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refmon 12/19/18 8:05:05 PM #1:	From my point of view, what Snowden was selfless and good, and he is the kind of person I would praise and defend if I visited the USA. But for many people, it seems he is a traitor that went to the enemy.I am french, and yet, even if someone did what he did, but in my country, I would not blame that person. Is it a matter of culture? --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:914414639] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>From my point of view, what Snowden was selfless and good, and he is the kind of person I would praise and defend if I visited the USA. But for many people, it seems he is a traitor that went to the enemy.I am french, and yet, even if someone did what he did, but in my country, I would not blame that person. Is it a matter of culture?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 12/19/18 8:07:36 PM #2:	I think he's a hero. US culture is divided on him, I think, although our political leaders tend to be against him. --- I bow before my emperor, Advokaiser-- winner of the 2019 guru contest. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:914414761] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>I think he's a hero. US culture is divided on him, I think, although our political leaders tend to be against him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 12/19/18 8:08:12 PM #3:	I do --- Buffalo Bills 2018-19 Season Prediction: 5-11 Season Record: 5-9 Next Up: @ NE Patriots <cite>theAteam posted [p:914414793] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>I do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crepes 12/19/18 8:09:01 PM #4:	Hes being treated no differently than Malaysian / Chinese political activists who the west would take the moral high ground over when they would be under house arrest for decades. --- Praxis Makes Perfect The only intelligent tactical response to life's horror is to laugh defiantly at it. ~Soren Kierkegaard <cite>Crepes posted [p:914414842] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>Hes being treated no differently than Malaysian / Chinese political activists who the west would take the moral high ground over when they would be under house arrest for decades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 12/19/18 8:09:02 PM #5:	theAteam posted... I do --- To err is human To arr is pirate <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:914414844] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>theAteam posted...</cite> <quote>I do</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 12/19/18 8:11:08 PM #6:	he's complicated. on the surface what he did was "for the people". however he almost got some US soldiers and agents killed by letting out their secrets. also, it is not a good look that he fled to Russia, of all places. <cite>Zikten posted [p:914414949] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>he's complicated. on the surface what he did was "for the people". however he almost got some US soldiers and agents killed by letting out their secrets. also, it is not a good look that he fled to Russia, of all places.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 12/19/18 8:11:41 PM #7:	irony. he exposes american injustices and war crimes then flees to a country well known for more extreme cases of both. --- People die when they are killed. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:914414974] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>irony. he exposes american injustices and war crimes then flees to a country well known for more extreme cases of both.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 12/19/18 8:12:46 PM #8:	Zikten posted... he's complicated. on the surface what he did was "for the people". however he almost got some US soldiers and agents killed by letting out their secrets. also, it is not a good look that he fled to Russia, of all places. 1. the truth hurts 2. government whistleblowers aren't being protected like they should be, so i don't blame him one bit --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:914415021] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>he's complicated. on the surface what he did was "for the people". however he almost got some US soldiers and agents killed by letting out their secrets. also, it is not a good look that he fled to Russia, of all places.</quote> 1. the truth hurts 2. government whistleblowers aren't being protected like they should be, so i don't blame him one bit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 12/19/18 8:15:06 PM #9:	monkmith posted... irony. he exposes american injustices and war crimes then flees to a country well known for more extreme cases of both. Most countries would extradite him back to the United States. Russia won't so it was literally his only choice. --- King K. Rool supporter for Super Smash Brothers Ultimate. <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:914415128] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>irony. he exposes american injustices and war crimes then flees to a country well known for more extreme cases of both.</quote> Most countries would extradite him back to the United States. Russia won't so it was literally his only choice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 12/19/18 8:15:25 PM #10:	Cuz that fucker is a traitor and now he is helping Russia fuck with us fuck him --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:914415143] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>Cuz that fucker is a traitor and now he is helping Russia fuck with us fuck him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 12/19/18 8:17:02 PM #11:	TheMikh posted... 1. the truth hurts that's not a good reason. the soldiers were innocent. his beef was with the government but he tried to get soldiers killed that were just doing a job. my dad was in the army so fuck off with that mentality. I understand what he was doing, but the fact he put people at risk who did nothing wrong makes him in the wrong <cite>Zikten posted [p:914415206] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheMikh posted...</cite> <quote>1. the truth hurts</quote> that's not a good reason. the soldiers were innocent. his beef was with the government but he tried to get soldiers killed that were just doing a job. my dad was in the army so fuck off with that mentality. I understand what he was doing, but the fact he put people at risk who did nothing wrong makes him in the wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/19/18 8:17:24 PM #12:	>Does something for the American people >"Traitor! Hang him!" Apparently loyalty to America means to the government and physical land, not the average citizen. More proof nationalism is stupid. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:914415226] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>>Does something for the American people >"Traitor! Hang him!" Apparently loyalty to America means to the government and physical land, not the average citizen. More proof nationalism is stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 12/19/18 8:18:16 PM #13:	He was reckless with the kinds of information he divulged --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:914415271] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>He was reckless with the kinds of information he divulged</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 12/19/18 8:18:26 PM #14:	Tbh I think it's because he ran away It is understandable why he did so, but still. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:914415279] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>Tbh I think it's because he ran away It is understandable why he did so, but still.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 12/19/18 8:18:46 PM #15:	I consider him a hero. it's hard to find people with honorable principles and a backbone to match. a lot of these "principled" people are damn near invertebrates. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:914415291] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>I consider him a hero. it's hard to find people with honorable principles and a backbone to match. a lot of these "principled" people are damn near invertebrates.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 12/19/18 8:22:53 PM #16:	I think my perception of the coverage when it was happening was that there were risks he took and given that there wasn't anything particularly actionable about the information, it seemed the risk wasn't quite worth it. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:914415502] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>I think my perception of the coverage when it was happening was that there were risks he took and given that there wasn't anything particularly actionable about the information, it seemed the risk wasn't quite worth it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/19/18 8:23:00 PM #17:	Doom_Art posted... Tbh I think it's because he ran away It is understandable why he did so, but still. Leaking classified information comes with harsh punishments and it's unlikely he would see a pardon from the president. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:914415513] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Tbh I think it's because he ran away It is understandable why he did so, but still.</quote> Leaking classified information comes with harsh punishments and it's unlikely he would see a pardon from the president.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 12/19/18 8:24:18 PM #18:	He was the guy who leaked the video of American soldiers murdering civilians, right? --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:914415582] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>He was the guy who leaked the video of American soldiers murdering civilians, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 12/19/18 8:26:04 PM #19:	008Zulu posted... He was the guy who leaked the video of American soldiers murdering civilians, right? That was Manning, who was rewarded with years in solitary confinement, perhaps the reason why Snowden opted to flee the country. --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:914415673] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote>He was the guy who leaked the video of American soldiers murdering civilians, right?</quote> That was Manning, who was rewarded with years in solitary confinement, perhaps the reason why Snowden opted to flee the country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 12/19/18 8:27:17 PM #20:	TheMikh posted... 008Zulu posted... He was the guy who leaked the video of American soldiers murdering civilians, right? That was Manning, who was rewarded with years in solitary confinement, perhaps the reason why Snowden opted to flee the country. the very reason. and examples like that. the government hates true patriots. unfortunately many allow the government to shape their world view. --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:914415734] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheMikh posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote> He was the guy who leaked the video of American soldiers murdering civilians, right? </quote> That was Manning, who was rewarded with years in solitary confinement, perhaps the reason why Snowden opted to flee the country.</quote> the very reason. and examples like that. the government hates true patriots. unfortunately many allow the government to shape their world view.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 12/19/18 8:28:33 PM #21:	Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:914415791] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thaddeus_J_Pibb 12/19/18 8:29:40 PM #22:	CADE FOSTER posted... Cuz that fucker is a traitor and now he is helping Russia fuck with us fuck him SPORT DA TRUUPS!!! --- When little boys don't get 8 hours of sleep, their glands emit a pleasant berry smell that attracts pedophiles. <cite>Thaddeus_J_Pibb posted [p:914415847] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz that fucker is a traitor and now he is helping Russia fuck with us fuck him</quote> SPORT DA TRUUPS!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/19/18 8:29:58 PM #23:	Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:914415868] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit.</quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 12/19/18 8:31:16 PM #24:	If he is such a hero, why'd he run and get asylum in Russia of all places? --- https://imgtc.com/i/5CTKeaL.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/G9w39yE.gif <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:914415932] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>If he is such a hero, why'd he run and get asylum in Russia of all places?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thunder_Dogg 12/19/18 8:31:17 PM #25:	Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. After all these years, what were the ramifications outside of embarrassment and more evidence of what we already have been told? --- What do you stand for? What do you stand against? Where do you draw the line? Figure it out! <cite>Thunder_Dogg posted [p:914415934] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit.</quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that.</quote> After all these years, what were the ramifications outside of embarrassment and more evidence of what we already have been told?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RickyTheBAWSE 12/19/18 8:32:11 PM #26:	DirkDiggles posted... If he is such a hero, why'd he run and get asylum in Russia of all places? prolly because most US allies would bend the knee to America? --- Never let those intent on misunderstanding you be the narrator to YOUR story! Context? Context!? CONTEXT!!! <cite>RickyTheBAWSE posted [p:914415985] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>DirkDiggles posted...</cite> <quote>If he is such a hero, why'd he run and get asylum in Russia of all places?</quote> prolly because most US allies would bend the knee to America?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tupacrulez 12/19/18 8:32:14 PM #27:	He's a fucking hero and should be presented as such. --- Suck less, Rock Moar Have I licked butt hole before? All the time. --r4xor <cite>Tupacrulez posted [p:914415989] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>He's a fucking hero and should be presented as such.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/19/18 8:32:29 PM #28:	Thunder_Dogg posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. After all these years, what were the ramifications outside of embarrassment and more evidence of what we already have been told? I can't even remember what Snowden even leaked. I think it was about how NSA spying on us. Which I don't think anything has changed. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:914415998] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_Dogg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit.</quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that.</quote> After all these years, what were the ramifications outside of embarrassment and more evidence of what we already have been told?</quote> I can't even remember what Snowden even leaked. I think it was about how NSA spying on us. Which I don't think anything has changed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 12/19/18 8:35:11 PM #29:	He is without a doubt a hero imo. He basically ruined his life to expose the unconstitutional practices of the NSA because he believed it was the right thing to do based on his concepts of freedom. A truly courageous American patriot. --- Platinum GameFAQs Member <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:914416118] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>He is without a doubt a hero imo. He basically ruined his life to expose the unconstitutional practices of the NSA because he believed it was the right thing to do based on his concepts of freedom. A truly courageous American patriot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tennisdude818 12/19/18 8:36:50 PM #30:	theAteam posted... I do --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell <cite>tennisdude818 posted [p:914416199] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>theAteam posted...</cite> <quote>I do</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 12/19/18 8:36:58 PM #31:	idk if I ever saw him as a hero, but my opinion of him has changed for the worse over the past few years --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:914416203] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>idk if I ever saw him as a hero, but my opinion of him has changed for the worse over the past few years</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FursonaNonGrata 12/19/18 8:38:09 PM #32:	Ed Bitch Ass Snowden <cite>FursonaNonGrata posted [p:914416258] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>Ed Bitch Ass Snowden</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 12/19/18 8:43:15 PM #33:	Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:914416515] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit.</quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that.</quote> Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/19/18 8:45:00 PM #34:	Uncle Choad posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets? --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:914416610] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote>Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit.</quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that.</quote> Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off</quote> I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 12/19/18 8:47:37 PM #35:	Tupacrulez posted... He's a fucking hero and should be presented as such. I doubt the soldiers that almost died cause of him see him that way <cite>Zikten posted [p:914416749] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tupacrulez posted...</cite> <quote>He's a fucking hero and should be presented as such.</quote> I doubt the soldiers that almost died cause of him see him that way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 12/19/18 8:48:52 PM #36:	Unlike Manning, he ran off to Russia to Senpai Putin with his tail between his legs like a worthless coward. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:914416812] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>Unlike Manning, he ran off to Russia to Senpai Putin with his tail between his legs like a worthless coward.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thunder_Dogg 12/19/18 8:51:00 PM #37:	Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets? oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing. --- What do you stand for? What do you stand against? Where do you draw the line? Figure it out! <cite>Thunder_Dogg posted [p:914416930] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. </quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. </quote> Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off</quote> I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets?</quote> oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 12/19/18 8:51:57 PM #38:	Can someone remind me why Obama pardoned Manning, but he hates Snowden? --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:914416982] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>Can someone remind me why Obama pardoned Manning, but he hates Snowden?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/19/18 8:52:58 PM #39:	Thunder_Dogg posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets? oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing. You are the one making light of the serious nature of leaking classified information when it comes to national defense and security. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:914417044] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_Dogg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. </quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. </quote> Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off</quote> I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets?</quote> oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing.</quote> You are the one making light of the serious nature of leaking classified information when it comes to national defense and security.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ambience 12/19/18 8:54:58 PM #40:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Can someone remind me why Obama pardoned Manning, but he hates Snowden? Why do the people who hate Manning seem to love Snowden and vice versa? --- A Beach in Winter <cite>Ambience posted [p:914417140] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone remind me why Obama pardoned Manning, but he hates Snowden?</quote> Why do the people who hate Manning seem to love Snowden and vice versa?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thunder_Dogg 12/19/18 8:55:32 PM #41:	Tmaster148 posted... Thunder_Dogg posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets? oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing. You are the one making light of the serious nature of leaking classified information when it comes to national defense and security. Doesn't answer the question I asked nor does it further elaborate on your earlier implications. If you aren't informed or even up to date, it's probably for the best to not chime in. That's making light of something serious. --- What do you stand for? What do you stand against? Where do you draw the line? Figure it out! <cite>Thunder_Dogg posted [p:914417172] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_Dogg posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. </quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. </quote> Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off </quote> I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets? </quote> oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing.</quote> You are the one making light of the serious nature of leaking classified information when it comes to national defense and security.</quote> Doesn't answer the question I asked nor does it further elaborate on your earlier implications. If you aren't informed or even up to date, it's probably for the best to not chime in. That's making light of something serious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kyujo 12/19/18 8:56:13 PM #42:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Can someone remind me why Obama pardoned Manning, but he hates Snowden? Manning's sentence was commuted, she wasn't pardoned. If I had to guess, she at least served time and Presidents tend to do that sort of thing anyway Ambience posted... Why do the people who hate Manning seem to love Snowden and vice versa? I hate both --- Current Game(s): Ys VIII, God of War, Must-watch: Legion, AoS, Gotham <cite>kyujo posted [p:914417203] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone remind me why Obama pardoned Manning, but he hates Snowden?</quote> Manning's sentence was commuted, she wasn't pardoned. If I had to guess, she at least served time and Presidents tend to do that sort of thing anyway <cite>Ambience posted...</cite> <quote>Why do the people who hate Manning seem to love Snowden and vice versa?</quote> I hate both</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/19/18 8:57:20 PM #43:	Thunder_Dogg posted... Tmaster148 posted... Thunder_Dogg posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets? oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing. You are the one making light of the serious nature of leaking classified information when it comes to national defense and security. Doesn't answer the question I asked nor does it further elaborate on your earlier implications. If you aren't informed or even up to date, it's probably for the best to not chime in. That's making light of something serious. So it's alright to be okay with hurting the country by leaking classified information. I guess some people really do want to see the US fail. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:914417250] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_Dogg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_Dogg posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. </quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. </quote> Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off </quote> I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets? </quote> oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing.</quote> You are the one making light of the serious nature of leaking classified information when it comes to national defense and security.</quote> Doesn't answer the question I asked nor does it further elaborate on your earlier implications. If you aren't informed or even up to date, it's probably for the best to not chime in. That's making light of something serious.</quote> So it's alright to be okay with hurting the country by leaking classified information. I guess some people really do want to see the US fail.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 12/19/18 9:00:39 PM #44:	TheMikh posted... 008Zulu posted... He was the guy who leaked the video of American soldiers murdering civilians, right? That was Manning, who was rewarded with years in solitary confinement, perhaps the reason why Snowden opted to flee the country. I forgot what Snowden did then. A lot of people leaked a lot of stuff. Hard to keep track. --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:914417400] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheMikh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote>He was the guy who leaked the video of American soldiers murdering civilians, right?</quote> That was Manning, who was rewarded with years in solitary confinement, perhaps the reason why Snowden opted to flee the country.</quote> I forgot what Snowden did then. A lot of people leaked a lot of stuff. Hard to keep track.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 12/19/18 9:01:06 PM #45:	Ambience posted... EndOfDiscOne posted... Can someone remind me why Obama pardoned Manning, but he hates Snowden? Why do the people who hate Manning seem to love Snowden and vice versa? I dont know. I dont hate Manning, but she is batshit and I hate her social media posting style. Snowden is articulate and I just enjoy hearing him speak. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:914417420] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ambience posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>Can someone remind me why Obama pardoned Manning, but he hates Snowden?</quote> Why do the people who hate Manning seem to love Snowden and vice versa?</quote> I dont know. I dont hate Manning, but she is batshit and I hate her social media posting style. Snowden is articulate and I just enjoy hearing him speak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Thunder_Dogg 12/19/18 9:02:30 PM #46:	Tmaster148 posted... hurting the country by leaking classified information. You can post proof any time now. Ideally it would have been two post from you ago. --- What do you stand for? What do you stand against? Where do you draw the line? Figure it out! <cite>Thunder_Dogg posted [p:914417480] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>hurting the country by leaking classified information.</quote> You can post proof any time now. Ideally it would have been two post from you ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 12/19/18 9:02:34 PM #47:	Thunder_Dogg posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Tmaster148 posted... Uncle Choad posted... Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets? oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing. Yeah that guy's weird. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:914417486] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_Dogg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Uncle Choad posted...</cite> <quote> Snowden exposed the government to the people, which, IMO, is moral. They argue that is's traitorous because of national defense/security, but then forget that they're doing that shit to their own citizens. Bullshit. </quote> Let's just leak our information about our nuclear weapons system to everyone. I'm sure our enemies will just ignore that. </quote> Uhhhh I don't think he did that, though. lol you can't make stuff up fam. knock it off</quote> I didn't say he did now. If you are taking the stance that exposing government secrets is moral. Then what's the problem with exposing our nuclear secrets?</quote> oh, I see. you're one of those guys who don't understand lines. just extremes, right? all or nothing.</quote> Yeah that guy's weird.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 12/19/18 9:04:06 PM #48:	Thunder_Dogg posted... Tmaster148 posted... hurting the country by leaking classified information. You can post proof any time now. Ideally it would have been two post from you ago. Do you just not understand what the classification system is? The classification system is rating information based on perceived damage that could be done if adversaries got a hold of it. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:914417555] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_Dogg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>hurting the country by leaking classified information.</quote> You can post proof any time now. Ideally it would have been two post from you ago.</quote> Do you just not understand what the classification system is? The classification system is rating information based on perceived damage that could be done if adversaries got a hold of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 12/19/18 9:04:54 PM #49:	I think I'm the opposite of most people, in that I think Snowden isn't a hero, but I think Manning is. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:914417595] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote>I think I'm the opposite of most people, in that I think Snowden isn't a hero, but I think Manning is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Uncle Choad 12/19/18 9:19:49 PM #50:	Tmaster148 posted... Thunder_Dogg posted... Tmaster148 posted... hurting the country by leaking classified information. You can post proof any time now. Ideally it would have been two post from you ago. Do you just not understand what the classification system is? The classification system is rating information based on perceived damage that could be done if adversaries got a hold of it. Extreme carelessness. --- Oden ska fa sin hamnd. Jag ska doda er alla, sen ska jag dricka mjod med honom. <cite>Uncle Choad posted [p:914418229] in Why isnt S... [t:77318029]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Thunder_Dogg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote>hurting the country by leaking classified information.</quote> You can post proof any time now. Ideally it would have been two post from you ago.</quote> Do you just not understand what the classification system is? The classification system is rating information based on perceived damage that could be done if adversaries got a hold of it.</quote> Extreme carelessness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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