Current Events > how did you guys feel about The Last of Us ending? (spoilers)

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it was good but i can see why people don't like it

also guys how many doctors did you guys killed at the end? i killed all 3 lol
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#JoelWasRight
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I don't really see why anyone wouldn't like it.

I can see not liking Joel's actions but it's in his character to do it.
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Joel did nothing wrong
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I thought it was okay if nothing special but I found it hilarious/incredibly embarrasing the lengths and lies fans were going to in order to pretend that Joel was a good person just because he was the protaganist.

It got absurd and really said a lot about people's mindsets and hero worship.
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I only killed the doctor that was directly in my way (you're forced to kill him, I think).
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Joel isn't a good or bad person, he's just a person.
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JustMonika posted...

I don't really see why anyone wouldn't like it.

I can see not liking Joel's actions but it's in his character to do it.

Pretty much this. Sure the ending is not a "happy" ending but if Joel had let them kill Ellie and create a vaccine it would have been so much out of character that it would feel like a fanfic happy ending.
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Seitar posted...

JustMonika posted...

I don't really see why anyone wouldn't like it.

I can see not liking Joel's actions but it's in his character to do it.

Pretty much this. Sure the ending is not a "happy" ending but if Joel had let them kill Ellie and create a vaccine it would have been so much out of character that it would feel like a fanfic happy ending.

Yeah. He saw Ellie as his own daughter by that point, it'd have been insane if he let another "daughter" of his slip by. I wouldn't call it a "good" decision but it was very believable.
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I thought it had a great ending.

someone threw out fake spoilers beforehand, saying that one of the two ended up dying, and I was dreading that until the very end.
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JustMonika posted...

Joel isn't a good or bad person, he's just a person.

He's very very very much a bad person.

He murders a bunch of people and intentionally prevents the cure for the literal zombie apolocypse because he's selfish. Even lying to the girl who is willing to go through it to stop her against her will.

The entire point of the ending was Joel had given up on the world and was only looking out for himself.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

prevents the cure for the literal zombie apolocypse

There was no cure.

There wasn't even an indication they could make a cure.
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I thought it was a very realistic ending.
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JustMonika posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

prevents the cure for the literal zombie apolocypse

There was no cure.

There wasn't even an indication they could make a cure.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I thought it was okay if nothing special but I found it hilarious/incredibly embarrasing the lengths and lies fans were going to in order to pretend that Joel was a good person just because he was the protaganist.

It got absurd and really said a lot about people's mindsets and hero worship.

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You have no argument, gotcha.
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Joel instantly became irredeemable with his final line. Ellie is paired with a monster.
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sabin017 posted...

Joel instantly became irredeemable with his final line. Ellie is paired with a monster.

What was his final line? Been a min
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JustMonika posted...

You have no argument, gotcha.

Are you new to Unfair posts
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Not only were the Fireflies completely incompetent at what they were doing, but even if they could somehow manufacture a vaccine, they're a literal terrorist group. It would be a political tool, and nothing else.
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I felt it was pretty bad. It felt like the whole "we have to murder this girl, in order to maybe make a cure for the zombie plague" came out of no where.

Orthopox12 posted...

sabin017 posted...

Joel instantly became irredeemable with his final line. Ellie is paired with a monster.

What was his final line? Been a min

"I swear" after Ellie was like "promise me what u said about the fireflies were true" or something like that
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My take:

I thought TLOU was the best exploration of how violent video game mechanics fit into a narrative.

in the vast majority of these big action games like Tomb Raider, Uncharted, etc, youre killing hundreds of people, getting headshots to make sure people are dead, performing executions, all this brutal and excessive shit, yet your character is portrayed as heroic, just doing the bare minimum to fight the bad guys, whatever. There is a weird disconnect between the story and the violence.

TLOU doesnt have this disconnect IMO. Joel is doing all these violent things to survive and keep Ellie alive, but a lot of it is just because he is a fucked up, violent guy. So the whole game you know hes a (sympathetic) bad guy doing a good thing, and the ending of the game is the culmination of all this.

So personally I loved the ending, I felt it was very conscious of how the player is tested with violence the whole game
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UnfairRepresent posted...

He murders a bunch of people and intentionally prevents the cure for the literal zombie apolocypse because he's selfish

Except you find notes that say they have tried this several other times with immune people and it didn't work. If anything keeping Ellie alive so she can have kids and pass on her immunity is the better choice.
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save Ellie

kill everyone else.

the only true ending.
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tag so I can wax poetic about this tomorrow when I'm less tired.

Quick summary:

Joel's a selfish monster who did it for himself. Fireflies were also monsters, but Ellie most likely would have been willing to give her life for the chance. The final scene shows that Ellie knows he's lying and it's not the act that makes Joel a terrible person, it's not being honest about it. Ruined his relationship with Ellie forever. In the end her greatest fear's come true: She's alone.
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GameGodOfAll posted...

Ruined his relationship with Ellie forever. In the end her greatest fear's come true: She's alone.

This just isn't true. Watch the reveal trailer for Part II.
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GameGodOfAll posted...

Ruined his relationship with Ellie forever.

No, that Last of Us live show they did had a small epilogue added on that shows they move past that and reconnect.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

GameGodOfAll posted...

Ruined his relationship with Ellie forever. In the end her greatest fear's come true: She's alone.

This just isn't true. Watch the reveal trailer for Part II.

Doesn't matter. I doubt there was ever even suppose to be a sequel that focuses on them. Either way, she's not literally alone. She goes with Joel and to Tommy's place, but the relationship will never be the same, even if she never admits it. There is no way she believed him in the end.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

GameGodOfAll posted...

Ruined his relationship with Ellie forever. In the end her greatest fear's come true: She's alone.

This just isn't true. Watch the reveal trailer for Part II.

Honestly thats kind of a bummer tbh
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CarlGrimes posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

He murders a bunch of people and intentionally prevents the cure for the literal zombie apolocypse because he's selfish

Except you find notes that say they have tried this several other times with immune people and it didn't work. If anything keeping Ellie alive so she can have kids and pass on her immunity is the better choice.

nah, the notes say that they experimented on others, but none like Ellie
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boxington posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

He murders a bunch of people and intentionally prevents the cure for the literal zombie apolocypse because he's selfish

Except you find notes that say they have tried this several other times with immune people and it didn't work. If anything keeping Ellie alive so she can have kids and pass on her immunity is the better choice.

nah, the notes say that they experimented on others, but none like Ellie

Seriously! There has never been another immune person. Joel lied.
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GameGodOfAll posted...

Doesn't matter. I doubt there was ever even suppose to be a sequel that focuses on them.

ND's view was always "we'll make a sequel if we think we have an idea that will really work." Is your argument just going to be "Nah, I won't consider the sequel canon," then?
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boxington posted...

nah, the notes say that they experimented on others, but none like Ellie

GameGodOfAll posted...

Seriously! There has never been another immune person. Joel lied.

Either way, having Ellie killed is not a guarantee for a cure and her having kids is a better chance to pass on her immunity.
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I don't disagree, but I think that the idea that the game is trying to get across is that Ellie being sacrificed to save humanity has a good chance of happening, but that Joel cares about what she means to him more than all that
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Romulox28 posted...

TLOU doesnt have this disconnect IMO. Joel is doing all these violent things to survive and keep Ellie alive, but a lot of it is just because he is a fucked up, violent guy. So the whole game you know hes a (sympathetic) bad guy doing a good thing, and the ending of the game is the culmination of all this.

I mean the world both inside and outside the quarantine zones is a fucked up violent place, I wouldn't say he's doing those things because he's fucked up but because he has to do it to survive, survival of the fittest and so on.
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boxington posted...

I don't disagree, but I think that the idea that the game is trying to get across is that Ellie being sacrificed to save humanity has a good chance of happening, but that Joel cares about what she means to him more than all that

Yes
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