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Zikten
10/26/17 7:22:22 PM
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Jedi repress emotions that we all have. Sith embrace them.
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lilORANG
10/26/17 7:23:03 PM
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Southernfatman
10/26/17 7:23:57 PM
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Making the Jedi into weirdo emotionally and sexually repressed monks was a dumb idea.
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Axiom
10/26/17 7:24:13 PM
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The entire premise of the prequels were based around Palpatine lying to Anakin and turning him into Darth Vader
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hockeybub89
10/26/17 7:25:58 PM
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lilORANG posted...
But do Jedi deal in absolutes?

Yes
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3khc
10/26/17 7:26:44 PM
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lilORANG posted...
But do Jedi deal in absolutes?

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

~Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Master
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Zikten
10/26/17 7:28:28 PM
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Axiom posted...
The entire premise of the prequels were based around Palpatine lying to Anakin and turning him into Darth Vader

That is just one Sith. I mean the group in general

This is the Sith code vs the Jedi code. One is more honest

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion I gain Strength.
Through Strength I gain Power.
Through Power I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.

Vs

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.
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Ricemills
10/26/17 7:30:03 PM
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i cut my finger just from typing in this edgy topic.
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Zikten
10/26/17 7:31:11 PM
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Ricemills posted...
i cut my finger just from typing in this edgy topic.

it's not about edgyiness. it's just about being honest with "human" (or other being) nature.
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Axiom
10/26/17 7:31:56 PM
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The sith as an ideology is literally based around lies and half-truths that wheedle their way into people's easily corruptible minds
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Zikten
10/26/17 7:33:12 PM
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Axiom posted...
The sith as an ideology is literally based around lies and half-truths that wheedle their way into people's easily corruptible minds

I feel like you are basing this on the movies, and not the Expanded Universe that greatly fleshes out the sith and their philosophy
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Zikten
10/26/17 7:34:07 PM
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I mean it's even possible to be a ligh side Sith. play the Old Republic mmo, make a Sith Warrior or Sith Inquisiter character and then pick light side actions in all the quests and you will see how it works
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Axiom
10/26/17 7:36:25 PM
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Oh god of course you'd be an extended universe nerd

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith

The relationship between a Sith Master and their apprentice was not one of trust. Indeed, both the master and the apprentice constantly searched for any sign of weakness in the other, for a weak master deserved to be overthrown by their pupil, just as a weak pupil deserved to be replaced by a worthier, more powerful recruit. This harsh philosophy allowed the Sith to remain as strong as possible.

Literally from the philosophy section

Honesty has nothing to do with the Sith
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A_Good_Boy
10/26/17 7:37:30 PM
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In my opinion the jedi are evil.
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Zikten
10/26/17 7:37:47 PM
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that is strength not dishonesty
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Typhon
10/26/17 7:38:26 PM
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lilORANG posted...
But do Jedi deal in absolutes?


Absolutely
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FrenchCrunch
10/26/17 7:40:09 PM
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so what if theyre honest theyve got the blood of billions on their hands
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UnfairRepresent
10/26/17 7:40:16 PM
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Yeah the Jedi are almost a text-book example of "If you stop and look at it, these guys are fucked up"

There's that black guy in KOTOR who pretty much just points out how stupid the Jedi and Sith are by going like "I;m just gonna use all these awesome powers but not be a religious nut nor an evil bastard"

He's like the smartest guy in the Star Wars Canon.
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Soviet_Poland
10/26/17 7:40:18 PM
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Zikten posted...
it's not about edgyiness. it's just about being honest with "human" (or other being) nature.


I view it quite differently. While recognizing human nature is great and all, what makes us uniquely human is our ability to reason and to cognitively suppress that nature in pursuit of virtues.

As such, I kind of make the comparison that Jedi are kind of Aristotelian in their ethics. Maybe with a bit of Stoicism mixed in.
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FrenchCrunch
10/26/17 7:40:47 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah the Jedi are almost a text-book example of "If you stop and look at it, these guys are fucked up"

There's that black guy in KOTOR who pretty much just points out how stupid the Jedi and Sith are by going like "I;m just gonna use all these awesome powers but not be a religious nut nor an evil bastard"

He's like the smartest guy in the Star Wars Canon.

lold
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darkjedilink
10/26/17 7:48:09 PM
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Zikten posted...
Axiom posted...
The entire premise of the prequels were based around Palpatine lying to Anakin and turning him into Darth Vader

That is just one Sith. I mean the group in general

This is the Sith code vs the Jedi code. One is more honest

Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion I gain Strength.
Through Strength I gain Power.
Through Power I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.

Vs

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.

One Sith, when there are ever only two.

Let's take a look at all the Sith in the Prequels and Original Trilogy, and count up the lies.

- all the setup for the Galactic Empire, done by Palpatine
- Count Dooku's manipulation of the Separatists
- Palpatine lying to Anakin
- Palpatine lying to the Senate to create the Galactic Empire
- Order 66
- Vader trying to turn Luke to kill the Emperor
- The Emperor trying to turn Luke to kill Vader

And now, the Jedi

- Vader betrayed and murdered Anakin
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Zikten
10/26/17 7:48:48 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
One Sith, when there are ever only two.

thats only in the movies
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Zikten
10/26/17 7:49:20 PM
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plus if some rumors are true, the new disney movies may be about to disprove the Rule of Two
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mophead420
10/26/17 7:49:23 PM
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Jedi are allowed to get laid yo
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redeadlink
10/26/17 7:51:16 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah the Jedi are almost a text-book example of "If you stop and look at it, these guys are fucked up"

There's that black guy in KOTOR who pretty much just points out how stupid the Jedi and Sith are by going like "I;m just gonna use all these awesome powers but not be a religious nut nor an evil bastard"

He's like the smartest guy in the Star Wars Canon.

Fuck yeah Jolee Bindo
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RebelElite791
10/26/17 7:52:57 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah the Jedi are almost a text-book example of "If you stop and look at it, these guys are fucked up"

There's that black guy in KOTOR who pretty much just points out how stupid the Jedi and Sith are by going like "I;m just gonna use all these awesome powers but not be a religious nut nor an evil bastard"

He's like the smartest guy in the Star Wars Canon.

Well seeing as he's not canon this point is pretty damn useless isn't it
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butthole666
10/26/17 7:55:30 PM
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People try to read into this and plenty of EU work has done so fairly well, but the reality is that it's just a result of George Lucas being a remarkably unintelligent person.
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bulletproofvita
10/26/17 7:55:49 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
In my opinion the jedi are evil.

Well then you are lost
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darkjedilink
10/26/17 7:57:38 PM
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Zikten posted...
darkjedilink posted...
One Sith, when there are ever only two.

thats only in the movies

You mean, canon...
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Zikten
10/26/17 8:12:21 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Zikten posted...
darkjedilink posted...
One Sith, when there are ever only two.

thats only in the movies

You mean, canon...

actually even the comics now are canon. the new comics that started in I think 2014, are canon with the movies.
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FLUFFYGERM
10/26/17 8:15:16 PM
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was there ever a Force user who was neither a jedi or a sith?
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darkjedilink
10/26/17 8:16:04 PM
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Zikten posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Zikten posted...
darkjedilink posted...
One Sith, when there are ever only two.

thats only in the movies

You mean, canon...

actually even the comics now are canon. the new comics that started in I think 2014, are canon with the movies.

As are the Disney cartoons, and the books written since Disney bought them.

Literally none of them contradict the Rule of Two.
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darkjedilink
10/26/17 8:16:35 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
was there ever a Force user who was neither a jedi or a sith?

Yes - in Rebels, there was that rockmonster thing that was a Gray.
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A_Good_Boy
10/26/17 8:18:43 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
was there ever a Force user who was neither a jedi or a sith?

The Night Sisters
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Zikten
10/26/17 8:20:14 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Literally none of them contradict the Rule of Two.

well the movies will soon enough.

one rumor says that in the movies that

Snoke is a secret Sith that is even older than Palpatine and has been watching the galaxy for decades or even centuries some say. that would mean there were THREE sith at least. and probably more.
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Ricemills
10/26/17 8:20:46 PM
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watch as the rule of two will be retconned in the future as "nobody expect the 3rd sith" plot twist.
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Zikten
10/26/17 8:21:56 PM
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Ricemills posted...
watch as the rule of two will be retconned in the future as "nobody expect the 3rd sith" plot twist.

I want it to back to how it was in the Old Republic era and have a Sith Academy on Korriban, and have hundreds or thousands of sith in the galaxy
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darkjedilink
10/26/17 8:27:24 PM
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Zikten posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Literally none of them contradict the Rule of Two.

well the movies will soon enough.

one rumor says that in the movies that

Snoke is a secret Sith that is even older than Palpatine and has been watching the galaxy for decades or even centuries some say. that would mean there were THREE sith at least. and probably more.

Yeah, and movie rumors also said Luke was going to be a Sith in TFA, and be Rey's dad, or that Han was Rey's dad, or Snoke was Rey's dad.

Basically, until it's shown on-screen, the Rule of Two is canon, and my original point stands.

Hell, even if it turns out you're right, my point still stands, that you can't argue that the Sith are more honest than the Jedi. There's nothing in any canon source to actually suggest it.
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darkjedilink
10/26/17 8:27:52 PM
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Zikten posted...
Ricemills posted...
watch as the rule of two will be retconned in the future as "nobody expect the 3rd sith" plot twist.

I want it to back to how it was in the Old Republic era and have a Sith Academy on Korriban, and have hundreds or thousands of sith in the galaxy

Rule of Two originated in the Old Republic era.
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Zikten
10/26/17 8:30:07 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Rule of Two originated in the Old Republic era.

I know that. but that doesn't mean the entire era used it. all the KOTOR games including the MMO which takes place like 300 years after KOTOR 2, still don't have the rule of 2 yet. The Old Republic era spans like multiple thousands of years. alot of stuff happened in that time
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Blue_Inigo
10/26/17 8:32:31 PM
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Jedi aren't supposed to be emotionless. They're just not supposed to succumb to emotions and act like petty bitches
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darkjedilink
10/26/17 8:37:32 PM
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Zikten posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Rule of Two originated in the Old Republic era.

I know that. but that doesn't mean the entire era used it. all the KOTOR games including the MMO which takes place like 300 years after KOTOR 2, still don't have the rule of 2 yet. The Old Republic era spans like multiple thousands of years. alot of stuff happened in that time

Yeah, and one of those things was the implementation of the Rule of Two. All of a sudden, you want a Sith Academy?
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RebelElite791
10/26/17 8:43:25 PM
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I'm not sure if Zikten's opinions about Nazis or Star Wars are worse.

Okay, Nazis. But still.
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Darmik
10/26/17 8:47:18 PM
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Why do you keep bringing up KOTOR and TOR when they aren't canon anymore?
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Anteaterking
10/26/17 8:48:45 PM
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The Rule of Two isn't a physical law. Palpatine as Darth Sidious already had multiple padawans at the same time in secret in stuff that's still canon.
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RebelElite791
10/26/17 8:49:28 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
The Rule of Two isn't a physical law. Palpatine as Darth Sidious already had multiple padawans at the same time in secret in stuff that's still canon.

No he didn't?
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weapon_d00d816
10/26/17 8:50:19 PM
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Zikten posted...
Jedi repress emotions that we all have. Sith embrace them.

Absolutely true, however the Sith are just an opposite extreme. They don't have any filter on their emotions.
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Blue_Inigo
10/26/17 8:50:28 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
The Rule of Two isn't a physical law. Palpatine as Darth Sidious already had multiple padawans at the same time in secret in stuff that's still canon.

I don't think Force Unleashed is canon anymore
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Anteaterking
10/26/17 8:55:57 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Anteaterking posted...
The Rule of Two isn't a physical law. Palpatine as Darth Sidious already had multiple padawans at the same time in secret in stuff that's still canon.

No he didn't?


Don't Darth Maul and Count Dooku overlap?
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Ricemills
10/26/17 8:57:24 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Anteaterking posted...
The Rule of Two isn't a physical law. Palpatine as Darth Sidious already had multiple padawans at the same time in secret in stuff that's still canon.

I don't think Force Unleashed is canon anymore


Dooku/Tyranus and Maul?
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