Board 8 > Please come in here and help me piece together the FFX ending *MAJOR SPOILERS*

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Well first, thanks to Leon, NFUN, McCheyne, Waluigi, Menuwars, foolmo, and everyone else who helped me in my topic. I hope my playthrough was entertaining!

So anyways

I'm just gonna spout a bunch of random nonsense and you guys tell me if I'm right or fill in any holes I leave out

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I've never really understood the story and this time I REALLY tried paying attention. But I still feel confused

okay
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So 1000 years ago, there was a real ass Zanarkand, and Beville existed back then too

they fought each other, then Zanarkand died. But the summoners from Zanarkand, not wanting to die because they're fucking pissed or something, held on to life and became the fayth.

and I guess Sin came from this somehow?

So then ....for some reason, They came up with a religion to constantly create a never ending cycle of host bodies for Yu Yevon..for some reason. Cause he was randomly there

So Spira has to sacrifice Summoners and Guardians alike to create new sins, but disguised it as a way of "Defeating Sin" to make the puppets happy

while this is happening, The Fayth ....were imprisoned and moved around the world of spira and had temples built around them? and started being used by the Summoners....for some reason?

and became the Aeons?

So they started "Dreaming" and thought of another Zanarkand, which doesn't actually exist.

Nothing really came out of it until a 1000 years later when Jecht randomly crossed over into the real world.

and then the story unfolds as you play the game

So heres the bombardment of questions

Who the hell is Yu Yevon and how the hell did he get stuck in the middle of this?

Who is Yunalesca? Shes the one that primarily runs the whole Sin thing. and why does she do it? What does she get out of it?
I can understand the Maesters, other than the main old guy, don't know about any of this, but whats her malfunction? It doesn't really come off shes from the same generation as Yu Yevon.

I'm pretty sure Auron is not the only one in the world of spira who tried killing her before, but what was different when Tidus and Crew DID kill her? Just because there were more of them? So a room full of guys COULD HAVE out muscled her at any time? Sphere Grids and Levels don't actually exist, they ARE warriors and fighters but not much more than anyone else

Why did the status quo change NOW?

HOW did Jecht cross into spira? They've clearly never heard of Spira before, so did they think Zanarkand was the whole World?
I really get the idea Jecht and tidus were not "Chosen ones" or anything. it could've been anyone.
But not only that, judging by the dialog of the people of spira, or lack thereof, this has never happened before. Why did it take 1000 years for this to happen?

WAS that the intention? So a "Champion" may rise from their thoughts?

okay, I'll try to think of more
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They all wanted chicken dinner
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The story took me like 6 years and 3 playthroughs as a kid to finally understand
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I just realized I never did Rikku's quest for her Celestial Weapon
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Any actual reason why we all could not die in the final battle?

And Why Yu Yevon was a tick?
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I'm getting WAY Ahead of myself here

but I just kinda remembered about it

Who the fuck was Shuyin in FFX2?

If Tidus was from a dream zanarkand

was Tidus like, Based off of Shuyin who really existed?
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Ok... I'm gonna go through it piece by piece.

Yu Yevon the leader of Zanarkand knew they were going to be destroyed imminently by Beville. He didn't want to live on, but he wanted an enternal memory of their eternal city of lights. So the remaining citizens sacrificed themselves to become the Fayth wall, and summon an Aeon. That Aeon was "Dream" Zanarkand. And with that their cities memory would be forever preserved. But in order to summon this Yu Yevon needed a shield. So with unreal powerful gravity spells he bound pyreflies together and fashioned an Armor named Sin. That armors one designation was to go and destroy anything with technology so no one could ever attack near the Baaj temple where Dream Zanarkand now stood.... unfortunately that included the real Zanarkand, and Sin destroyed it automatically. Ending the war, and for that matter the previous age forever. The Age of Sin had begun

Punnyz posted...

I just realized I never did Rikku's quest for her Celestial Weapon

Her weapon is one of the better ones too, plus it is super easy (esp. with No Encounters).

I will let someone else explain the story, as I am a bit hazy on some of it myself.
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Punnyz posted...

Any actual reason why we all could not die in the final battle?

And Why Yu Yevon was a tick?

Gameplay (and you can, you just have to petrify yourself)

That is all that is left of YunYevon. His real body faded long ago. Now all that exists is theninstinct to summon DZ and have an armor.

Ringworm posted...

Punnyz posted...

I just realized I never did Rikku's quest for her Celestial Weapon

Her weapon is one of the better ones too, plus it is super easy (esp. with No Encounters).

I will let someone else explain the story, as I am a bit hazy on some of it myself.

Pretty sure it's the worst of the 7....

Gillionaire is worthless on an Ultimate weapon. A total wasted spot.

Tag
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SSJBGenkiDama posted...

Ringworm posted...

Punnyz posted...

I just realized I never did Rikku's quest for her Celestial Weapon

Her weapon is one of the better ones too, plus it is super easy (esp. with No Encounters).

I will let someone else explain the story, as I am a bit hazy on some of it myself.

Pretty sure it's the worst of the 7....

Gillionaire is worthless on an Ultimate weapon. A total wasted spot.

Long term, yeah, you are right. Looks like Pun likes to zanmato everything to beat them, so it would have been useful earlier for paying off Yojimbo/bribes etc.
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The religion wasn't meant to constantly restore Sin.
That was a byproduct. The religion was as a way of Appeasement so Beville would never be destroyed. A deal with Yunalesca to more or less turn her father into a God and never kill him, and make her the ultimate head of said religion. Everyone wins. Except... you know... Spira.

Ringworm posted...

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

Ringworm posted...

Punnyz posted...

I just realized I never did Rikku's quest for her Celestial Weapon

Her weapon is one of the better ones too, plus it is super easy (esp. with No Encounters).

I will let someone else explain the story, as I am a bit hazy on some of it myself.

Pretty sure it's the worst of the 7....

Gillionaire is worthless on an Ultimate weapon. A total wasted spot.

Long term, yeah, you are right. Looks like Pun likes to zanmato everything to beat them, so it would have been useful earlier for paying off Yojimbo/bribes etc.

I mean, that's fair. Short term it's nice for that. But an Ultimate weapon should definitely be Long Term designation.

Worse yet is it's one of the 4 that has double AP too.... an ability that will also eventually be useless....

So her Weapon in the end really only has Triple overdrive break damage limit and ignore defense. They should have given her something else. Literally anything.

Ringworm posted...

Looks like Pun likes to zanmato everything to beat them

I resent that, I only did it twice!
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SSJBGenkiDama posted...

The religion wasn't meant to constantly restore Sin.
That was a byproduct. The religion was as a way of Appeasement so Beville would never be destroyed. A deal with Yunalesca to more or less turn her father into a God and never kill him, and make her the ultimate head of said religion. Everyone wins. Except... you know... Spira.

who is her father?
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Punnyz posted...

SSJBGenkiDama posted...

The religion wasn't meant to constantly restore Sin.
That was a byproduct. The religion was as a way of Appeasement so Beville would never be destroyed. A deal with Yunalesca to more or less turn her father into a God and never kill him, and make her the ultimate head of said religion. Everyone wins. Except... you know... Spira.

who is her father?

Oh. Sorry.

Yu Yevon

OH

theres the connection

I had no idea
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oh hey I should watch this Eternal Calm thing or whatever it is, huh?
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Punnyz posted...

oh hey I should watch this Eternal Calm thing or whatever it is, huh?

DO you plan on playing x-2?

Punnyz posted...

they fought each other, then Zanarkand died. But the summoners from Zanarkand, not wanting to die because they're fucking pissed or something, held on to life and became the fayth.

and I guess Sin came from this somehow?

Yu Yevon used all the dead Zanarkand people as the fayth for summoning Sin as well as Dream Zanarkand and Dream Tidus. Those people are the wall of fayth you find on Gagazet mountain.

Yunalesca was the first one to figure out how to summon the Final Aeon (using her husband Zaon as the host) and defeat Sin. That's where the cycle came from. It's not like Bevelle and the Yevon religion is trying to keep Sin alive, but a few years of calm is better than nothing, so they kept up this tradition.

Apparently Yu Yevon is Yunalesca's father? I'm not sure if I knew that already...
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Punnyz posted...

I'm pretty sure Auron is not the only one in the world of spira who tried killing her before, but what was different when Tidus and Crew DID kill her? Just because there were more of them? So a room full of guys COULD HAVE out muscled her at any time?

Yuna & crew have wiped the floor with a room full of guys multiple times (except for the wedding...)

Basically, when they fought Yunalesca, they entered godlike super saiyan despair mode. The incredibly badass scene before the fight where they are all basically recognizing it's an impossible fight, but they will still keep fighting, shows how uniquely powerful they are.

And then later they literally beat Sin by themselves. Normally a Final Aeon is needed for that. And THEN they beat Braska's Final Aeon.
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*FFX Besaid theme starts playing in Eternal Calm*

AWWWWWWWWW YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Punnyz posted...

Who the fuck was Shuyin in FFX2?

Literally nobody. He has absolutely no relation to Tidus at all. It's pure coincidence he looks like that and uses the same sword moves.

Yes it's fucking stupid.
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Most of the Fayth we'rent moved.... only the ones who became Summoner Journey Aeons (by the way, I personally believe those were dead before Zanarkand was, because there HAD TO be fayths that were summonable for all of Zanarkands summoner army. And we are also pretty sure from gameplay that a fayth can't be used to summon 2 Aeons at the same time. So there had to be tons of fayth during the war. Personal opinion is Valefor, Ifrit, Ixion, Shiva, Bahamut, whatever was originally at Baaj and maybe Yojimbo (if he wasn't the one originally at Baaj) and the Magus Sisters (if they aren't Belgamines final summon,'which they almost guaranteed are) are all the "statues" that were left after Sin destroyed Zanarkand.

Also, "DreamZanarkand" is totally 100% real. You could touch it just like you see the kids touching Valefor. It's just an Aeon. But Auron lived there a decade. It is a real place and a real thing.

foolm0r0n posted...

Punnyz posted...

they fought each other, then Zanarkand died. But the summoners from Zanarkand, not wanting to die because they're fucking pissed or something, held on to life and became the fayth.

and I guess Sin came from this somehow?

Yu Yevon used all the dead Zanarkand people as the fayth for summoning Sin as well as Dream Zanarkand and Dream Tidus. Those people are the wall of fayth you find on Gagazet mountain.

Yunalesca was the first one to figure out how to summon the Final Aeon (using her husband Zaon as the host) and defeat Sin. That's where the cycle came from. It's not like Bevelle and the Yevon religion is trying to keep Sin alive, but a few years of calm is better than nothing, so they kept up this tradition.

Apparently Yu Yevon is Yunalesca's father? I'm not sure if I knew that already...

They weren't dead Fool. They were the people that had survived the war so far. Their souls were extracted from their still living bodies to become that wall. Just like all Fayth.

Ok yeah but they sacrificed themselves to become the fayth
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foolm0r0n posted...

Yu Yevon used all the dead Zanarkand people as the fayth for summoning Sin as well as Dream Zanarkand and Dream Tidus.

so they were already a thing 1000 years ago BEFORE sin?
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I'm pretty sure Auron is not the only one in the world of spira who tried killing her before, but what was different when Tidus and Crew DID kill her? Just because there were more of them? So a room full of guys COULD HAVE out muscled her at any time? Sphere Grids and Levels don't actually exist, they ARE warriors and fighters but not much more than anyone else. Afterall we have a jackass with a blitzball as one of us

Honestly... Auron probably WAS the only one who tried to kill her...

He is called the Legendary guardian because he SURVIVED the pilgrimage. We see the other High Summoners (and Seymour) in Zanarkand dome. There is only one we don't see.

They all had one person with them. Not including the 2 Yunas there have only been 4 High Summoners. Seymour made it there as well, and then almost assuredly Belgamine. That's only 8 groups that ever made it to the Dome. Maybe some others beside Belgamine lost to Sin with the final Aeon, but even so that means they aren't coming back to kill her. That's means there is only ONE other group that potentially could have been more than 2 people. If that group either had 2 or the survivors didn't try to attack Yunalesca, then with assurance Auron is the only one to ever attack her.

As for why we could win.

In canon there were 7 there.

One guy is dead so hard to kill, one is an Aeon himself so harder to kill, then the crazy physical power of a Ronso and magic power of an all time Black Mage. Finally Yuna herself was a brilliant summoner. And that's probably why she lost in canon. Yunalesca could not beat the might of the Aeons.

Punnyz posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

Yu Yevon used all the dead Zanarkand people as the fayth for summoning Sin as well as Dream Zanarkand and Dream Tidus.

so they were already a thing 1000 years ago BEFORE sin?

No. Sins only been around for a 1,000 years. The Beville Zanarkand war was 1,000 years ago.

HOW did Jecht cross into spira? They've clearly never heard of Spira before, so did they think Zanarkand was the whole World?
I really get the idea Jecht and tidus were not "Chosen ones" or anything. it could've been anyone.
But not only that, judging by the dialog of the people of spira, or lack thereof, this has never happened before. Why did it take 1000 years for this to happen?

WAS that the intention? So a "Champion" may rise from their thoughts?

okay, I'll try to think of more.

Jecht crossed to Spira (I mean, he was already IN Spira, but Spira proper) because he came into contact with Sin. Jecht existed just as sure as you or I did. So it would have alway been possible to get to Spira. Just no one was ever going to leave.

They were not chosen ones. They became chosen by contacting Sin. But no, they weren't like "the chosen" or anything. It could have been anyone. Yes they thought Zanarkand was the whole world. And admittedly.... the city was like a
Country apparently, so I assume it's pretty huge.

It took 1,000 years to happen because the odds of it happening are so incredibly small. Someone has to go out to sea far enough to meet Sin, who happens to be by Baaj temple at that time instead of any other part of Spira.

And no. It wasn't intentional. The use of DZ was just a memory, there was never any plan that a Champion would rise from their sleep. But once Jecht appeared they had a chance. Their first chance in 1,000 years, and who knows when another would occur.

my head hurts

so Yu Yevon created Dream Zanarkand to forever immortalize his city

to himself

for some reason

and everybody was down for this shit so they sacrificed themselves to do this

and for some reason show up at Gagazet

and its both real and non existent because you can't just go there and nobody knows of it in Spira

I think Auron had a special pass because he was dead.

DZ and Zanarkand did exist both at the same time, if only briefly.

and Sin was created to kill everyone else, but it turned on them

So what about Jecht?

what made him so special that he got out of DZ?

I assumed DZ existed for a Thousand years and thus everybody grew in population and generations and generations of new people started existing within the dream.

Tidus didn't live in Dream Zanarkand for 1000 years, right? Nor did he exist in real Zanarkand

Tidus himself wasn't so special, especially with the Fayth is concerned, but he WAS Integral to Jecht's plan, and then the Fayth caught on to it (I think), which is why Bahamut started following him around
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I was typing that while you were typing that apparently

so all he did was go out to sea and see sin?

Why has that never happened before if Sin could just randomly show up in DZ?

I guess it makes sense that Sin could get there, Sin and DZ are made from the same Fayth, right?

Some of these things are just too hard of stretches to accept
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Punnyz posted...

I was typing that while you were typing that apparently

so all he did was go out to sea and see sin?

Why has that never happened before if Sin could just randomly show up in DZ?

I guess it makes sense that Sin could get there, Sin and DZ are made from the same Fayth, right?

Some of these things are just too hard of stretches to accept

Not see Sin. Contacted Sin. He was probably knocked unconscious and somehow ended up in Beville eventually after riding Sin part way there. (This, for what it's worth is in all of X, the hardest thing for me to swallow....) Do you see how far Baaj Temple is from
Fucking Beville!?????

I told you why already.

Imagine if you will somewhere in the world there is a magic shark. And if you touch that shark you will be teleported to Disney world. But that shark can literally swim anywhere in the world, and doesn't have any programming to stay any one place, in fact its programming makes it hunt technology. Now imagine you live in Japan. And you go out to sea every day your whole life farther than anyone else in Japan. And you aren't even looking for this shark.... how many lifetimes would it take you to contact this shark?

And that's why it hasn't happened in 1,000 years...

And Sin isn't made from Fayth at all. Sin is made of Gravity spells and pyreflies.

thats an interesting theory about the Fayth existing long before DZ because the summoners DID have to get their strength from somewhere, and there may have been more. (Age of Sin summoning is Hard mode)

but then that would mean the fayth and the aeons DON'T have a connection to DZ?

they kept saying "We want to finally sleep" and shit like that

so their death wish JUST SO HAPPENED to go along with Jecht's plan to kill Sin?
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Punnyz posted...

thats an interesting theory about the Fayth existing long before DZ because the summoners DID have to get their strength from somewhere, and there may have been more. (Age of Sin summoning is Hard mode)

but then that would mean the fayth and the aeons DON'T have a connection to DZ?

they kept saying "We want to finally sleep" and shit like that

so their death wish JUST SO HAPPENED to go along with Jecht's plan to kill Sin?

Once Sin is gone they can all sleep so all of the Fayth can finally rest. You see Anima at the end of X showing her being put to rest, but obviously Seymour's Mom hasn't existed for 1,000 years. Same for the Magus sisters who are almost guaranteed to be Bellgamines friends, cousins, daughter, sister, whatever.... They hadn't been around the 1,000 years either. But with Sin gone their purpose was also served.

Conversely... it might be you permanently kill them when you break the bond they have while trying to be summoned by Yu Yevon...

Sin never comes to DZ

Jecht was the first to run into Sin because he was a giant egotistical asshole. Only after Jecht became Sin did Sin come to DZ to get Tidus, because he wanted Tidus to kill him.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Sin never comes to DZ

Jecht was the first to run into Sin because he was a giant egotistical asshole. Only after Jecht became Sin did Sin come to DZ to get Tidus, because he wanted Tidus to kill him.

So how and where did he meet him at then?

Random place in the middle of the ocean like you said
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you're saying Jecht just went into spira?
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I think there's a scene where Tidus says he went out to sea and then never returned
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foolm0r0n posted...

Random place in the middle of the ocean like you said

How far do you think he was able to swim...?

Tidus said he went out to train one day and didn't come home.

Even if we assume that because they can breathe under water for a 10 minutes or more they are the best swimmers to ever exist.... I mean... you still aren't gonna be able to swim that far out. It's not like he got close to the main continent or anytbing.

Dude they have boats

All their houses are boats
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foolm0r0n posted...

Dude they have boats

All their houses are boats

One of the Fayths (after you can go revisit all of them for their power spheres and such) says that Yu Yevon missed Zanarkand (I would assume subconsciously) and that is why he was by DZ when Jecht went out to train. The game tells you that Sin was by DZ and Baaj temple and that is how Jecht came over.

Final Fantasy parties end up being quite literally powerful.

They usually defeat final bosses after achieving godhood anyway.
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Though it has to be said when they go up straight against Sin they have ancient technology on their side and a planet wide fayth hymn.
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pjbasis posted...

Final Fantasy parties end up being quite literally powerful.

They usually defeat final bosses after achieving godhood anyway.

It's usually pretty fair.

FF and III and V: Destined
II: the most powerful warrior on Earth in your party
IV: Lunarians and multiple incredible military leaders and a summoner
VI: Esper, and a Magitek Knight
VII: A frigging Ancient, a guy who pretty much can't die, and a Super SOLDIER modified like Sephiroth. (Not to mention just Materia as a whole...)
VIII: LITERALLY TRAINED THEIR ENTIRE LIFE TO KILL SORCERERS!!!
IX: Angel of Death, the prototype black Mage, 2 Summoers of immense power.
X: already went over
XII: no fucking shot they should have been able to beat Venat
XIII: Had two who were Ragnarok.
XV: There is a pretty good chance the bad guy wanted you to kill him anyway....

I always interpreted Jecht being lost at sea as on a boat not just swimming out there lol
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It's probable that other people arrived in Spira from DZ before Jecht. Where do you think the "toxin" thing came from? No one in the game seems to suffer any memory loss or anything after coming into contact with Sin.

What probably happened is people ended up there from time to time saying they were from Zanarkand and everyone thought they were crazy and started blaming it on Sin's toxin
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pjbasis posted...

I always interpreted Jecht being lost at sea as on a boat not just swimming out there lol

I
Always figured swimming cause he was training... that said, really doesn't matter.

Either way it is said in game that Sin was at DZ. Not that Jecht went 10s of miles out to sea like no one previously had and then met him. Sin was already around cause he (again probably subconsciously) missed home.