta?

What's their rationale for doing this method instead of releasing it to everybody at the same time?

This has already been explained.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Ask yourself this, why would Tesla have a tiered release system based on Safety Score for their Full Self Driving Beta?

What's their rationale for doing this method instead of releasing it to everybody at the same time?

It's better PR if the system fails and a good driver can take over to avoid an incident than if a bad driver is not paying attention, causes an accident, and the news jumps all over the system. You want to avoid that situation as much as possible until you think the system is stable enough that it won't matter.

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theAteam posted...

It's better PR if the system fails and a good driver can take over to avoid an incident than if a bad driver is not paying attention, causes an accident, and the news jumps all over the system. You want to avoid that situation as much as possible until you think the system is stable enough that it won't matter.

Yep. We already see lots of headlines about Tesla crashes where autopilot is blamed. The vast majority of them turn out to not be autopilot issues at all, but those reports don't get retractions after the fact.

We saw the same thing with Toyota years ago and that whole "issue" with the brakes failing. After the NHTSA did a full investigation, the cause was deemed to be user error. The damage had already been done, though. Toyota recalled tons of "affected" Camry vehicles to modify the accelerator pedal so that it wouldn't get stuck under floor mats that were the wrong size.

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Also it's a good incentive to get people to try and drive more safely in general.

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Don't hyper focus on the score. it's gonna drive you nuts. Just be safe of course, and things will work out

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Arcanine2009 posted...

Don't hyper focus on the score. it's gonna drive you nuts. Just be safe of course, and things will work out

Yeah, I drove to Austin to visit my mom yesterday and got my score back up to 99. I've got the FSD beta now and the safety score feature is gone.

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Thanks I hate it

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CableZL posted...

Hard braking (> 0.3G)

-0.3g = -9.66 ft/s^2 = -6.6 mph/s

That's complete bullshit. Do they have decrepit old people who no longer have any business being behind the wheel of a car coming up with these numbers? 0.5g (11 mph/s) would be far more appropriate of a "hard braking" metric.

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Paragon21XX posted...

-0.3g = -9.66 ft/s^2 = -6.6 mph/s

That's complete bulls***. Do they have decrepit old people who no longer have any business being behind the wheel of a car coming up with these numbers? 0.5g (11 mph/s) would be far more appropriate of a "hard braking" metric.

I definitely feel like they should have been less strict with the hard braking metric, but it's not hard to abide by it once you understand the best way to do it. Unless weird shit happens that forces you to brake in an emergency.

One pedal driving is the way to go

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Arcanine2009 posted...

Just be safe of course, and things will work out

i hope so. that asshole on the road costed him a point that he won't get back.
it's going to happen again.
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