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WastelandCowboy
11/26/17 11:59:59 PM
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/26/566607006/black-friday-background-checks-reportedly-shoot-up-to-record-high

Shoppers hunting for Black Friday deals seemed to include a record number of those in the market for firearms; the FBI says it fielded 203,086 background check requests for gun purchases on the day after Thanksgiving the highest daily total ever, reports USA Today.

"Background checks are considered the best available proxy for gun purchases since overall sales numbers are not made public," reports NPR's Uri Berliner.

But the number of firearms actually sold on Friday was probably higher than 203,086 because a buyer would require just one check but could purchase multiple firearms in a single transaction.

It is a popular time of year to buy guns. The previous record of 185,713 background checks was set one year earlier on Black Friday.

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is designed to keep guns from falling "into the wrong hands," according to the FBI, although the reality sometimes falls short of the goal.

Federal law bars convicted felons or anyone under a domestic violence protective order from owning a firearm, among other people. The FBI says out of the more than 230 million checks that have been conducted, more than a million denials have been issued. The agency also says the system "ensures the timely transfer of firearms to eligible gun buyers."

In the vast majority of cases, the background check takes just a couple of minutes, and if it comes out clean, the buyer walks away with the weapon, reports The Wall Street Journal, citing FBI data. But even if there is a holdup, the consumer may still be able to get the gun promptly. "In about 8% of cases, the verdict is delayed, and the seller has to wait three days. If there is no verdict after three days, the sale can go through," reports the newspaper.

Another loophole: only federally-licensed firearm dealers require background checks. Consumers can get around the rule by making a legal purchase from unlicensed sellers.

Friday's surge in background check requests came two days after Attorney General Jeff Sessions directed the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to do a comprehensive review of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS).

"The recent shooting in Sutherland Springs, Texas revealed that relevant information may not be getting reported to the NICS this is alarming and it is unacceptable," Sessions said in a statement.

The gunman who killed 26 people at the First Baptist Church earlier this month should never have been carrying a gun. He was legally barred from possessing a firearm after being convicted of assaulting his then-wife and baby stepson, while serving in the Air Force.
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WastelandCowboy
11/27/17 12:00:22 AM
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But the system apparently fell short of flagging him. Air Force spokesperson Ann Stefanek told The Two-Way in an email, "Initial information indicates that Kelley's domestic violence offense was not entered into the National Criminal Information Center database by the Holloman Air Force Base Office of Special Investigations."

But the system has been struggling under the weight of an exponential increase in background checks in recent years. In 1998, NICS reported fewer than 1 million. By last year, it had conducted more than 27 million a record.

USA Today reports:

"The mere record of arrest is not enough to prohibit a gun sale, so FBI analysts must race to fill such information gaps within the three-day time period allotted for each check. The search sometimes requires inquiries to police departments, courthouses and prisons across the country to match final dispositions to the incomplete records."


Despite the rise in firearm sales in recent years, President Trump who is backed by the National Rifle Association seems to have actually been bad for gun business. Since his election, the number of background checks dipped down, following a surge in 2016 amid fears that a Hillary Clinton presidency might limit gun sales.
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edededdy
11/27/17 12:00:25 AM
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close this topic fucking loser
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JunkoEnoshima
11/27/17 12:34:36 AM
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nobody needs to own guns
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helIy
11/27/17 12:36:32 AM
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i scored a sweet henry arms big boy classic in .41magnum for $500 on black friday

get rekt
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aHappySacka
11/27/17 12:36:49 AM
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Has anyone died yet?
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TheCyborgNinja
11/27/17 12:37:54 AM
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JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Not everyone has a huge wiener, ok?
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Veedrock-
11/27/17 12:38:38 AM
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But the number of firearms actually sold on Friday was probably higher than 203,086 because a buyer would require just one check but could purchase multiple firearms in a single transaction.

Uhhh sales could also be lower because not everyone is gonna pass the background check.

Dumb agenda.
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JunkoEnoshima
11/27/17 2:02:50 AM
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TheCyborgNinja posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Not everyone has a huge wiener, ok?

nothing wrong with that
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Rockies
11/27/17 2:07:07 AM
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I have a small wiener but still don't feel the need to own a gun
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JunkoEnoshima
11/27/17 2:07:50 AM
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helIy posted...
i scored a sweet henry arms big boy classic in .41magnum for $500 on black friday

get rekt

like this guy especially doesn't need to own a gun
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joemodda
11/27/17 2:09:39 AM
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Interesting trivia. Maybe I'll pick one up when I'm older
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SmokeMassTree
11/27/17 2:14:41 AM
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I spent $500 on ammo

Literally going to convert my home office into an armory cause fuck it America
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helIy
11/27/17 2:19:41 AM
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JunkoEnoshima posted...
helIy posted...
i scored a sweet henry arms big boy classic in .41magnum for $500 on black friday

get rekt

like this guy especially doesn't need to own a gun

i own many guns
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Sarcasthma
11/27/17 2:23:40 AM
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JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Hunters?
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Mead
11/27/17 2:25:07 AM
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JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns


um how are we supposed to shoot each other without them
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TigerTycoon
11/27/17 2:25:27 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Hunters?

There are people who make their living off of hunting, not even for money, to survive off of the meat. Not everybody lives in a city.
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Mead
11/27/17 2:27:51 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...
Not everybody lives in a city.


Source?
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JunkoEnoshima
11/27/17 2:33:31 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...
Not everybody lives in a city.

sounds like a personal problem
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Sarcasthma
11/27/17 2:35:17 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...
Sarcasthma posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Hunters?

There are people who make their living off of hunting, not even for money, to survive off of the meat. Not everybody lives in a city.

Okay? Not sure why you quoted me.
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SmokeMassTree
11/27/17 2:35:56 AM
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Wow your city privilege is showing
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Yellow
11/27/17 3:55:18 AM
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Veedrock- posted...
But the number of firearms actually sold on Friday was probably higher than 203,086 because a buyer would require just one check but could purchase multiple firearms in a single transaction.

Uhhh sales could also be lower because not everyone is gonna pass the background check.

Dumb agenda.

only 1-2 in 230 checks fail

~0.4% - 0.8%

The FBI says out of the more than 230 million checks that have been conducted, more than a million denials have been issued


Hence the "probably".
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RoboXgp89
11/27/17 4:10:41 AM
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only city people associate guns with shooting other people it's laughable they even consider themselves american sometimes when they only step on concrete and yes i am against handguns and felons having guns
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Sarcasthma
11/27/17 4:26:44 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
only city people associate guns with shooting other people it's laughable they even consider themselves american sometimes when they only step on concrete and yes i am against handguns and felons having guns

That was a tough sentence to get through.
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helIy
11/27/17 5:04:17 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
only city people associate guns with shooting other people it's laughable they even consider themselves american sometimes when they only step on concrete and yes i am against handguns and felons having guns

dude

http://www.hookedonphonics.com
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darkknight109
11/27/17 5:57:45 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
only city people associate guns with shooting other people it's laughable they even consider themselves american sometimes when they only step on concrete and yes i am against handguns and felons having guns

I learned two things from this post:
1) Only people who live in the country are true Americans; those city dwellers are just posers. Note that this view does not count as elitism, since only urbanites get to be called that.
2) Punctuation is an urban invention shunned by real Americans.
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Mead
11/27/17 6:00:30 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
only city people associate guns with shooting other people it's laughable they even consider themselves american sometimes when they only step on concrete and yes i am against handguns and felons having guns

I learned two things from this post:
1) Only people who live in the country are true Americans; those city dwellers are just posers. Note that this view does not count as elitism, since only urbanites get to be called that.
2) Punctuation is an urban invention shunned by real Americans.


The guy has issues.

Whatever you do dont tell him he should listen to doctors.
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TheWorstPoster
11/27/17 6:44:30 AM
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It's funny how the places with the most legal gunowners, live in places where there are are very few violent crimes or murders (to the point where most counties reported 0 murders in decades).

It's also funny where places with the most extreme gun control laws, are essentially warzones.
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Mario_VS_DK
11/27/17 7:27:07 AM
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Sarcasthma posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Hunters?


Obviously they should be using spears. It worked for our ancestors after all.
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darkknight109
11/27/17 7:54:57 AM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
It's funny how the places with the most legal gunowners, live in places where there are are very few violent crimes or murders (to the point where most counties reported 0 murders in decades).

It's also funny where places with the most extreme gun control laws, are essentially warzones.

It's funny how this statistic is a) Completely wrong and b) Not controlling for things like population density, income, etc., that have a pretty significant effect on crime.

I mean, if you want to play the statistics game, the US has more guns than any other country on the planet, both in raw numbers and per capita. So by this logic it should also be one of the safest, if not *the* safest country on the planet. What we find is exactly the opposite - it is the least safe first-world country by a fucking mile. It has a murder rate three-to-fucking-twenty times higher than its contemporaries. Meanwhile countries like Japan, Norway, and the Netherlands - all of which heavily restrict or outright ban civilian gun ownership - have some of the lowest murder rates in the world.
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XlaxJynx007
11/27/17 8:02:18 AM
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Why is it that antigunners have such a fascination with penises? Just FYI, women are one of the fasting growing demographics of new gun owners.
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BlackScythe0
11/27/17 8:51:39 AM
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XlaxJynx007 posted...
Why is it that antigunners have such a fascination with penises? Just FYI, women are one of the fasting growing demographics of new gun owners.


South Park already has that covered.
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TheWorstPoster
11/27/17 11:01:33 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
I mean, if you want to play the statistics game, the US has more guns than any other country on the planet, both in raw numbers and per capita. So by this logic it should also be one of the safest, if not *the* safest country on the planet. What we find is exactly the opposite - it is the least safe first-world country by a fucking mile. It has a murder rate three-to-fucking-twenty times higher than its contemporaries. Meanwhile countries like Japan, Norway, and the Netherlands - all of which heavily restrict or outright ban civilian gun ownership - have some of the lowest murder rates in the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
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darkknight109
11/27/17 12:07:46 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
darkknight109 posted...
I mean, if you want to play the statistics game, the US has more guns than any other country on the planet, both in raw numbers and per capita. So by this logic it should also be one of the safest, if not *the* safest country on the planet. What we find is exactly the opposite - it is the least safe first-world country by a fucking mile. It has a murder rate three-to-fucking-twenty times higher than its contemporaries. Meanwhile countries like Japan, Norway, and the Netherlands - all of which heavily restrict or outright ban civilian gun ownership - have some of the lowest murder rates in the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

I'm not wasting six minutes of my life on that. Make your arguments yourself or I'll take the point as conceded.
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Mead
11/27/17 1:47:09 PM
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It is never a good thing when ICOYAR posts a YouTube video
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Questionmarktarius
11/27/17 1:52:47 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
It's also funny where places with the most extreme gun control laws, are essentially warzones.

I think you have your causality confused there. Municipal gun restrictions were a reaction to gang violence, and still persist despite being completely ineffective. It's almost as if people intent on being criminals will ignore the law or something.
Huh.
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DirtBasedSoap
11/27/17 1:55:14 PM
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JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

wrong
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Doctor Foxx
11/27/17 1:56:09 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
But the number of firearms actually sold on Friday was probably higher than 203,086 because a buyer would require just one check but could purchase multiple firearms in a single transaction.

Uhhh sales could also be lower because not everyone is gonna pass the background check.

Dumb agenda.

Uh they mention 230 million checks have been done with just over a million rejections. You've got a .5% chance of an application being rejected and I'm sure significantly more than .5% of gun purchasers buy more than one gun.
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DirtBasedSoap
11/27/17 1:58:09 PM
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Mead posted...
It is never a good thing when ICOYAR posts a YouTube video

are you trying to say Steven Crowder isnt the greatest????
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Veedrock-
11/27/17 2:43:02 PM
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XlaxJynx007 posted...
Just FYI, women are one of the fasting growing demographics of new gun owners.

Because women have small penises.
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Questionmarktarius
11/27/17 2:45:34 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
I'm not wasting six minutes of my life on that. Make your arguments yourself or I'll take the point as conceded.

As near as I can tell by skimming around, the theme seems to be that the US numbers are skewed by Detroit and Chicago, while a little bit of spin and cherry-picking shows that Plano has less murders than anywhere in Europe.

I don't know why this needed to be a video. At all.
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JunkoEnoshima
11/27/17 2:47:13 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

wrong

i have never been wrong, in my life
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XlaxJynx007
11/27/17 6:45:24 PM
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JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Brwef4p

Edit: Fix'd
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Mead
11/28/17 1:10:46 PM
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I like to imagine that guy dual wields those stick loofahs when he showers
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VeeVees
11/28/17 1:15:26 PM
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lol muricans
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XlaxJynx007
11/28/17 1:43:27 PM
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Mead posted...
I like to imagine that guy dual wields those stick loofahs when he showers

I'm now imagining him swing them around like nunchucks in the shower
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JunkoEnoshima
11/28/17 10:49:03 PM
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XlaxJynx007 posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Brwef4p

Edit: Fix'd

yeah that guy definitely needs an ar15 to protect from the threats in his, uhhh, bathroom

not really helping your case here my dude
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XlaxJynx007
11/28/17 11:23:09 PM
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JunkoEnoshima posted...
XlaxJynx007 posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Brwef4p

Edit: Fix'd

yeah that guy definitely needs an ar15 to protect from the threats in his, uhhh, bathroom

not really helping your case here my dude

Not making a case, just making a joke my dude
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TIE543
11/28/17 11:27:47 PM
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XlaxJynx007 posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
XlaxJynx007 posted...
JunkoEnoshima posted...
nobody needs to own guns

Brwef4p

Edit: Fix'd

yeah that guy definitely needs an ar15 to protect from the threats in his, uhhh, bathroom

not really helping your case here my dude

Not making a case, just making a joke my dude

Kiss and make up my dudes
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green dragon
11/29/17 1:52:28 PM
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XlaxJynx007 posted...
Why is it that antigunners have such a fascination with penises? Just FYI, women are one of the fasting growing demographics of new gun owners.

Women don't have penises, so that makes perfect sense.
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