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https://youtu.be/7jx_vdvxWu0

I remember when CE was obsessed with Girls Generation. These girls are supposedly way more famous than them. At least according to the video description on YouTube.

I'm glad that I've never bought into the whole lame as fuck KPop hype.

Hell, even Gangnam Style annoyed me real quick when it went past its novelty tolerance mark and ran into the ground.


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I only cared about mai wife Hani and her group, EXID.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

I'm glad that I've never bought into the whole lame as fuck KPop hype.

Hell, even Gangnam Style annoyed me real quick when it went past its novelty tolerance mark and ran into the ground.

...Hype? It's literally an entire country's music industry, and it's been around for decades.

Very silly to reduce it to "hype", just because two groups (BTS and BlackPink) have seen unheard of success in the Western market.

MihawkPirate posted...

...Hype? It's literally an entire country's music industry, and it's been around for decades.

Very silly to reduce it to "hype", just because two groups (BTS and BlackPink) have seen unheard of success in the Western market.

I always laugh at how much Kpop triggers people. The xenophobia is real.

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I thought this would be about Twice but yeah, Blackpink makes more sense.

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Vicious_Dios posted...

Hell, even Gangnam Style annoyed me real quick when it went past its novelty tolerance mark and ran into the ground.

"Even" Gangnam Style. Sounds like you liked it more than I did.

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MihawkPirate posted...

...Hype? It's literally an entire country's music industry, and it's been around for decades.

Very silly to reduce it to "hype", just because two groups (BTS and BlackPink) have seen unheard of success in the Western market.

It IS hype, hell you even acknowledged it in your post.

Touch posted...

I always laugh at how much Kpop triggers people. The xenophobia is real.

'Zenowhathefuck'? You seriously have a very low threshold grasp on what the word means. The music just sucks and I couldn't give two shits about choreographed dances.

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>cancel GLOW
>greenlight this

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Vicious_Dios posted...

It IS hype, hell you even acknowledged it in your post.

'Zenowhathefuck'? You seriously have a very low threshold grasp on what the word means. The music just sucks and I couldn't give two shits about choreographed dances.

Good for you.

Nobody is forcing you to watch or listen to K-Pop performances.

I despise all forms of country music, but it would be stupid of me to bash the whole genre and try to start shit with people who do.

There are people who may love the genre for the very same reasons I hate it.

But as I said before, you're being silly calling a decades old music genre "hype", and it shows a very severe lack of fundamental knowledge of K-Pop.

I doubt you're open to correcting that either.

BTS and BlackPink have been setting records and growing their fanbases for years.

BTS have been active since 2013 and BlackPink since 2016, and they both have some of the biggest fandoms in music, with BTS having the biggest fandom in the world.

That's not hype.

And you also completely misconstrued my point.

Two groups having success in the West, even if you incorrectly label them as hype, does not mean the entire K-Pop genre is hype.

That. Is. Silly.

K-Pop has been going strong and growing long before BTS and BlackPink, and it will continue to thrive even without Western validation.

Context: I've been listening to K-Pop since before either of those groups even debuted.

If you read what I posted, BTS debuted in 2013.

Look, I don't care if you don't like the music or performances, but don't say ridiculous unsubstantiated nonsense just because it doesn't vibe with you.

Blackpink in your area

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does the kpop industry still not allow their artists to have boyfriends/girlfriends

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Aeriis posted...

I will never understand the hype over Blackpink

They're very pretty and fill in the void left behind by 2NE1

SSJGrimReaper posted...

does the kpop industry still not allow their artists to have boyfriends/girlfriends

They had them anyway; they just weren't public.

But two members of Twice are openly dating so it's not exactly banned.

It depends on the individual agencies moreso than the industry as a whole.

i first found out about this group through that Sour Candy song with Lady Gaga which i actually liked.

then i went to check their album only to be surprised! it has some bangers in it! and im not into K-pop that much tbh.

omg i remember that song dududu that one went offfffff

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i really do like that the worldwide music charts are changing btw
im a big fan of latin pop so i love to see them doing well.
kpop stans however.. ..they're something. somebody dies = should've stanned loona! *hype cam*

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NeoBowser posted...

i really do like that the worldwide music charts are changing btw
im a big fan of latin pop so i love to see them doing well.
kpop stans however.. ..they're something. somebody dies = should've stanned loona! *hype cam*

Even other K-Pop fans find this group of people disgusting.

They're an absolute embarrassment to all other K-Pop fans, and it's sad that the inevitable guilt by association tarnished the image of other K-Pop fans.

MihawkPirate posted...

Even other K-Pop fans find this group of people disgusting.

They're an absolute embarrassment to all other K-Pop fans, and it's sad that the inevitable guilt by association tarnished the image of other K-Pop fans.

kpop fans should not have to carry that. but it does happen. specific kinds of stans in general can be very harmful to their fandoms. i think fan cams on random threads in general are really dumb

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NeoBowser posted...

kpop fans should not have to carry that. but it does happen. specific kinds of stans in general can be very harmful to their fandoms. i think fan cams on random threads in general are really dumb

The only time I was okay with this behavior is when they spammed the #whitelivesmatter with fancams.

That even made national headlines.

The one time they used their power for good.

They're experiencing unprecedented success in the West, so it doesn't surprise me.

Mamamoo would blow up here, if they had just one good opportunity to show off their skills.

Oh well.

Kpop is shit

will still watch the documentary

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Aeriis posted...

I will never understand the hype over Blackpink

They are four hot chicks who are unapologetic about their looks, fashion and all the fun theyre having as young performers. Of course theyre a manufactured group and the music isnt original or sophisticated, but its catchy and their videos have high production value.

It really is the classic girls want to be them and guys want to date them, just with a glossy look that focuses on swag and harmless fun.

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MihawkPirate posted...

Good for you.

Nobody is forcing you to watch or listen to K-Pop performances.

I despise all forms of country music, but it would be stupid of me to bash the whole genre and try to start shit with people who do.

There are people who may love the genre for the very same reasons I hate it.

But as I said before, you're being silly calling a decades old music genre "hype", and it shows a very severe lack of fundamental knowledge of K-Pop.

I doubt you're open to correcting that either.

BTS and BlackPink have been setting records and growing their fanbases for years.

BTS have been active since 2013 and BlackPink since 2016, and they both have some of the biggest fandoms in music, with BTS having the biggest fandom in the world.

That's not hype.

And you also completely misconstrued my point.

Two groups having success in the West, even if you incorrectly label them as hype, does not mean the entire K-Pop genre is hype.

That. Is. Silly.

K-Pop has been going strong and growing long before BTS and BlackPink, and it will continue to thrive even without Western validation.

MihawkPirate posted...

Context: I've been listening to K-Pop since before either of those groups even debuted.

If you read what I posted, BTS debuted in 2013.

Look, I don't care if you don't like the music or performances, but don't say ridiculous unsubstantiated nonsense just because it doesn't vibe with you.

You're really invested in this.


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Vicious_Dios posted...

You're really invested in this.

Spare me the pretentious response.

I mean, no I'm not invested at all in a music industry that has produced artists I've traveled the globe for.

You can dislike the music all you want, friend. I flippantly dismissed K-Pop the first time I heard it.

But it's flat out wrong to call it hype.

I haven't been "invested" in hype for nearly an entire decade.

Tbf, the music is designed and engineered to be based around hype and popularity so - they deliberately build up the 'characters' (or is 'avatar' more appropriate >_>) to be likeable or whatever

It's just not my thing regardless of that fact; it's not terrible music as whatever configuration of sound is ok for me.. I just don't listen to it often.. someone posted some ice cream song of theirs and it wasn't so great

makes me wonder what k-pop is now.

i mean should we dismiss a song like this as all flash/hype with no artistic merit whatsoever just because it's kpop?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kaCAbIXuyg

or is this just a case of ignorants speaking out on issues they should have no business discussing in the first place?

of course, same person also made this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ULhmadHkg

so, a talentless hack regardless of what they do just because it's "kpop" or...?

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AsucaHayashi posted...

makes me wonder what k-pop is now.

i mean should we dismiss a song like this as all flash/hype with no artistic merit whatsoever just because it's kpop?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kaCAbIXuyg

or is this just a case of ignorants speaking out on issues they should have no business discussing in the first place?

of course, same person also made this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ULhmadHkg

so, a talentless hack regardless of what they do just because it's "kpop" or...?

That first one is pretty beautiful; but we're talking about the pop groups here >_>

RedJackson posted...

That first one is pretty beautiful; but we're talking about the pop groups here >_>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-Dragon

Kwon Ji-yong (Korean: ; born August 18, 1988),[2] also known by his stage name G-Dragon, is a South Korean rapper, singer-songwriter, record producer, entrepreneur and fashion designer, dubbed as the 'King of K-Pop'. [3][4][5][6] G-Dragon trained for six years, from the age of twelve, at South Korean entertainment label YG Entertainment before debuting in 2006 as the leader of the hip hop boy band Big Bang, which went on to become one of the best-selling boy bands in the world.[7]

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AsucaHayashi posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-Dragon

Nah, nah I meant like entire groups.. I can accept being a solo artist and creating a brand and imagine.. but training an entire team to be a group of characters ala The Beatles? Good music is good music, ngl.. but The Beatles figured 'the hell with this' and stopped caring about keeping an image of being love able and pleasing fans like that because they don't wanna be controlled by what they are allowed and not allowed to say >_>

It's just weird to me that agencies still go out of their way to create groups

by far and large his group big bang makes the same type of music.
also, solos(sub groups or collabs etc.) happen ALL the time in kpop.

here's one featuring one of the members from the group in the netflix documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b73BI9eUkjM

and by and large it sounds the same as it would have if they were a group doing the song together.

the point is should you be able to dismiss everything due to whatever preconceived notion of kpop you have even though some of it, as you've stated, is beautiful?

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Zikten posted...

I remember when CE was obsessed with Girls Generation. These girls are supposedly way more famous than them. At least according to the video description on YouTube.

Just one quick serious comment. BP are more famous than GG in the West. If you count only Asia, GG are still more famous. In fact if you count only Asia BP aren't even the most famous girl group right now, that's Twice. Who are just now getting to be as famous as GG (or actually I think they surpassed them just recently).

This point is important because as the girls say in the trailer, what makes Kpop Kpop is not the style of the music or even the look or whatever, but the culture behind it. And the farther away you get from that culture the farther away you are getting from Kpop. Even though technically their music is still Kpop.

AsucaHayashi posted...

makes me wonder what k-pop is now.

Exactly, it's a question that's getting redefined because before recent years we didn't have the situation where a Kpop group is bigger in the West than the Kpop group that's bigger in Asia.

If you ask me, a group like BP may do music that's successful in the West and they will label it Kpop, and everybody will acknowledge it as Kpop, but maybe it's not really Kpop, why, because the culture under which it's successful is not the same culture under which the same music is not as successful. So maybe it's two things at the same time. Maybe all of Kpop is always two things at the same time. Kpop and just simply pop, or global Kpop, or whatever you want to call it.

There's a lot of valid criticism about Kpop, as Kpop, that is to say about what is particular to Kpop. But if you're criticizing BP or BTS or for that matter Gangnam Style, so called Kpop that's famous in the West, or perhaps even if you're criticizing any Kpop group, maybe it's not so much the Kpop in it that you're criticizing, but just the pop in it. Which is not particular to Kpop.

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MihawkPirate posted...

Spare me the pretentious response.

I mean, no I'm not invested at all in a music industry that has produced artists I've traveled the globe for.

You can dislike the music all you want, friend. I flippantly dismissed K-Pop the first time I heard it.

But it's flat out wrong to call it hype.

I haven't been "invested" in hype for nearly an entire decade.

I feel bad for people who dont know Vicious_Dios character on this board. I actually appreciate him because you know youre likely on the wrong side if he dislikes something you dislike too.

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lol I remember the girls generation era on CE. 2009

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BP is a strangely refined product. Many are annoyed by the redundant sound/production with working with Teddy, but the songs stick anyway. The infrequency of their releases vs. how much fandom they've garnered is amazing.

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KaZooo posted...

BP is a strangely refined product. Many are annoyed by the redundant sound/production with working with Teddy, but the songs stick anyway. The infrequency of their releases vs. how much fandom they've garnered is amazing.

I think partly because they're likable. I like BP. Doesn't mean I listen to their music, but other Kpop fans specially in the West have a taste closer to it. So they have the likability and trendiness of Kpop, but at the same time their music is more readily accepted than say Twice, to say nothing of other groups.

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AsucaHayashi posted...

the point is should you be able to dismiss everything due to whatever preconceived notion of kpop you have even though some of it, as you've stated, is beautiful?

No, I guess not - but to be fair I've basically dismissed both styles o music in favor of older stuff with old school production values including the actual pennmanship of the song (not the lyrics, the meat and potatoes that is the instruments, solos, etc)

I did genuinely like that song though - pretty catchy!

I really want to see a documentary on the support staff that make these pop groups possible to exist and thrive. Im guessing there are at least a dozen people involved in various capacities, although it might be much higher.

Four performers with constant wardrobe and makeup and hairstyle changes, plus a super busy interview and appearance schedule?

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their music is super fun to listen to. good workout music and theyre all soo cute

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