Current Events > How long are people going to blame the Trump administration for covid cases?

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Other than their administration you've got:

• CDC
• Hospitals, doctors, university health departments publishing information
• States, local government publishing information
• International organizations

Think it's time to focus on personal responsibility? People know what is responsible behaviour during the pandemic it doesn't matter what Trump tweets.

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I blame the Trump administration for making things worse. I still think it would be bad under Obama/Hillary/Biden, just because 40% of Americans are ignorant and proud of it.

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Hes the president. He holds influence over a lot of people. And he actively admits to withholding tests to lower covid case numbers. And hes yet to do anything on the federal level to deal with a national problem.

Is he the only person to blame? No. But he shoulders a fair amount of responsibility, as much as hed like to say it isnt his problem.

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Trump's stupid messages are only a part of the problem.

There was a plan and a budget for the government to follow. He just didn't fucking use it.

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• CNN
• Obama Administration

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Christian RULES posted...

* CNN
* Obama Administration
*Christian RULES

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You mean the administration that repeatedly downplayed it and spread misinformation?

Whatever happened to that pandemic response team we had.... oh wait

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Bestoffuture posted...
Christian RULES posted...

* CNN
* Obama Administration
*Christian RULES

LMAOOOOOO

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https://imgur.com/a/llCm56V

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REMercsChamp posted...

Think it's time to focus on personal responsibility? People know what is responsible behaviour during the pandemic it doesn't matter what Trump tweets.

Do they though?

You have Donald for months downplay the virus. He said people saying it was a big deal was a Democratic hoax. That right there tells his base and idiots to disregard people who have been saying this virus was a big deal.

You have Donald Trump demand states open up against the orders of health officials. That undermines the health officials, the people who say what is and isn't safe. Once again that tells his base and idiots to ignore what health officials say.

Now you have Donald Trump demand his rallies be held at full capacity, erase all warnings to social distance and refuses to wear a mask or ask his followers to wear a mask.

Yeah people need to be personally responsible, but they are normal people. They need to given the best information to make the responsible decision, and their president and hero undermines and mocks the information regularly. The real question you should be asking is when do Trumpers stop giving him so much slack and admit that he has undermined health officials and played a part misinforming the public.

Forever.

The fact that he originally called the virus a hoax is enough of a case to blame every spike on the president, even if it isn't entirely his fault.

Hospitals were not prepared, despite having ample time and information to do so.
Cities had no direction or protocol to contain existing cases.

The fact that BLM riots happened during all this will also reflect on Trump's weak ability to lead.

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It'll probably go down in American history as the worst blundering of a national crisis we've ever seen. Not only due to the lack of initial preparation and active effort to suppress it, but the abject denial and refusal to take steps to contain it afterwards. Trump will forever be seen as responsible for the deaths of well over 100,000 Americans, an economic crisis near on par with the Great Depression, and a fragmentation of states to an extent we haven't seen since the Civil War.

The absolute worst thing is that this isn't some secret; there's a mountain of irrefutable evidence showcasing his culpability, but there are millions of people who'd rather cut off their nose to spite their face.

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Its completely his fault. Only his blind followers think otherwise.

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Forever.

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Christian RULES posted...

* CNN
* Obama Administration

* Fox News
*Bill Barr

Considering we're the only developed nation that didn't make any effort and is seeing no improvement? Yeah, it's on him.

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If Donald Trump just put his slogans on a face mask and sold it, he could've saved lives and made himself money.

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The narrative he began with led to millions not giving a single fuck about it.

Hospitals, doctors, university health departments publishing information

shut the fuck up. My chairman of medicine passed away helping us resident doctors work through covid

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megamanfreakXD posted...

shut the fuck up. My chairman of medicine passed away helping us resident doctors work through covid

So because the chairman of medicine passed away that means that university health departments aren't publishing covid information? I'm not following you.

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How about forever? His shitty response and continued incompetence in the face of a national crisis is going to be in the history books, and not just the ones in our country

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Yes why blame the person who called it a hoax for months after top medical scientists said this would be serious?

If we shut down in December we would've been normal in March

But here we are

Don't be an idiot

REMercsChamp posted...

So because the chairman of medicine passed away that means that university health departments aren't publishing covid information? I'm not following you.

Which universities published incorrect data about COVID?

eston posted...

How about forever? His shitty response and continued incompetence in the face of a national crisis is going to be in the history books, and not just the ones in our country

K - but at what point do you just admit he fucked up the original response and admit that the general public has all the information they need on covid that is found in many other resources available than the Trump administration, and people have to start taking personal responsibility to stop the spread? This reminds me of the 40 year olds on the r/NEET board still blaming their parents for all their failures. At some point you need to put it behind you and push forward.

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I mean it's hard to ignore Trump when he says things like 'if we tested less people, there's be less cases' or whatever and that isn't even an isolated moment for him. "Just a flu" became far too common just by him saying it. We also can't ignore how he acted in the early months when it was becoming more and more of an issue.

Now he isn't solely responsible for this pandemic and all of its deaths, but it is his responsibility to minimize the damage to the best of his ability. Not go around having big indoors rallies in states with spiking cases and refusing to wear a mask and making "jokes" about the crisis.

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Ruvan22 posted...

Which universities published incorrect data about COVID?

I don't think any. Did I say they did?

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REMercsChamp posted...

K - but at what point do you just admit he fucked up the original response and admit that the general public has all the information they need on covid that is found in many other resources available than the Trump administration, and people have to start taking personal responsibility to stop the spread? This reminds me of the 40 year olds on the r/NEET board still blaming their parents for all their failures. At some point you need to put it behind you and push forward.

Trump has spent the last 4 years telling his voterbase that you can't trust what news and scientists say. You can absolutely lay blame on Trump and his administration for the disastrous handling of the virus at all levels.

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Kuuko posted...

Trump has spent the last 4 years telling his voterbase that you can't trust what news and scientists say. You can absolutely lay blame on Trump and his administration for the disastrous handling of the virus at all levels.

This is sort of what I'm getting at with the personal responsibility thing. If you're ignoring literally every other organization in the world other than Trump and just listening to what he says, that's not being responsible as an adult. That's going through life like an irresponsible dumb fuck.

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REMercsChamp posted...

This is sort of what I'm getting at with the personal responsibility thing. If you're ignoring literally every other organization in the world other than Trump and just listening to what he says, that's not being responsible as an adult. That's going through life like an irresponsible dumb fuck.

Well I agree with you that they're not being responsible or rational at all but Trump definitely helped cultivate that attitude in them and your topic is asking how you can blame Trump for the mess of the pandemic response

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REMercsChamp posted...

I don't think any. Did I say they did?

No you didn't - why did you bring them up?

Ruvan22 posted...

No you didn't - why did you bring them up?

Because I made a topic about it? What do you mean why did I bring it up. It's my topic.

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REMercsChamp posted...

Because I made a topic about it? What do you mean why did I bring it up. It's my topic.

Your topic title is "How long are people going to blame the Trump administration for covid cases?", and then list a bunch of other things. Are you saying that we should blame those other things? Or that people should have listened to those other things?

Ruvan22 posted...

Your topic title is "How long are people going to blame the Trump administration for covid cases?", and then list a bunch of other things. Are you saying that we should blame those other things? Or that people should have listened to those other things?

No? Those other things more or less encompass credible sources of information? That's some serious paranoid shit on your end to think that's a list of propaganda outlets out to spread covid misinformation dude.

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REMercsChamp posted...

This is sort of what I'm getting at with the personal responsibility thing. If you're ignoring literally every other organization in the world other than Trump and just listening to what he says, that's not being responsible as an adult. That's going through life like an irresponsible dumb fuck.

you're ignoring the fact that we have what amounts to state sponsored propaganda news in this country, its called FOX news and around 40% of the people of this country take everything they hear on it as gospel and claim everything else is fake news. fox news has fed their viewers a steady stream of bullshit, propaganda, and brainwashing; telling them that everything trump says is truth and evidence to the contrary is a fake liberal bullcrap.

but what do you know, you're a canadian trump troll after all...

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REMercsChamp posted...

K - but at what point do you just admit he fucked up the original response and admit that the general public has all the information they need on covid that is found in many other resources available than the Trump administration, and people have to start taking personal responsibility to stop the spread? This reminds me of the 40 year olds on the r/NEET board still blaming their parents for all their failures. At some point you need to put it behind you and push forward.

Look at the people who are refusing to wear masks and tell me they don't have something in common. Donald Trump has directly contributed to these peoples' ignorance and apathy, and you downplaying it does not change that

The man politicized a global pandemic ffs

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monkmith posted...

you're ignoring the fact that we have what amounts to state sponsored propaganda news in this country, its called FOX news and around 40% of the people of this country take everything they hear on it as gospel and claim everything else is fake news. fox news has fed their viewers a steady stream of bullshit, propaganda, and brainwashing; telling them that everything trump says is truth and evidence to the contrary is a fake liberal bullcrap.

but what do you know, you're a canadian trump troll after all...

eston posted...

Look at the people who are refusing to wear masks and tell me they don't have something in common. Donald Trump has directly contributed to these peoples' ignorance and apathy, and you downplaying it does not change that

I'm not accepting either of these that you're saying people this easily misled and it's Trump's or Fox news fault. It's their problem. What if they had some whackjob neighbor who was into conspiracy theories and that's all they used for their information? It's on the person to look outside of Fox news, that's a personal failing.

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REMercsChamp posted...

I'm not accepting either of these that you're saying people this easily misled and it's Trump's or Fox news fault. It's their problem. What if they had some whackjob neighbor who was into conspiracy theories and that's all they used for their information? It's on the person to look outside of Fox news, that's a personal failing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

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Surprised at all these posts and no mention of the WHO. They fucked up too.

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ThisThing posted...

You mean the administration that repeatedly downplayed it and spread misinformation?

hitokoriX posted...

Whatever happened to that pandemic response team we had.... oh wait

These.

He literally called it a hoax for a period of time instead of taking any sort of preemptive measures to try to control its spread, and he got rid of the response team that was already made for situations like this. It's almost entirely his fault that it's gotten this bad.

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REMercsChamp posted...

I'm not accepting either of these that you're saying people this easily misled and it's Trump's or Fox news fault. It's their problem. What if they had some whackjob neighbor who was into conspiracy theories and that's all they used for their information? It's on the person to look outside of Fox news, that's a personal failing.

Donald Trump turning a pandemic into a political argument meant that people who support Donald Trump were far less likely to trust actual science and medical professionals when they disagree with him. I'm not arguing that those people aren't ignorant as fuck, because they definitely are, but acting as though Trump holds no responsibility in this is also ignorant.

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MelbuFrahma4 posted...

Surprised at all these posts and no mention of the WHO. They fucked up too.

We're talking about what's happening now, not what happened at the beginning. Mistakes were made early in the year and things have been clarified and corrected. This is what I'm saying - it's almost July and people are still blaming covid spreading now because Trump called it a hoax 6-7 months ago, or the WHO said something wrong about masks in January, when we all know now how it spreads and what you can do to stop the spread.

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Can people stop engaging REMercs as though he a serious person posting in good faith?

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GrandConjuraton posted...

He literally called it a hoax for a period of time instead of taking any sort of preemptive measures to try to control its spread, and he got rid of the response team that was already made for situations like this. It's almost entirely his fault that it's gotten this bad.

Ah yes, the pandemic infrastructure set up by the last 3 presidents which Trump promptly dismantled, can't forget that

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REMercsChamp posted...

We're talking about what's happening now, not what happened at the beginning. Mistakes were made early in the year and things have been clarified and corrected. This is what I'm saying - it's almost July and people are still blaming covid spreading now because Trump called it a hoax 6-7 months ago, or the WHO said something wrong about masks in January, when we all know now how it spreads and what you can do to stop the spread.

It's not about what he said 6-7 months ago. People are (rightfully) blaming Trump for things he said and did last week, dude. It's definitely been an ongoing disaster of a response.

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Kuuko posted...

It's not about what he said 6-7 months ago. People are (rightfully) blaming Trump for things he said and did last week, dude. It's definitely been an ongoing disaster of a response.

I get it and we're going in circles now. Trump's response ever since he stopped the task force meetings have been shit. But, my whole point, is the information is out there. It's like blaming a bad high school teacher because they didn't tell you something when you could easily look it up from 1000 different sources on the internet. Actually it's worse than that because the real news is all over the TV, everyone knows about. You're being willfully ignorant to accept Trump's shit.

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Does TC think we're also not blaming idiots refusing to wear masks, folks going to crowded clubs and beaches, and governors/mayors who enable those behaviors? I don't get this topic

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Extreme_light posted...

Does TC think we're also not blaming idiots refusing to wear masks, folks going to crowded clubs and beaches, and governors/mayors who enable those behaviors? I don't get this topic

I don't know who the "we" is in this but a lot of people don't hold them accountable they just say it's Trump's fault.

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