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LastTomorrow
11/04/17 11:21:56 AM
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Communism and think Stalin is a hero?
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Skye Reynolds
11/04/17 11:23:19 AM
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Oversimplification. Capitalism is bad, so socialism must be good.
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SageHarpuia
11/04/17 11:24:35 AM
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*Gets popcorn bucket ready*
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FLUFFYGERM
11/04/17 11:25:30 AM
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Basically, the rule is that if you majored in something useless (IE gender studies) and thus have no employment prospects beyond working part-time at Starbucks, you're going to shitpost about capitalism on your shiny financed $3500 Macbook Pro in-between making lattes for the people who are busting their asses.
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Malcolm_McGuffi
11/04/17 11:26:10 AM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Basically, the rule is that if you majored in something useless (IE gender studies) and thus have no employment prospects beyond working part-time at Starbucks, you're going to shitpost about capitalism on your shiny financed $3500 Macbook Pro in-between making lattes for the people who are busting their asses.

I make 90k and I want socialism + higher taxes.
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pinky0926
11/04/17 11:27:22 AM
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Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Basically, the rule is that if you majored in something useless (IE gender studies) and thus have no employment prospects beyond working part-time at Starbucks, you're going to shitpost about capitalism on your shiny financed $3500 Macbook Pro in-between making lattes for the people who are busting their asses.

I make 90k and I want socialism + higher taxes.


But that interrupts his enjoyable narrative would you please stop
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FLUFFYGERM
11/04/17 11:28:30 AM
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*Gets popcorn bucket ready*
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SageHarpuia
11/04/17 11:28:32 AM
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Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Basically, the rule is that if you majored in something useless (IE gender studies) and thus have no employment prospects beyond working part-time at Starbucks, you're going to shitpost about capitalism on your shiny financed $3500 Macbook Pro in-between making lattes for the people who are busting their asses.

I make 90k and I want socialism + higher taxes.

Your support is also more of a liability than an asset to the argument.
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tennisdude818
11/04/17 11:53:45 AM
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Left wing schools dont teach the true horrors of socialism. Kids out of high school dont realize how many more people died under communism than Nazism, so they do this bizarre thing where they call everybody to the right of Joe Biden a Nazi while waving an ancom flag.
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coolboy11
11/04/17 11:56:17 AM
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this the type of topics y'all shitpost on here lately?
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BootyGif
11/04/17 11:57:07 AM
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i know no liberals who favor socialism
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MB2012
11/04/17 11:59:52 AM
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This is bullshit - you're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything useful to the discussion
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BootyGif
11/04/17 12:02:53 PM
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MB2012 posted...
This is bullshit - you're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything useful to the discussion

thats what cuckservatives do
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Kineth
11/04/17 12:03:25 PM
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Why are conservatives so in favor of never actually arguing a point instead of just being partisan shills?
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The Great Muta 22
11/04/17 12:04:44 PM
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Kineth posted...
Why are conservatives so in favor of never actually arguing a point instead of just being partisan shills?


People, on both sides and especially here, don't actually want a discussion and would rather shit talk and insult all day
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Kineth
11/04/17 12:06:42 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Kineth posted...
Why are conservatives so in favor of never actually arguing a point instead of just being partisan shills?


People, on both sides and especially here, don't actually want a discussion and would rather shit talk and insult all day


Except that there's a lot more of it against "leftists", "SJWs" and "liberals" than vice versa.
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AIDSbeam
11/04/17 12:08:31 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Basically, the rule is that if you majored in something useless (IE gender studies) and thus have no employment prospects beyond working part-time at Starbucks, you're going to shitpost about capitalism on your shiny financed $3500 Macbook Pro in-between making lattes for the people who are busting their asses.

I make 90k and I want socialism + higher taxes.

Your support is also more of a liability than an asset to the argument.


No it isn't.

Higher income doesn't suddenly make someone not a member of the working class. If they work for a wage and do not receive the full value of their labor they are exploited under capitalism.
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NadYobWoc
11/04/17 12:10:14 PM
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tennisdude818 posted...
Left wing schools dont teach the true horrors of socialism. Kids out of high school dont realize how many more people died under communism than Nazism, so they do this bizarre thing where they call everybody to the right of Joe Biden a Nazi while waving an ancom flag.

You seem to have a solid understanding of the subject.
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The Admiral
11/04/17 12:10:48 PM
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Malcolm_McGuffi posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Basically, the rule is that if you majored in something useless (IE gender studies) and thus have no employment prospects beyond working part-time at Starbucks, you're going to shitpost about capitalism on your shiny financed $3500 Macbook Pro in-between making lattes for the people who are busting their asses.

I make 90k and I want socialism + higher taxes.


Youre unemployed and spend 16 hours a day making hundreds of posts on CE across multiple accounts, ROD. Not sure who you think youre fooling.
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kayoticdreamz
11/04/17 12:13:18 PM
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Because liberalism as defined in current policies is socialism. But since they are never called communist most don't think that's what they support. Liberals which is to say communists, are traitors to America

tennisdude818 posted...
Left wing schools dont teach the true horrors of socialism. Kids out of high school dont realize how many more people died under communism than Nazism, so they do this bizarre thing where they call everybody to the right of Joe Biden a Nazi while waving an ancom flag.

Also this
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AIDSbeam
11/04/17 12:17:52 PM
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kayoticdreamz posted...
Liberals which is to say communists, are traitors to America


Liberals are not communists or socialists. They are capitalists through and through. I haven't met a liberal yet that supported worker owned means of production and the full expropriation of capital and property from the wealthy business owners / bourgeoisie.

Edited to clarify that simply being well off doesn't make one an enemy of the working class.
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creativerealms
11/04/17 12:19:03 PM
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We are? I need to return my liberal card.
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kayoticdreamz
11/04/17 12:19:42 PM
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AIDSbeam posted...
kayoticdreamz posted...
Liberals which is to say communists, are traitors to America


Liberals are not communists or socialists. They are capitalists through and through. I haven't met a liberal yet that supported worker owned means of production and the full expropriation of capital and property from the wealthy.

Bullshit. Complete bullshit
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creativerealms
11/04/17 12:22:00 PM
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kayoticdreamz posted...
AIDSbeam posted...
kayoticdreamz posted...
Liberals which is to say communists, are traitors to America


Liberals are not communists or socialists. They are capitalists through and through. I haven't met a liberal yet that supported worker owned means of production and the full expropriation of capital and property from the wealthy.

Bullshit. Complete bullshit

Yes what you think about liberals is bullshit.
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AIDSbeam
11/04/17 12:22:32 PM
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kayoticdreamz posted...
AIDSbeam posted...
kayoticdreamz posted...
Liberals which is to say communists, are traitors to America


Liberals are not communists or socialists. They are capitalists through and through. I haven't met a liberal yet that supported worker owned means of production and the full expropriation of capital and property from the wealthy.

Bullshit. Complete bullshit


Not at all. Liberals now might support government provided social services and higher taxes on the rich, but seizing the means of production simply isn't a liberal goal.

The idea is to make capitalism more comfortable for the working class, not to get rid of it. They are not the party of worker liberation.
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DarkDragon400
11/04/17 12:29:03 PM
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kayoticdreamz posted...
AIDSbeam posted...
kayoticdreamz posted...
Liberals which is to say communists, are traitors to America


Liberals are not communists or socialists. They are capitalists through and through. I haven't met a liberal yet that supported worker owned means of production and the full expropriation of capital and property from the wealthy.

Bullshit. Complete bullshit

There are plenty of liberals who are pro-capitalism and anti-communism. Maybe they aren't under the rock you live, but they exist.
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Sphyx
11/04/17 12:36:53 PM
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Works well for me.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/04/17 12:37:54 PM
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@AIDSbeam

I'm interested in a serious conversation. Let's say I have $100,000 that I'm willing to invest into a risky business venture. The business might fail, it might succeed. Let's say I pull the trigger on the investment and hire someone to work for me for $50,000 a year, with the intention of getting enough revenue for the business to stay afloat before the initial investment runs out.

Year 1 we break even, year 2 we make $20,000 more than the labor costs. So I start pocketing the profit or reinvesting it back into the business so I can hire more people and expand operations.

Is it not my right as the person who made the initial investment and took on all the risk to pocket profit as I manage the company? Why is that "exploiting" the person who agreed to work for me for $50,000 a year?
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Kineth
11/04/17 12:42:02 PM
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I support socialist policies, mostly because they're aimed at supporting and bolstering the middle class. A healthy middle class is indicative of a very healthy economy no matter how you slice it. I, however, am not an idiot and realize that economies are mixed and not purely one system or another.
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CircleOfManias
11/04/17 12:42:53 PM
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You know there's a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism, right?
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The Admiral
11/04/17 12:43:36 PM
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CircleOfManias posted...
You know there's a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism, right?


Yes, one is a fantasy, and one is how every socialist nation has turned out.
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Kineth
11/04/17 12:44:02 PM
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CircleOfManias posted...
You know there's a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism, right?


Most of them think socialism is a political system and not an economic one.
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Samurontai
11/04/17 12:44:31 PM
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The Admiral posted...
CircleOfManias posted...
You know there's a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism, right?


Yes, one is a fantasy, and one is how every socialist nation has turned out.


Wut
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Samurontai
11/04/17 12:47:55 PM
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byron posted...
Samurontai posted...
The Admiral posted...
CircleOfManias posted...
You know there's a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism, right?


Yes, one is a fantasy, and one is how every socialist nation has turned out.


Wut

@The_Sadmiral is an ignorant troll


Obviously, but I want to see his clarification
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The Admiral
11/04/17 12:49:54 PM
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Samurontai posted...
byron posted...
Samurontai posted...
The Admiral posted...
CircleOfManias posted...
You know there's a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism, right?


Yes, one is a fantasy, and one is how every socialist nation has turned out.


Wut

@The_Sadmiral is an ignorant troll


Obviously, but I want to see his clarification


Clarification is history. Unless you mistakenly think the Scandinavian countries and other social democracies are socialist, which is incorrect.
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0AbsoluteZero0
11/04/17 12:57:28 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Samurontai posted...
byron posted...
Samurontai posted...
The Admiral posted...
CircleOfManias posted...
You know there's a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism, right?


Yes, one is a fantasy, and one is how every socialist nation has turned out.


Wut

@The_Sadmiral is an ignorant troll


Obviously, but I want to see his clarification


Clarification is history. Unless you mistakenly think the Scandinavian countries and other social democracies are socialist, which is incorrect.

Except they are. You're barely even trying any more, troll
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FLUFFYGERM
11/04/17 12:59:00 PM
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Samurontai posted...
byron posted...
Samurontai posted...
The Admiral posted...
CircleOfManias posted...
You know there's a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism, right?


Yes, one is a fantasy, and one is how every socialist nation has turned out.


Wut

@The_Sadmiral is an ignorant troll


Obviously, but I want to see his clarification


Clarification is history. Unless you mistakenly think the Scandinavian countries and other social democracies are socialist, which is incorrect.

Except they are. You're barely even trying any more, troll


uh

https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist
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Mal_Fet
11/04/17 1:01:35 PM
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Except they are.

Except they aren't
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Samurontai
11/04/17 1:02:50 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Except they are.

Except they aren't


First NATO and now Democratic Socialism

Never thought CE could legitimately become a place if learning lmao
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southcoast09
11/04/17 1:04:04 PM
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As the second poster said, this is an attempt to make people falsely believe that capitalism is somehow a bad thing.
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Waluigi7
11/04/17 1:08:57 PM
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By arguing that Scandinavian countries aren't socialist, conservatives pretty much just admitted that liberals aren't for socialism.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/04/17 1:10:33 PM
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Waluigi7 posted...
By arguing that Scandinavian countries aren't socialist, conservatives pretty much just admitted that liberals aren't for socialism.


There are a good number of CEmen who are advocates for literal communism
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The Admiral
11/04/17 1:12:02 PM
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Waluigi7 posted...
By arguing that Scandinavian countries aren't socialist, conservatives pretty much just admitted that liberals aren't for socialism.


The only people who say those countries are socialist are ignorant liberals and millennials. Those countries themselves all openly say theyre capitalist. No excuse for being ignorant on this point.
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Howl
11/04/17 1:12:25 PM
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Because they know they are losers and can't compete, so they'd rather have the government take stuff from other people and give it to them.
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NinjaBreakfast
11/04/17 1:19:41 PM
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i love how the meaning of 'liberals!!!' changes so broadly depending on what argument dudes on here are trying to make.

they can be rich elites...or poor layabouts looking for handouts...or the useful catch-all of 'rich students!' lol
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AIDSbeam
11/04/17 1:21:03 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
@AIDSbeam

I'm interested in a serious conversation. Let's say I have $100,000 that I'm willing to invest into a risky business venture. The business might fail, it might succeed. Let's say I pull the trigger on the investment and hire someone to work for me for $50,000 a year, with the intention of getting enough revenue for the business to stay afloat before the initial investment runs out.

Year 1 we break even, year 2 we make $20,000 more than the labor costs. So I start pocketing the profit or reinvesting it back into the business so I can hire more people and expand operations.

Is it not my right as the person who made the initial investment and took on all the risk to pocket profit as I manage the company? Why is that "exploiting" the person who agreed to work for me for $50,000 a year?


Simple.

The laborers are the ones creating value. You are not. When you give them a fractional percentage of the value they create, they are being exploited.
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