Current Events > The Mario and Luigi RPG series is dead and it's YOUR FAULT

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Or maybe it's just Nintendo's fault idk. Just thinking about this makes me sad. Alpha Dream deserved better. Superstar Saga, Bowser's Inside Story, and Dream Team are fantastic games!! Partners in Time is just ok and I never touched Paper Jam.

RIP a dope rpg series

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Meh 4th and 5th games followed by a fine remake and then one nobody needed on a dying system instead of the brand new Switch. Dumb choices all around.

I loved the Mario & Luigi series. I didn't play any of the remakes, though.

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Good. Haven't made a good Mario RPG game since the first.
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I would have rather had 3DS ports instead of the remakes. The art in them fucking sucks

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the series went completely downhill after BiS, and they made a bunch of bad decisions

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Irony posted...

I would have rather had 3DS ports instead of the remakes. The art in them fucking sucks

Wtf their psuedo 3d art is awesome

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LOVED them on the GBA

Blue_Inigo posted...

Wtf their psuedo 3d art is awesome

Nah, I hate to use the term, but they're kind of souless compared to the GBA sprites. BIS GBA looks so much better than BIS 3DS.

I played BIS and DT but they lost me halfway through. Too much crap to interact with and not interesting enough to keep me coming back, and I never found the writing that funny

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nemu posted...

Nah, I hate to use the term, but they're kind of souless compared to the GBA sprites. BIS GBA looks so much better than BIS 3DS.

Gonna have to heavily disagree on this. Soulless is not what I'd call em. I like both the old school sprites and their last look

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It ain't my fault, I bought every single game including the remakes.

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At least they had the mercy to let it die

Unlike its sister series

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Dreepapult posted...

At least they had the mercy to let it die

Unlike its sister series

Neither need to die!!

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I LOVED the first one. The ones with the babies though, that drug on and though I think I got close to the end. I couldnt muster up enough care to finish it

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The series never really evolved from Superstar Saga. It just kinda went all sorts of direction from sideways to diagonally to straight down. Not a big surprise the series died

Superstar Saga was just imaginative and rewardingly explorative from an adventure standpoint, and interesting and dynamic from an RPG perspective. The rest don't ever excel in both regards vs. SSS. Maybe some games have better rpg aspect and some games have better exploration, but never both

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legendarylemur posted...

The series never really evolved from Superstar Saga. It just kinda went all sorts of direction from sideways to diagonally to straight down. Not a big surprise the series died

Nintendo has seriously hamstrung any ability to add personality to its characters. Even Paper Mario isn't given room to grow because Daddy Miyamoto sayeth so.

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legendarylemur posted...

The series never really evolved from Superstar Saga. It just kinda went all sorts of direction from sideways to diagonally to straight down. Not a big surprise the series died

Superstar Saga was just imaginative and rewardingly explorative from an adventure standpoint, and interesting and dynamic from an RPG perspective. The rest don't ever excel in both regards vs. SSS. Maybe some games have better rpg aspect and some games have better exploration, but never both

Bowser's Inside Story stands toe to toe with SSS tbh
https://youtu.be/faA3IMDbb5I

Listen to that!!


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alphadream, rather than reusing the engine, kept redesigning things from scratch
i wonder how much that hurt them

to say that the remakes were cash grabs is kinda dumb, though
they had to redraw so many assets and they rebalanced and adjusted a good amount of stuff
they simply released them at a really horrible time, long after the series started falling out of favor with the gaming public

oh, and bowser's inside story fucking sucked, it was a long and tedious slog with way too many shitty and often-repeated minigames

Blue_Inigo posted...

Bowser's Inside Story stands toe to toe with SSS tbh
https://youtu.be/faA3IMDbb5I

Listen to that!!

BIS was close, but it didn't exactly outdo SSS in terms of exploration and creativity. Bowser insides sections were really good and some of the Bowser/Mario&Luigi world interactions were top notch, but better than Beanbean Kingdom and all its interesting areas and secrets? I don't think so. Though honestly BIS still stands todays as one of the most appreciated titles that I think people saw and expected only better things from the series.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Nintendo has seriously hamstrung any ability to add personality to its characters. Even Paper Mario isn't given room to grow because Daddy Miyamoto sayeth so.

I dunno how much of that is actually the cause though. By BIS they were already pulling out complaints about being restricted, but M&L Bowser or Fawful still had a ton of personality. I think this is more the fault of the devs than anything. Beanbean had a lot of advantages of being in a completely new world, but it still built a ton of personality just on its own

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SSS and BiS were top notch games, everything else was "decent" to straight up bad. BiS remake is an abomination, too.

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Re-releasing a game on 3DS as a last hurrah while Switch was going in strong af was a dumb decision.
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