Current Events > this hong kong business rubs me the wrong way and i am highly suspicious of it

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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:05:38 PM
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honestly reminds me of CIAs involvement in the iranian coup
something about protestors in foreign countries that have never been american or even semi american waving american flags yelling about democracy rubs me the wrong way.. why arent they at least waving british flags?
plus the media almost never talks about the bad things the protestors do, whereas thats a major deal to them when groups like BLM or alt-righters destroy stuff while protesting
the amount of 100% overwhelming support for them from the media doesnt sit right with me
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pls
10/19/19 10:06:25 PM
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Yet another China shill.

Shut the fuck up.
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
10/19/19 10:06:42 PM
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the thing about incidents like this is the usual suspects use it to troll
so we know not to treat them as serious accounts when they post normally
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Garioshi
10/19/19 10:07:16 PM
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Are HK protesters waving American flags?
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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:08:09 PM
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pls posted...
Yet another China shill.

Shut the fuck up.

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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
the thing about incidents like this is the usual suspects use it to troll
so we know not to treat them as serious accounts when they post normally

nice argument
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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:08:49 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Are HK protesters waving American flags?

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/hong-kong-protesters-wave-american-flags-asking-for-help/
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FrozenXylophone
10/19/19 10:14:12 PM
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Britian doesn't represent freedom like America does.

Cause Britain didn't free itself from an empire, but America did.

Oddly enough, that same empire America freed itself from once had Hong Kong under it's grasp.
Are you unaware of this history tc?
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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:16:48 PM
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FrozenXylophone posted...
Britian doesn't represent freedom like America does.

Cause Britain didn't free itself from an empire, but America did.

Oddly enough, that same empire America freed itself from once had Ho g Kong under it's grasp.
Are you unaware of this history tc?

what do they expect america to do
go to war with china? that would destroy hong kong anyways
america has no debt to or history in hong kong
america isnt even free, the only true free country is somalia
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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:20:06 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup
for people who dont know what im talkin about
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Blighboy
10/19/19 10:24:47 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup
for people who dont know what im talkin about

Is anybody seriously not aware of the whole Iran fuckup?

But I don't think the situations are comparable. For all his tough talk, the mango in chief clearly does not care about the people of Hong Kong. He went out of his way to throw the Kurds under the bus just this week, he's not lifting a finger for a group that is far less integral to US foreign policy.

There are definitely protesters in Hong Kong who strongly identify with Americans and are deliberately broadcasting that message to gain sympathy abroad. But I don't think that's reflective of any direct interference by the United States. There's a lot of direct evidence for mainland China's role in inciting violence from within the protests, for example, but we've had nothing comparable that shows any American influence.
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Unit7
10/19/19 10:25:33 PM
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Well they are only in this position because the United Kingdom pretty much gave them to China...

Im not entirely sure about the history between Hong Kong and The UK... but I cant imagine there is much love for them because of it.
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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:27:36 PM
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Unit7 posted...
Well they are only in this position because the United Kingdom pretty much gave them to China...

Im not entirely sure about the history between Hong Kong and The UK... but I cant imagine there is much love for them because of it.

you are very uninformed and dont know what youre talking about
uk didnt "give them to china" they rented hong kong for 99 years and time ran out in 1999
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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:29:51 PM
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Blighboy posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup
for people who dont know what im talkin about

Is anybody seriously not aware of the whole Iran fuckup?

But I don't think the situations are comparable. For all his tough talk, the mango in chief clearly does not care about the people of Hong Kong. He went out of his way to throw the Kurds under the bus just this week, he's not lifting a finger for a group that is far less integral to US foreign policy.

There are definitely protesters in Hong Kong who strongly identify with Americans and are deliberately broadcasting that message to gain sympathy abroad. But I don't think that's reflective of any direct interference by the United States. There's a lot of direct evidence for mainland China's role in inciting violence from within the protests, for example, but we've had nothing comparable that shows any American influence.

the american media is heavily shilling for the protestors way harder than they ever shill for american protestors
and what direct evidence. I havent seen any
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Paper_Okami
10/19/19 10:30:37 PM
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FrozenXylophone posted...
but America did.


America is the empire now

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FrozenXylophone
10/19/19 10:32:14 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
FrozenXylophone posted...
but America did.


America is the empire now


Nope.
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Paper_Okami
10/19/19 10:33:32 PM
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FrozenXylophone posted...
Nope.


it factually is

unless you are willfully ignorant
south america
cambodia
vietnam
indonesia
the middle east

america's vile claws are everywhere

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Blighboy
10/19/19 10:37:09 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
and what direct evidence. I havent seen any

Chinese cops going undercover as protesters and starting fights, or paying civilian and criminal groups to start fights with the protesters. Been spread pretty widely. I'm not gonna go argue that all protester violence was started by the cops (it very obviously hasn't been) but at the same time there are well documented instances of the cops trying to incite violence within the protest. There's nothing similar featuring Americans.
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COVxy
10/19/19 10:41:52 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...

Your whole schtick is gross and you should feel bad.

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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:42:58 PM
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Blighboy posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
and what direct evidence. I havent seen any

Chinese cops going undercover as protesters and starting fights, or paying civilian and criminal groups to start fights with the protesters. Been spread pretty widely. I'm not gonna go argue that all protester violence was started by the cops (it very obviously hasn't been) but at the same time there are well documented instances of the cops trying to incite violence within the protest. There's nothing similar featuring Americans.

I can buy it but i still think America is doing the same
COVxy posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...

Your whole schtick is gross and you should feel bad.

What is my shtick
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COVxy
10/19/19 10:50:19 PM
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The whole "i'm just a rational liberal pushing all these right wing points" thing.

"Just asking questions"

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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:53:32 PM
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COVxy posted...
The whole "i'm just a rational liberal pushing all these right wing points" thing.

Im not a liberal and the western right supports Hong Kong. not only that but Hong Kong is one of the most capitalist countries on earth
youre not really making sense here, I think you might have me confused with someone else
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COVxy
10/19/19 10:55:27 PM
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K.

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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:56:57 PM
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Baathism and dengism are not right wing so you must be confused
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk
10/19/19 10:59:08 PM
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I miss the days when youre gimmick was just being a neet in canada
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Ryuko_Chan
10/19/19 10:59:43 PM
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RdVEHfJqAvUPIbk posted...
I miss the days when youre gimmick was just being a neet in canada

thats still my gimmick
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EvenSpoonier
10/19/19 11:09:45 PM
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A certain degree of skepticism is always healthy, but one muat remember to apply that skepticism fairly, in accordance with known information. Even in the age of Trump, there are still a few even less trustworthy governments in this world than that of the US, and while the Chinese government is not quite at the head of the list (that's probably North Korea), that isn't for lack of trying, and they're certainly on the short-short list nearest the top.

Is the CIA meddling in Hong Kong, as they are known to have meddled in foreign governments decades ago? I actually don't think so. They want to -I've got no doubts there- but I think that Trump has not only been ordering them down, but also destroying their capacity to do so, at the CCP's behest.
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NES4EVER
10/19/19 11:15:29 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
you are very uninformed and dont know what youre talking about
uk didnt "give them to china" they rented hong kong for 99 years and time ran out in 1999


1997

It was also granted autonomy under the handover agreement. The actions of the Chinese government are undermining this autonomy. I believe the full transition to China as a non autonomous region is supposed to take place in 2047.

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konokonohamaru
10/19/19 11:30:04 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
why arent they at least waving british flags?


Coz America f*** yeah!

But honestly, America is much more a symbol of democracy around the world, and also seen as a direct rival of China
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Ryuko_Chan
10/20/19 9:19:50 PM
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bump
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Guide
10/20/19 9:23:17 PM
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American media is plastered all over the world, the fuck does Britain have, a less popular version of The Office?
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