Sony Spider-man negotiations

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Darmik 08/21/19 12:32:13 AM #1:	https://tinyurl.com/y2ufxesx There is a lot of webbing here, but it all comes down to money, and its easy to understand why both sides refused to give ground. Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe. Sony turned that offer down flat. Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didnt want to do that. But Sony did not want to share its biggest franchise. Sure Disney would be putting up half the funding, but the risk is in how much you are going to make back in profit. Disney wasnt at all interested in continuing the current terms where Marvel receives in the range of 5% of first dollar gross, sources said. Much of todays news about Spider-Man has mischaracterized recent discussions about Kevin Feiges involvement in the franchise. We are disappointed, but respect Disneys decision not to have him continue as a lead producer of our next live action Spider-Man film, A Sony spokesperson said. We hope this might change in the future, but understand that the many new responsibilities that Disney has given him including all their newly added Marvel properties do not allow time for him to work on IP they do not own. Kevin is terrific and we are grateful for his help and guidance and appreciate the path he has helped put us on, which we will continue. All Sony wants is to keep using Kevin Feige. . Disney wants 50/50 cut along with creative control over all Spider-man movies. So say bye to any more animated Spider-Verse movies or stuff like Spider-Gwen in that agreement. All of that for Sony to use Kevin Feige. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926341238] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>https://tinyurl.com/y2ufxesx <quote>There is a lot of webbing here, but it all comes down to money, and its easy to understand why both sides refused to give ground. Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe. Sony turned that offer down flat. Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didnt want to do that. But Sony did not want to share its biggest franchise. Sure Disney would be putting up half the funding, but the risk is in how much you are going to make back in profit. Disney wasnt at all interested in continuing the current terms where Marvel receives in the range of 5% of first dollar gross, sources said.</quote> <quote>Much of todays news about Spider-Man has mischaracterized recent discussions about Kevin Feiges involvement in the franchise. We are disappointed, but respect Disneys decision not to have him continue as a lead producer of our next live action Spider-Man film, A Sony spokesperson said. We hope this might change in the future, but understand that the many new responsibilities that Disney has given him including all their newly added Marvel properties do not allow time for him to work on IP they do not own. Kevin is terrific and we are grateful for his help and guidance and appreciate the path he has helped put us on, which we will continue.</quote> All Sony wants is to keep using Kevin Feige. . Disney wants 50/50 cut along with creative control over all Spider-man movies. So say bye to any more animated Spider-Verse movies or stuff like Spider-Gwen in that agreement. All of that for Sony to use Kevin Feige.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 08/21/19 12:33:28 AM #2:	sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:926341276] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 12:34:39 AM #3:	DarthAragorn posted... sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though Do you think Kevin Feige single handedly creates every single Marvel movie? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926341307] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though</quote> Do you think Kevin Feige single handedly creates every single Marvel movie?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/21/19 12:36:57 AM #4:	Yeah I think 50% is way too high for Disney (I think 20%-25% is more reasonable) but I don't think it's exactly right that Sony takes the vast majority of the profits considering what Marvel adds to it. Though to be honest, I'm not sure how the cost of the films is divvied up. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:926341365] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I think 50% is way too high for Disney (I think 20%-25% is more reasonable) but I don't think it's exactly right that Sony takes the vast majority of the profits considering what Marvel adds to it. Though to be honest, I'm not sure how the cost of the films is divvied up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 12:48:15 AM #5:	It sounds like Sony does most of the grunt work. Kevin Feige helps them integrate Sony's movies into the MCU which gives Sony a boost while Disney benefits in their Avengers movies and merchandise. I think the impression that Sony does nothing and Disney does all the work is false. Sony still hired the writers and directors. They had a mutually beneficial relationship that was going to crumble when one got greedy. In this case it's Disney. I expected it to be Sony with Venom but that doesn't seem to be the case. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926341668] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>It sounds like Sony does most of the grunt work. Kevin Feige helps them integrate Sony's movies into the MCU which gives Sony a boost while Disney benefits in their Avengers movies and merchandise. I think the impression that Sony does nothing and Disney does all the work is false. Sony still hired the writers and directors. They had a mutually beneficial relationship that was going to crumble when one got greedy. In this case it's Disney. I expected it to be Sony with Venom but that doesn't seem to be the case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banjo2553 08/21/19 12:49:38 AM #6:	DarthAragorn posted... sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though That's cute, thinking Sony had no hand in making the movies. The only person from Marvel involved in the movies was Kevin Feige. Everything else, from actors to directors and writers, was Sony's doing. Feige just helped them on the right path. The initial deal was sound, Disney just got way too greedy. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>Banjo2553 posted [p:926341707] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though</quote> That's cute, thinking Sony had no hand in making the movies. The only person from Marvel involved in the movies was Kevin Feige. Everything else, from actors to directors and writers, was Sony's doing. Feige just helped them on the right path. The initial deal was sound, Disney just got way too greedy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 08/21/19 12:53:56 AM #7:	This has spread across three or four topics, so I can't find the specific post to quote it, but Darmik was right when he said Sony getting 50% of the MCU Spider-Man profits would make ASM2 a financial success by comparison. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:926341819] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>This has spread across three or four topics, so I can't find the specific post to quote it, but Darmik was right when he said Sony getting 50% of the MCU Spider-Man profits would make ASM2 a financial success by comparison.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MwarriorHiei 08/21/19 1:08:04 AM #8:	DarthAragorn posted... sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though the other topics say that sony pays 100% of production costs and disney has the rights for all merchandise. if true, then sony should be getting 95% to be tbh. maybe more. --- http://i.imgtc.com/gkielsd.jpg <cite>MwarriorHiei posted [p:926342247] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though</quote> the other topics say that sony pays 100% of production costs and disney has the rights for all merchandise. if true, then sony should be getting 95% to be tbh. maybe more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 08/21/19 1:21:11 AM #9:	DarthAragorn posted... sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though This is a horrible take --- I use Gameraven and you should too. "I don't f****** care about anyone's penis but mine..." - Machete <cite>teepan95 posted [p:926342569] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarthAragorn posted...</cite> <quote>sony wanting 95% for doing nothing is pretty shit too though</quote> This is a horrible take</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/21/19 1:27:35 AM #10:	Darmik posted... 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926342720] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios,</quote> Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 08/21/19 1:28:19 AM #11:	We know, Disney is always the bad guy --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:926342746] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>We know, Disney is always the bad guy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 1:30:12 AM #12:	Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually. They don't need financing. Say goodbye to any non-MCU Spider-man movies with that agreement too. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926342798] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios,</quote> Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually.</quote> They don't need financing. Say goodbye to any non-MCU Spider-man movies with that agreement too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/21/19 1:33:46 AM #13:	Darmik posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually. They don't need financing. Say goodbye to any non-MCU Spider-man movies with that agreement too. Uh they'd most likely make more money with a 50/50 split of financing --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926342888] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, </quote> Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually.</quote> They don't need financing. Say goodbye to any non-MCU Spider-man movies with that agreement too.</quote> Uh they'd most likely make more money with a 50/50 split of financing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/21/19 1:36:42 AM #14:	Disney came to the bargaining table with a big bid to be brought down on negotiations. Sony refused to negotiate because Sony are morons. Disney is not the villain at all. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926342958] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Disney came to the bargaining table with a big bid to be brought down on negotiations. Sony refused to negotiate because Sony are morons. Disney is not the villain at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 1:37:16 AM #15:	Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually. They don't need financing. Say goodbye to any non-MCU Spider-man movies with that agreement too. Uh they'd most likely make more money with a 50/50 split of financing They would be losing a ton of profit and they would also likely lose the ability to make any Spider-man movie they want without Disney. So no they wouldn't. Also we've literally seen how Disney handles characters they don't have film distribution rights for but have control over the character. He's called the Hulk and he'll never have a solo movie again because of it. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926342971] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, </quote> Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually.</quote> They don't need financing. Say goodbye to any non-MCU Spider-man movies with that agreement too.</quote> Uh they'd most likely make more money with a 50/50 split of financing</quote> They would be losing a ton of profit and they would also likely lose the ability to make any Spider-man movie they want without Disney. So no they wouldn't. Also we've literally seen how Disney handles characters they don't have film distribution rights for but have control over the character. He's called the Hulk and he'll never have a solo movie again because of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 08/21/19 1:37:36 AM #16:	No, they wouldn't, because Disney still gets all the merchandising profits. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:926342981] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>No, they wouldn't, because Disney still gets all the merchandising profits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 1:39:03 AM #17:	OctilIery posted... Disney came to the bargaining table with a big bid to be brought down on negotiations. Sony refused to negotiate because Sony are morons. Disney is not the villain at all. Darmik posted... Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe. Sony turned that offer down flat. Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didnt want to do that. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926343011] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Disney came to the bargaining table with a big bid to be brought down on negotiations. Sony refused to negotiate because Sony are morons. Disney is not the villain at all.</quote> Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe. Sony turned that offer down flat. Sources said that Sony, led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, came back with other configurations, but Disney didnt want to do that.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 08/21/19 1:39:07 AM #18:	i mean sure, sony probably did most of the grunt work for the two spidey movies but how much were they involved with civil war, the movie that put mcu spidey on the map and created immense hype for the standalone movies to begin with(and obv continued with avengers) which is something that sony alone hasn't been able to do for years? edit: far from home cost $160m + whatever marketing budget(being a sequel to endgame the movie probably sold itself) and already passed $1b while ASM2 cost 200-300m + whatever marketing budget and only got $700m at the BO. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:926343012] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>i mean sure, sony probably did most of the grunt work for the two spidey movies but how much were they involved with civil war, the movie that put mcu spidey on the map and created immense hype for the standalone movies to begin with(and obv continued with avengers) which is something that sony alone hasn't been able to do for years? edit: far from home cost $160m + whatever marketing budget(being a sequel to endgame the movie probably sold itself) and already passed $1b while ASM2 cost 200-300m + whatever marketing budget and only got $700m at the BO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/21/19 1:39:56 AM #19:	Darmik posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually. They don't need financing. Say goodbye to any non-MCU Spider-man movies with that agreement too. Uh they'd most likely make more money with a 50/50 split of financing They would be losing a ton of profit and they would also likely lose the ability to make any Spider-man movie they want without Disney. So no they wouldn't. Also we've literally seen how Disney handles characters they don't have film distribution rights for but have control over the character. He's called the Hulk and he'll never have a solo movie again because of it. Hulk doesnt have a solo movie because they do not have the full rights to it. Has nothing to do with creative reasons. And that would not be the case with Spiderman. So that's bullshit. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926343035] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, </quote> Sounds like a sweet fucking deal actually. </quote> They don't need financing. Say goodbye to any non-MCU Spider-man movies with that agreement too. </quote> Uh they'd most likely make more money with a 50/50 split of financing</quote> They would be losing a ton of profit and they would also likely lose the ability to make any Spider-man movie they want without Disney. So no they wouldn't. Also we've literally seen how Disney handles characters they don't have film distribution rights for but have control over the character. He's called the Hulk and he'll never have a solo movie again because of it.</quote> Hulk doesnt have a solo movie because they do not have the full rights to it. Has nothing to do with creative reasons. And that would not be the case with Spiderman. So that's bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/21/19 1:40:21 AM #20:	AsucaHayashi posted... i mean sure, sony probably did most of the grunt work for the two spidey movies but how much were they involved with civil war, the movie that put mcu spidey on the map and created immense hype for the standalone movies to begin with(and obv continued with avengers) which is something that sony alone hasn't been able to do for years? Sony did next to no work for either movie. They paid for it, that's it. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926343043] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>AsucaHayashi posted...</cite> <quote>i mean sure, sony probably did most of the grunt work for the two spidey movies but how much were they involved with civil war, the movie that put mcu spidey on the map and created immense hype for the standalone movies to begin with(and obv continued with avengers) which is something that sony alone hasn't been able to do for years?</quote> Sony did next to no work for either movie. They paid for it, that's it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 1:41:17 AM #21:	AsucaHayashi posted... i mean sure, sony probably did most of the grunt work for the two spidey movies but how much were they involved with civil war, the movie that put mcu spidey on the map and created immense hype for the standalone movies to begin with(and obv continued with avengers) which is something that sony alone hasn't been able to do for years? Amy Pascal was one of the people who picked Tom Holland. But again this was all part of the pitch from Disney to Sony. Civil War also benefitted from having Spider-man. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926343075] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>AsucaHayashi posted...</cite> <quote>i mean sure, sony probably did most of the grunt work for the two spidey movies but how much were they involved with civil war, the movie that put mcu spidey on the map and created immense hype for the standalone movies to begin with(and obv continued with avengers) which is something that sony alone hasn't been able to do for years?</quote> Amy Pascal was one of the people who picked Tom Holland. But again this was all part of the pitch from Disney to Sony. Civil War also benefitted from having Spider-man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 08/21/19 1:42:28 AM #22:	That article was written by someone very close to Sony and the higher ups there, so obviously it is pretty biased against Disney. Add in Tom Rothman being the head of Sony, who completely destroyed X-Men and Fantastic 4 while at Fox, and I highly doubt Sony is being the noble one here. They think they don't need Marvel anymore now that Venom and Into the Spiderverse were hits. --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:926343099] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>That article was written by someone very close to Sony and the higher ups there, so obviously it is pretty biased against Disney. Add in Tom Rothman being the head of Sony, who completely destroyed X-Men and Fantastic 4 while at Fox, and I highly doubt Sony is being the noble one here. They think they don't need Marvel anymore now that Venom and Into the Spiderverse were hits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 1:42:44 AM #23:	Smashingpmkns posted... Hulk doesnt have a solo movie because they do not have the full rights to it. Has nothing to do with creative reasons. And that would not be the case with Spiderman. So that's bulls*. Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. OctilIery posted... Sony did next to no work for either movie. They paid for it, that's it. Wrong --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926343102] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Hulk doesnt have a solo movie because they do not have the full rights to it. Has nothing to do with creative reasons. And that would not be the case with Spiderman. So that's bulls*.</quote> Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Sony did next to no work for either movie. They paid for it, that's it.</quote> Wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LockeMonster 08/21/19 1:43:00 AM #24:	It's weird how diehard TC geta with the contrarian opinion on these things. Enough to make yet another topic when he could have just added it to the other 5 he's posting in. 50/50 co-financing is not a bad deal because it amounts to the same amount put in by both parties and then put out. There's no guarantee Sony alone can hit the same numbers as the MCU Spider-Man is hitting right now. It's dumb to defend Sony on this when ultimately the characters belong to Disney and these studios, like others mentioned in other topics, fuck up and reboot just to maintain the rights. --- "Scranton is great, but New York is like Scranton on acid. No, on speed. Nah. On steroids." FC: 3282-3258-0224 <cite>LockeMonster posted [p:926343112] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>It's weird how diehard TC geta with the contrarian opinion on these things. Enough to make yet another topic when he could have just added it to the other 5 he's posting in. 50/50 co-financing is not a bad deal because it amounts to the same amount put in by both parties and then put out. There's no guarantee Sony alone can hit the same numbers as the MCU Spider-Man is hitting right now. It's dumb to defend Sony on this when ultimately the characters belong to Disney and these studios, like others mentioned in other topics, fuck up and reboot just to maintain the rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/21/19 1:43:06 AM #25:	Fact of the matter is Sony is concerned about losing out on money on the table that doesnt exist for them and it will end up fucking them and the audience. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926343117] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Fact of the matter is Sony is concerned about losing out on money on the table that doesnt exist for them and it will end up fucking them and the audience.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 08/21/19 1:43:10 AM #26:	Darmik posted... Wrong Nope. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:926343120] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Wrong</quote> Nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 08/21/19 1:43:17 AM #27:	Darmik posted... Civil War also benefitted from having Spider-man. it's almost guaranteed the movie would have done at least as well with or without spidey. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:926343122] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Civil War also benefitted from having Spider-man.</quote> it's almost guaranteed the movie would have done at least as well with or without spidey.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 1:44:03 AM #28:	AngelsNAirwav3s posted... That article was written by someone very close to Sony and the higher ups there, so obviously it is pretty biased against Disney. Add in Tom Rothman being the head of Sony, who completely destroyed X-Men and Fantastic 4 while at Fox, and I highly doubt Sony is being the noble one here. They think they don't need Marvel anymore now that Venom and Into the Spiderverse were hits. All sources indicate that Sony want to continue the existing arrangement and Disney want 50/50. I'm not sure how you could spin that into Disney being the noble one. It worked out for everyone. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926343137] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted...</cite> <quote>That article was written by someone very close to Sony and the higher ups there, so obviously it is pretty biased against Disney. Add in Tom Rothman being the head of Sony, who completely destroyed X-Men and Fantastic 4 while at Fox, and I highly doubt Sony is being the noble one here. They think they don't need Marvel anymore now that Venom and Into the Spiderverse were hits.</quote> All sources indicate that Sony want to continue the existing arrangement and Disney want 50/50. I'm not sure how you could spin that into Disney being the noble one. It worked out for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/21/19 1:44:08 AM #29:	yeah sony hired the writers and did all the work involving mcu properties and characters to make up their storylines that relied upon them! lmfao @ "it was just kevin feige bro" --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926343140] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>yeah sony hired the writers and did all the work involving mcu properties and characters to make up their storylines that relied upon them! lmfao @ "it was just kevin feige bro"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/21/19 1:44:13 AM #30:	Darmik posted... Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. Wtf that isnt your point lol and that's not Sony's goal. All they're concerned about is money. And at the end of the day Sony will not be able to provide a better product than the MCU. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926343142] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. </quote> Wtf that isnt your point lol and that's not Sony's goal. All they're concerned about is money. And at the end of the day Sony will not be able to provide a better product than the MCU.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 1:46:38 AM #31:	Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. Wtf that isnt your point lol and that's not Sony's goal. All they're concerned about is money. And at the end of the day Sony will not be able to provide a better product than the MCU. They're both concerned about money. Sony is happy with what they got. Disney wants more or they're done. So Disney by default is the reason the existing deal fell apart. Whatever option leads to better products is irrelevant here. That's not what this is about. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926343187] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. </quote> Wtf that isnt your point lol and that's not Sony's goal. All they're concerned about is money. And at the end of the day Sony will not be able to provide a better product than the MCU.</quote> They're both concerned about money. Sony is happy with what they got. Disney wants more or they're done. So Disney by default is the reason the existing deal fell apart. Whatever option leads to better products is irrelevant here. That's not what this is about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 08/21/19 1:47:13 AM #32:	Darmik posted... Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. Lmao. They've been giving fans what they want so far, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:926343198] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. </quote> Lmao. They've been giving fans what they want so far, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 08/21/19 1:47:54 AM #33:	Darmik posted... AngelsNAirwav3s posted... That article was written by someone very close to Sony and the higher ups there, so obviously it is pretty biased against Disney. Add in Tom Rothman being the head of Sony, who completely destroyed X-Men and Fantastic 4 while at Fox, and I highly doubt Sony is being the noble one here. They think they don't need Marvel anymore now that Venom and Into the Spiderverse were hits. All sources indicate that Sony want to continue the existing arrangement and Disney want 50/50. I'm not sure how you could spin that into Disney being the noble one. It worked out for everyone. There is only one source, which is the author from Deadline, who has personal relationships with the Sony execs, so he is biased. --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:926343223] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted...</cite> <quote>That article was written by someone very close to Sony and the higher ups there, so obviously it is pretty biased against Disney. Add in Tom Rothman being the head of Sony, who completely destroyed X-Men and Fantastic 4 while at Fox, and I highly doubt Sony is being the noble one here. They think they don't need Marvel anymore now that Venom and Into the Spiderverse were hits.</quote> All sources indicate that Sony want to continue the existing arrangement and Disney want 50/50. I'm not sure how you could spin that into Disney being the noble one. It worked out for everyone.</quote> There is only one source, which is the author from Deadline, who has personal relationships with the Sony execs, so he is biased.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 1:51:16 AM #34:	DoctorVader posted... Darmik posted... Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. Lmao. They've been giving fans what they want so far, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The people behind Marvel Studios aren't a part of negotiations here. This isn't their call. I'm talking about the executives/overlords negotiating. If it were up to the people actually behind these movies none of this would be an issue. What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926343289] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. </quote> Lmao. They've been giving fans what they want so far, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.</quote> The people behind Marvel Studios aren't a part of negotiations here. This isn't their call. I'm talking about the executives/overlords negotiating. If it were up to the people actually behind these movies none of this would be an issue. What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/21/19 1:52:55 AM #35:	What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening. Who pulled the plug on the deal again? --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926343310] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><quote>What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening.</quote> Who pulled the plug on the deal again?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 1:53:35 AM #36:	MichaelKaySeeYa posted... What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening. Who pulled the plug on the deal again? Disney --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926343325] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote><quote>What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening.</quote> Who pulled the plug on the deal again?</quote> Disney</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SailorGoon 08/21/19 1:54:30 AM #37:	LockeMonster posted... It's weird how diehard TC geta with the contrarian opinion on these things. Enough to make yet another topic when he could have just added it to the other 5 he's posting in. 50/50 co-financing is not a bad deal because it amounts to the same amount put in by both parties and then put out. There's no guarantee Sony alone can hit the same numbers as the MCU Spider-Man is hitting right now. It's dumb to defend Sony on this when ultimately the characters belong to Disney and these studios, like others mentioned in other topics, fuck up and reboot just to maintain the rights. I don't see how it's such a good deal. It's not equal like people make it want to seem. 50/50 co-financing and profits except when it comes to literally any other non solo spidey film and merchandising and creative freedoms/control. All of this deal heavily leads in Disneys favor more than Sony's. Disney is wealthy enough as it is owning almost every other property pertaining to Marvel now that they have fox. --- Me irl: https://i.imgtc.ws/DaWXgKp.png <cite>SailorGoon posted [p:926343343] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>LockeMonster posted...</cite> <quote>It's weird how diehard TC geta with the contrarian opinion on these things. Enough to make yet another topic when he could have just added it to the other 5 he's posting in. 50/50 co-financing is not a bad deal because it amounts to the same amount put in by both parties and then put out. There's no guarantee Sony alone can hit the same numbers as the MCU Spider-Man is hitting right now. It's dumb to defend Sony on this when ultimately the characters belong to Disney and these studios, like others mentioned in other topics, fuck up and reboot just to maintain the rights.</quote> I don't see how it's such a good deal. It's not equal like people make it want to seem. 50/50 co-financing and profits except when it comes to literally any other non solo spidey film and merchandising and creative freedoms/control. All of this deal heavily leads in Disneys favor more than Sony's. Disney is wealthy enough as it is owning almost every other property pertaining to Marvel now that they have fox.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/21/19 1:57:01 AM #38:	Darmik posted... Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. Sony is the same way but Disney is essentially run by human-shaped robots made out of business suits. They don't care about their own product, only investor reports. Sony at least has a sense of pride in their work. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:926343387] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care.</quote>Sony is the same way but Disney is essentially run by human-shaped robots made out of business suits. They don't care about their own product, only investor reports. Sony at least has a sense of pride in their work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 08/21/19 1:57:34 AM #39:	Darmik posted... The people behind Marvel Studios aren't a part of negotiations here. This isn't their call. I'm talking about the executives/overlords negotiating. If it were up to the people actually behind these movies none of this would be an issue. What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening. What? These executives are the ones that have greenlit everything so far to happen how it has. Like others have said, trying to get more money out of a property you ultimately own because Sony is being a bitch and playing hardball is not wrong. Sony is literally trying to hold it hostage because they can and made ASM simply to maintain these rights. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:926343398] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>The people behind Marvel Studios aren't a part of negotiations here. This isn't their call. I'm talking about the executives/overlords negotiating. If it were up to the people actually behind these movies none of this would be an issue. What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening.</quote> What? These executives are the ones that have greenlit everything so far to happen how it has. Like others have said, trying to get more money out of a property you ultimately own because Sony is being a bitch and playing hardball is not wrong. Sony is literally trying to hold it hostage because they can and made ASM simply to maintain these rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 08/21/19 2:00:48 AM #40:	Darmik posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Darmik posted... Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. Wtf that isnt your point lol and that's not Sony's goal. All they're concerned about is money. And at the end of the day Sony will not be able to provide a better product than the MCU. They're both concerned about money. Sony is happy with what they got. Disney wants more or they're done. So Disney by default is the reason the existing deal fell apart. Whatever option leads to better products is irrelevant here. That's not what this is about. You jump back and forth between the monetary gain from these movies and that Marvel isn't the only brand that is able to make a quality comic movie so I call bull shit again. You're arguing for a greedy company to take rights for monetary gain over what is artistically better and what is better for the audience. that's some shit man. You're better than that usually. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:926343473] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> Exactly my point. Disney doesn't care about giving fans what they want. They are not the good guys. They are in it to make money. They know it's a bad deal for Sony. They don't care. </quote> Wtf that isnt your point lol and that's not Sony's goal. All they're concerned about is money. And at the end of the day Sony will not be able to provide a better product than the MCU.</quote> They're both concerned about money. Sony is happy with what they got. Disney wants more or they're done. So Disney by default is the reason the existing deal fell apart. Whatever option leads to better products is irrelevant here. That's not what this is about.</quote> You jump back and forth between the monetary gain from these movies and that Marvel isn't the only brand that is able to make a quality comic movie so I call bull shit again. You're arguing for a greedy company to take rights for monetary gain over what is artistically better and what is better for the audience. that's some shit man. You're better than that usually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LockeMonster 08/21/19 2:01:43 AM #41:	SailorGoon posted... LockeMonster posted... It's weird how diehard TC geta with the contrarian opinion on these things. Enough to make yet another topic when he could have just added it to the other 5 he's posting in. 50/50 co-financing is not a bad deal because it amounts to the same amount put in by both parties and then put out. There's no guarantee Sony alone can hit the same numbers as the MCU Spider-Man is hitting right now. It's dumb to defend Sony on this when ultimately the characters belong to Disney and these studios, like others mentioned in other topics, fuck up and reboot just to maintain the rights. I don't see how it's such a good deal. It's not equal like people make it want to seem. 50/50 co-financing and profits except when it comes to literally any other non solo spidey film and merchandising and creative freedoms/control. All of this deal heavily leads in Disneys favor more than Sony's. Disney is wealthy enough as it is owning almost every other property pertaining to Marvel now that they have fox. Disney owns Spider-Man. Like Doctor Vader just pointed out, it's Sony being a bitch with rights they bought from Marvel when they qere dying. Hoping to get more money out of your shit while laying out the groundwork that is making it successful for Sony is not wrong. --- "Scranton is great, but New York is like Scranton on acid. No, on speed. Nah. On steroids." FC: 3282-3258-0224 <cite>LockeMonster posted [p:926343491] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>SailorGoon posted...</cite> <quote>LockeMonster posted...</cite> <quote>It's weird how diehard TC geta with the contrarian opinion on these things. Enough to make yet another topic when he could have just added it to the other 5 he's posting in. 50/50 co-financing is not a bad deal because it amounts to the same amount put in by both parties and then put out. There's no guarantee Sony alone can hit the same numbers as the MCU Spider-Man is hitting right now. It's dumb to defend Sony on this when ultimately the characters belong to Disney and these studios, like others mentioned in other topics, fuck up and reboot just to maintain the rights.</quote> I don't see how it's such a good deal. It's not equal like people make it want to seem. 50/50 co-financing and profits except when it comes to literally any other non solo spidey film and merchandising and creative freedoms/control. All of this deal heavily leads in Disneys favor more than Sony's. Disney is wealthy enough as it is owning almost every other property pertaining to Marvel now that they have fox.</quote> Disney owns Spider-Man. Like Doctor Vader just pointed out, it's Sony being a bitch with rights they bought from Marvel when they qere dying. Hoping to get more money out of your shit while laying out the groundwork that is making it successful for Sony is not wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MichaelKaySeeYa 08/21/19 2:02:06 AM #42:	Darmik posted... MichaelKaySeeYa posted... What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening. Who pulled the plug on the deal again? Disney Nope. --- https://i.imgtc.ws/B7Fq7zo.jpg <cite>MichaelKaySeeYa posted [p:926343500] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>MichaelKaySeeYa posted...</cite> <quote><quote>What fans want is Spider-man staying in the MCU. Disney is the one stopping that from happening.</quote> Who pulled the plug on the deal again?</quote> Disney</quote> Nope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 2:10:49 AM #43:	DoctorVader posted... What? These executives are the ones that have greenlit everything so far to happen how it has. Marvel got bought out after Iron Man released and Marvel Studios were already building up to The Avengers. Disney bought them and let them do their thing. DoctorVader posted... Like others have said, trying to get more money out of a property you ultimately own because Sony is being a bitch and playing hardball is not wrong. Sony is literally trying to hold it hostage because they can and made ASM simply to maintain these rights. If the deal was so shit to Disney why did they agree to it to begin with? The sole reason this deal exists to begin with was due to Kevin Feige contacting Amy Pascal to make it happen https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/sony-spider-man-future-amy-pascal-phil-lord-interview Its impossible to tell the story of Spider-Mans new era without mentioning another big change. As the 2014 Sony e-mail hack revealed, Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feigewho once worked with Pascal on Sam Raimis Spider-Manhad been gently sniffing around to see if he might broker a deal to bring Peter Parker into Disneys wildly successful Marvel Cinematic Universe. Pascal was reportedly reluctant to relinquish her baby; the deal was so unstable that Captain America: Civil War screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely had to leave a blank space in their screenplay, at Feiges instruction, just in case Spider-Man ended up coming home. The bigger question here, then, is what will happen to the Sony-Marvel Studios collaboration when their initial deal expires. I think about crying, Pascal said of a future in which Spider-Man and Marvel retreat to separate corners. I can only hope for a future where things work out. I've known Kevin since he was Avi's very, very quiet assistant, who for many years sat in that room listening to us and being so much smarter than any of us without any of us realizing. I will say that working with Marvel has been one of the highlights of my professional career. After the initial custody dispute over Spider-Man, Pascal and Feiges working relationship has reportedly been convivial; in fact, Feige gave her thorough, friendly notes and feedback on her earlier Spider-Man films long before Marvel was legally on the hook to do so. And their joint deal has certainly been financially lucrative for both companies. But the union hasnt come without its sticky complications: Sonys insistence that Hollands second stand-alone film, Far from Home, be released in 2019 threw a wrench in Marvels preferred degree of secrecy around Avengers: Endgame, for instance. Spider-man is Sony's biggest movie property. Of course they aren't going to give that up and share it 50/50 with Disney. Meanwhile this is all chump change for Disney. Even moreso now that they have since bought Fox. Which I think is nave to think this isn't an additional factor from Disney's perspective. Hell it wouldn't surprise me if this was always Disney's plan. They know that if any negotations fell through Sony by default is seen as the villain. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926343677] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>What? These executives are the ones that have greenlit everything so far to happen how it has.</quote> Marvel got bought out after Iron Man released and Marvel Studios were already building up to The Avengers. Disney bought them and let them do their thing. DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Like others have said, trying to get more money out of a property you ultimately own because Sony is being a bitch and playing hardball is not wrong. Sony is literally trying to hold it hostage because they can and made ASM simply to maintain these rights.</quote> If the deal was so shit to Disney why did they agree to it to begin with? The sole reason this deal exists to begin with was due to Kevin Feige contacting Amy Pascal to make it happen https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/sony-spider-man-future-amy-pascal-phil-lord-interview <quote>Its impossible to tell the story of Spider-Mans new era without mentioning another big change. As the 2014 Sony e-mail hack revealed, Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feigewho once worked with Pascal on Sam Raimis Spider-Manhad been gently sniffing around to see if he might broker a deal to bring Peter Parker into Disneys wildly successful Marvel Cinematic Universe. Pascal was reportedly reluctant to relinquish her baby; the deal was so unstable that Captain America: Civil War screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely had to leave a blank space in their screenplay, at Feiges instruction, just in case Spider-Man ended up coming home.</quote> <quote>The bigger question here, then, is what will happen to the Sony-Marvel Studios collaboration when their initial deal expires. I think about crying, Pascal said of a future in which Spider-Man and Marvel retreat to separate corners. I can only hope for a future where things work out. I've known Kevin since he was Avi's very, very quiet assistant, who for many years sat in that room listening to us and being so much smarter than any of us without any of us realizing. I will say that working with Marvel has been one of the highlights of my professional career. After the initial custody dispute over Spider-Man, Pascal and Feiges working relationship has reportedly been convivial; in fact, Feige gave her thorough, friendly notes and feedback on her earlier Spider-Man films long before Marvel was legally on the hook to do so. And their joint deal has certainly been financially lucrative for both companies. But the union hasnt come without its sticky complications: Sonys insistence that Hollands second stand-alone film, Far from Home, be released in 2019 threw a wrench in Marvels preferred degree of secrecy around Avengers: Endgame, for instance. </quote> Spider-man is Sony's biggest movie property. Of course they aren't going to give that up and share it 50/50 with Disney. Meanwhile this is all chump change for Disney. Even moreso now that they have since bought Fox. Which I think is nave to think this isn't an additional factor from Disney's perspective. Hell it wouldn't surprise me if this was always Disney's plan. They know that if any negotations fell through Sony by default is seen as the villain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 08/21/19 2:13:45 AM #44:	Smashingpmkns posted... You jump back and forth between the monetary gain from these movies and that Marvel isn't the only brand that is able to make a quality comic movie so I call bull s* again. You're arguing for a greedy company to take rights for monetary gain over what is artistically better and what is better for the audience. that's some s* man. You're better than that usually. The existing rights were artistically better for everyone as is. Sony could get guidance on MCU movies. Sony could make animated passion projects like Into the Spider-Verse without input from Disney. They could also make their silly spin-offs if they wanted. Everyone working on these properties were happy. The only people who weren't happy were Kevin Feige's bosses. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:926343727] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>You jump back and forth between the monetary gain from these movies and that Marvel isn't the only brand that is able to make a quality comic movie so I call bull s* again. You're arguing for a greedy company to take rights for monetary gain over what is artistically better and what is better for the audience. that's some s* man. You're better than that usually.</quote> The existing rights were artistically better for everyone as is. Sony could get guidance on MCU movies. Sony could make animated passion projects like Into the Spider-Verse without input from Disney. They could also make their silly spin-offs if they wanted. Everyone working on these properties were happy. The only people who weren't happy were Kevin Feige's bosses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorVader 08/21/19 2:14:41 AM #45:	Darmik posted... DoctorVader posted... What? These executives are the ones that have greenlit everything so far to happen how it has. Marvel got bought out after Iron Man released and Marvel Studios were already building up to The Avengers. Disney bought them and let them do their thing. DoctorVader posted... Like others have said, trying to get more money out of a property you ultimately own because Sony is being a bitch and playing hardball is not wrong. Sony is literally trying to hold it hostage because they can and made ASM simply to maintain these rights. If the deal was so shit to Disney why did they agree to it to begin with? The sole reason this deal exists to begin with was due to Kevin Feige contacting Amy Pascal to make it happen https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/sony-spider-man-future-amy-pascal-phil-lord-interview Its impossible to tell the story of Spider-Mans new era without mentioning another big change. As the 2014 Sony e-mail hack revealed, Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feigewho once worked with Pascal on Sam Raimis Spider-Manhad been gently sniffing around to see if he might broker a deal to bring Peter Parker into Disneys wildly successful Marvel Cinematic Universe. Pascal was reportedly reluctant to relinquish her baby; the deal was so unstable that Captain America: Civil War screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely had to leave a blank space in their screenplay, at Feiges instruction, just in case Spider-Man ended up coming home. The bigger question here, then, is what will happen to the Sony-Marvel Studios collaboration when their initial deal expires. I think about crying, Pascal said of a future in which Spider-Man and Marvel retreat to separate corners. I can only hope for a future where things work out. I've known Kevin since he was Avi's very, very quiet assistant, who for many years sat in that room listening to us and being so much smarter than any of us without any of us realizing. I will say that working with Marvel has been one of the highlights of my professional career. After the initial custody dispute over Spider-Man, Pascal and Feiges working relationship has reportedly been convivial; in fact, Feige gave her thorough, friendly notes and feedback on her earlier Spider-Man films long before Marvel was legally on the hook to do so. And their joint deal has certainly been financially lucrative for both companies. But the union hasnt come without its sticky complications: Sonys insistence that Hollands second stand-alone film, Far from Home, be released in 2019 threw a wrench in Marvels preferred degree of secrecy around Avengers: Endgame, for instance. Spider-man is Sony's biggest movie property. Of course they aren't going to give that up and share it 50/50 with Disney. Meanwhile this is all chump change for Disney. Even moreso now that they have since bought Fox. Which I think is nave to think this isn't an additional factor from Disney's perspective. Hell it wouldn't surprise me if this was always Disney's plan. They know that if any negotations fell through Sony by default is seen as the villain. This has nothing to do with what I said. Disney has given fans exactly what they've wanted over the past decade. Your moronic assertion that they haven't because there are executives involved makes no sense. --- It all just disappears, doesn't it? Everything you are, gone in a moment, like breath on a mirror. - The Doctor <cite>DoctorVader posted [p:926343744] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>What? These executives are the ones that have greenlit everything so far to happen how it has.</quote> Marvel got bought out after Iron Man released and Marvel Studios were already building up to The Avengers. Disney bought them and let them do their thing. DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote>Like others have said, trying to get more money out of a property you ultimately own because Sony is being a bitch and playing hardball is not wrong. Sony is literally trying to hold it hostage because they can and made ASM simply to maintain these rights.</quote> If the deal was so shit to Disney why did they agree to it to begin with? The sole reason this deal exists to begin with was due to Kevin Feige contacting Amy Pascal to make it happen https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/sony-spider-man-future-amy-pascal-phil-lord-interview <quote>Its impossible to tell the story of Spider-Mans new era without mentioning another big change. As the 2014 Sony e-mail hack revealed, Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feigewho once worked with Pascal on Sam Raimis Spider-Manhad been gently sniffing around to see if he might broker a deal to bring Peter Parker into Disneys wildly successful Marvel Cinematic Universe. Pascal was reportedly reluctant to relinquish her baby; the deal was so unstable that Captain America: Civil War screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely had to leave a blank space in their screenplay, at Feiges instruction, just in case Spider-Man ended up coming home.</quote> <quote>The bigger question here, then, is what will happen to the Sony-Marvel Studios collaboration when their initial deal expires. I think about crying, Pascal said of a future in which Spider-Man and Marvel retreat to separate corners. I can only hope for a future where things work out. I've known Kevin since he was Avi's very, very quiet assistant, who for many years sat in that room listening to us and being so much smarter than any of us without any of us realizing. I will say that working with Marvel has been one of the highlights of my professional career. After the initial custody dispute over Spider-Man, Pascal and Feiges working relationship has reportedly been convivial; in fact, Feige gave her thorough, friendly notes and feedback on her earlier Spider-Man films long before Marvel was legally on the hook to do so. And their joint deal has certainly been financially lucrative for both companies. But the union hasnt come without its sticky complications: Sonys insistence that Hollands second stand-alone film, Far from Home, be released in 2019 threw a wrench in Marvels preferred degree of secrecy around Avengers: Endgame, for instance. </quote> Spider-man is Sony's biggest movie property. Of course they aren't going to give that up and share it 50/50 with Disney. Meanwhile this is all chump change for Disney. Even moreso now that they have since bought Fox. Which I think is nave to think this isn't an additional factor from Disney's perspective. Hell it wouldn't surprise me if this was always Disney's plan. They know that if any negotations fell through Sony by default is seen as the villain.</quote> This has nothing to do with what I said. Disney has given fans exactly what they've wanted over the past decade. Your moronic assertion that they haven't because there are executives involved makes no sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 08/21/19 2:15:45 AM #46:	Darmik posted... There is a lot of webbing here The bad guy is clearly the writer of this article. --- "Your mother was a broken down tub of junk with more gentlemen callers than the operator." <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:926343766] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Darmik posted... </cite> <quote>There is a lot of webbing here</quote>The bad guy is clearly the writer of this article. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 08/21/19 2:19:04 AM #47:	Sony are idiots. --- https://i.imgtc.com/oKFWxht.jpg https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:926343832] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Sony are idiots.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Holy_Cloud105 08/21/19 2:23:25 AM #48:	Imagine thinking Sony, the company that is rumored to want to charge $800 for the PS5 after the disaster that happened with the PS3, is not greedy. --- Official Aqua of the Kingdom Hearts 3 board. <cite>Holy_Cloud105 posted [p:926343933] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Imagine thinking Sony, the company that is rumored to want to charge $800 for the PS5 after the disaster that happened with the PS3, is not greedy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
warnerbroman 08/21/19 2:26:58 AM #49:	DoctorVader posted... Disney has given fans exactly what they've wanted over the past decade. Your moronic assertion that they haven't because there are executives involved makes no sense. Where's my Hulk sequel? Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... Sony are idiots. The deal was bad anybody could see that. Disney already has money and they want more while putting the screws to Sony to play ball. --- 1478 4237 6903 Xavier Flying....you can't stop staring can you? <cite>warnerbroman posted [p:926343998] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>DoctorVader posted...</cite> <quote> Disney has given fans exactly what they've wanted over the past decade. Your moronic assertion that they haven't because there are executives involved makes no sense.</quote> Where's my Hulk sequel? Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>Sony are idiots.</quote> The deal was bad anybody could see that. Disney already has money and they want more while putting the screws to Sony to play ball.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 08/21/19 2:28:02 AM #50:	Disney gets 5% of Day 1 revenue for the film and that is a good deal for Disney? --- https://i.imgtc.com/oKFWxht.jpg https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:926344010] in Disney is ... [t:77953392]...</cite> <quote>Disney gets 5% of Day 1 revenue for the film and that is a good deal for Disney?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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