Current Events > Do you think the death penalty should be legal?

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Crono99 posted...

Death penalty gives the government a power it shouldn't have imo

why shouldn't the government have that power? what are those people doing killing innocent people, in many cases

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No it should be illegal. Anyone who enacts the death penalty should be put to death.

For extreme circumstances such as terrorism (including bioterrorism), treason (trump and a lot of other politicians would be guilty of this), directors/executives who damage the country through their greedy practices, rape (not all forms), murder etc

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Not at all.

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Best argument for it is that society is better off with some people dead

Best argument against it is that it's the government

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Yes, but our legal system is so messed up that it really doesn't matter.

In our legal system death is honestly preferable to life in prison.
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What stops a life term prisoner from killing another prisoner/guard/staff?

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Absolutely. 100%

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I flip flop on this all the time. Right now I'm of the mind that it's alright for the worst of the worse, with there being zero doubt that they are guilty. I mean mass murderers, people who can't be rehabilitated and freed.
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DemonBuffet posted...

What stops a life term prisoner from killing another prisoner/guard/staff?

Is this an epidemic in prison?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

As long as that list exists, no it should not be legal.

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Only for mass murders and child rapists.

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No, even the worst of the worst should have the chance to repent before they die. And they can have the rest of their life behind bars to consider such.

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Complete_Idi0t posted...

No it should be illegal. Anyone who enacts the death penalty should be put to death.

Lmao underrated Idi0t post

The Wheelman1 posted...

Only for mass murders and child rapists.

This. And one thing I think people always forget to consider is how many people don't act out on horrendous acts out of fear of being sentenced to death. It's an impossible number to figure, but I believe as a deterrent, it's spared lives out there from potential killers that chickened out.

Yes, innocents have been put to death, but at the same time, people out there who would have murdered if it wasn't for the threat of death penalty spared innocent lives also. It's whatever end of the balance you view it as.

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It serves no useful purpose apart from petty vengeance and meaningless closure, and it somehow costs even more to eventually kill a prisoner than it does to just warehouse him forever.

No, I firmly oppose the death penalty

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Crono99 posted...

Death penalty gives the government a power it shouldn't have imo

That

I oppose the death penalty because I find it immoral

Absolutely

bumph

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Nah, if we only killed people who deserve it, we'd all be dead.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

It serves no useful purpose apart from petty vengeance and meaningless closure, and it somehow costs even more to eventually kill a prisoner than it does to just warehouse him forever.

Closure isnt meaningless. I mean it might be to you, but there are families of victims who have expressed relief, even joy and other positive feelings towards a predator being executed.

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Crono99 posted...

Power can be misused. Why risk the government having a power that is unnecessary just to satisfy a lust for vengeance?

The death penalty doesn't keep the general public any safer from murderers than plain old life in prison does.

COs have to deal with their dangerous asses. Also its not no body has ever escaped before. There is literally a inmate in North carolina that is so good at escape they keep him locked down 23 hours a day and check on him every hour (waking him up if asleep as he used a dummy in a bed to escape one) to make sure hes still there.

On one escape he managed to live in the walls of a toys r us for over a month until a daring robbery attempt went wrong and he had to flee.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Closure isnt meaningless. I mean it might be to you, but there are families of victims who have expressed relief, even joy and other positive feelings towards a predator being executed.

Yeah, but it didnt bring their loved one back. Also, theres too many people who have been exonerated from deathrow

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hockeybub89 posted...

Is this an epidemic in prison?

Wouldn't call it a epidemic but it happens. Woman who was supposedly a noce guard to inmatea got her head bashed in with a fire extinguisher in my state. Another guy coulda died at my unit cause he got stabbed like ten times just apparently he was the wrong fucker to try and kill as he managed despite this to gain the upperhand take down the inmate and cuff him.

Inmate last night got his head caved in with a rock in a pillow case by a gang banger. Hes alive but he had have staples put in his head.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Closure isnt meaningless. I mean it might be to you, but there are families of victims who have expressed relief, even joy and other positive feelings towards a predator being executed.

And the criminal probably expressed joy when he was commiting his murder so its OK and he shouldn't have been locked up in the first place

Crono99 posted...

Death penalty gives the government a power it shouldn't have imo

agreed

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I'm pro choice, so if they decide to die, let them.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Closure isnt meaningless. I mean it might be to you, but there are families of victims who have expressed relief, even joy and other positive feelings towards a predator being executed.

there are just as many who have said they felt empty after it happened and that it didn't help anything

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Closure isnt meaningless. I mean it might be to you, but there are families of victims who have expressed relief, even joy and other positive feelings towards a predator being executed.

People who feel joy about someone being executed are psychopaths.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

People who feel joy about someone being executed are psychopaths.

Are they though? What about people like Stalin or Hitler? Would it have made everyone during that time period a psychopath if they expressed joy to see or hear about them being executed?

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lolno.

Which countries still have it? That should be answer enough, if you don't buy any of the rest.

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Funkydog posted...

lolno.

Which countries still have it? That should be answer enough, if you don't buy any of the rest.

almost all first world nations have done away with it. nations with the death penalty are like 95% third world countries or dictatorships. the only first world, democratic nations I am aware of that still do it, are US and Japan. And I don't think Japan does it anywhere near as often as we do

justaguy3492 posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates

As long as that list exists, no it should not be legal.

This should be the end of the discussion right here. Better that guilty men get to live out their lives than an innocent one be put to death.

Couple with the exorbitant cost of an execution (far beyond the cost of keeping someone incarcerated for the rest of their life), and the death penalty does not make sense from a moral, ethical or practical standpoint.

Ryvell posted...

This should be the end of the discussion right here. Better that guilty men get to live out their lives than an innocent one be put to death.

Couple with the exorbitant cost of an execution (far beyond the cost of keeping someone incarcerated for the rest of their life), and the death penalty does not make sense from a moral, ethical or practical standpoint.

I'm convinced the only reason the death penalty still exists is due to politicians being too scared to look "soft on crime" if they try to ban it

Zikten posted...

I'm convinced the only reason the death penalty still exists is due to politicians being too scared to look "soft on crime" if they try to ban it

Absolutely. It's a safer political move just to leave it alone.

Zikten posted...

almost all first world nations have done away with it. nations with the death penalty are like 95% third world countries or dictatorships. the only first world, democratic nations I am aware of that still do it, are US and Japan. And I don't think Japan does it anywhere near as often as we do

My point exactly. All the other "western" countries no longer have it, save America (and Japan I guess, but I had thought they got rid of it as well tbh) and it baffles me that it remains such a strong political point to be for it in America.

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Giving the government legal power to kill its own citizens is insane.

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Ryvell posted...

This should be the end of the discussion right here. Better that guilty men get to live out their lives than an innocent one be put to death.

Couple with the exorbitant cost of an execution (far beyond the cost of keeping someone incarcerated for the rest of their life), and the death penalty does not make sense from a moral, ethical or practical standpoint.

I do feel it should only be used when there is absolutely no doubt the person is guilty.

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mooreandrew58 posted...

I do feel it should only be used when there is absolutely no doubt the person is guilty.

And how do you determine "absolutely no doubt"? A conviction in criminal court is only supposed to occur if their guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and yet mistakes are made.

Ryvell posted...

And how do you determine "absolutely no doubt"? A conviction in criminal court is only supposed to occur if their guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, and yet mistakes are made.

I mean like there is like literally video evidence or something similar. I mean where its literally impossible they are innocent. Death penalties would be rare with this. But some people don't deserve to live but i can agree I dont like risking executing innocents either.

For example though there is plenty of video footage of prisoners killing or attempting to kill someone in prison. I feel like that video footage is enough to say yeah he did it and he needs to be put down.

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