Current Events > Which move is Better for Competitive Pokemon; Flamethrower or Fire Blast?

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Fire Blast, because power means more likely to earn the KOing and for the most part missing is the same as not KOing.

The only exception would be on a CM/Nasty Plot set where you are boosting your own power and acc is more important.
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Flamethrower bc accuracy
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Overheat or Heat Wave
maybe Lava Plume on certain teams
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does fire blast gets 100% accuracy under the sun?
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Flamethrower. Low acc is a nightmare competitively.
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@kelystic no it does not
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Fire Blast is 110 BP, 85 acc actually.

It's close, but I prefer FB.

depends on the pokemon

FB gets you OHKOs
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averagejoel posted...

Overheat or Heat Wave
maybe Lava Plume on certain teams

Lava Plume is utility and is very limited on who can learn it. You only run it on a bulky fire type for the 30% burn chance. Which really is only Heatran, but Heatran also has Magma Storm.

Overheat is great of choice pokemon, because you'll likely switch out afterwards anyways. But it's really not used very often as Fire as many other great offensive options that don't reduce your sp. atk afterwards.

Heat Wave really isn't better than Flamethrower. 5BP for 10% Acc is kinda weak trade off.It has uses in doubles if you really want to hit both opponents at the same time. The only pokemon that really use Heat Wave are like Zapdos who can't learn Flamethrower or Fire Blast.

Also Fire Blast is now 110 BP and it's 85% Acc.
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it heavily depends on the pokemon and item/moveset

i only played 3rd-5th gen but for example Specsmence always ran FB while NP LO infernape would more often run FT over FB. I prefer FT in general but FB's higher base power really helps secure the kill in many cases. That damn miss hax tho...
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SF_Okami posted...

Flamethrower. Low acc is a nightmare competitively.

Not really. Failing to KO is really what matters in competitive pokemon. Missing and failing to secure a KO are essentially the same as you can likely lose your pokemon over either. Most competitive movesets will chose a move with higher Power over Acc and PP.

The only main exceptions are Thunder vs Tbolt and Blizzard vs Ice Beam, but 70% acc is far too much a gamble. If there was a more reliable move than Focus Blast for special fighting that a huge portion of pokemon could learn, you won't see many people run Focus Blast anymore.
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Tmaster148 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Overheat or Heat Wave
maybe Lava Plume on certain teams

Lava Plume is utility and is very limited on who can learn it. You only run it on a bulky fire type for the 30% burn chance. Which really is only Heatran, but Heatran also has Magma Storm.

Overheat is great of choice pokemon, because you'll likely switch out afterwards anyways. But it's really not used very often as Fire as many other great offensive options that don't reduce your sp. atk afterwards.

Heat Wave really isn't better than Flamethrower. 5BP for 10% Acc is kinda weak trade off.It has uses in doubles if you really want to hit both opponents at the same time. The only pokemon that really use Heat Wave are like Zapdos who can't learn Flamethrower or Fire Blast.

Also Fire Blast is now 110 BP and it's 85% Acc.

oh yeah
i keep forgetting that people play Singles competitively lol

Lava Plume is situationally useful because it can activate an ally's Flash Fire
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doubles is a joke

pls dont tell me current smogon has adopted Nintendo rules over their own standard clauses and tiers
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BoyOfBattle posted...

doubles is a joke

pls dont tell me current smogon has adopted Nintendo rules over their own standard clauses and tiers

I haven't played in ages, so I don't remember

but Doubles is way more complex than Singles. faster too, and better balanced
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averagejoel posted...

oh yeah
i keep forgetting that people play Singles competitively lol

Competive Singles is pretty much the main draw for Competitive Pokemon.

It's really only the tournaments and ratings for the pokemon games where people will actually play doubles. But VCG has it's own meta game, but still generally follows the same thing where Power > Acc most of the time.
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dumb question because it's entirely situational. if the attack difference means killing or 2HKOing important pivots or otherwise difficult mons to deal with then fire blast is better. otherwise flamethrower is better.

Doubles >> Singles

And bump

They buffed Fire Blast accuracy in the past two gens so I could definitey give the edge to Fire Blast now in competitive if you require the extra juice for inportant OHKOs. Otherwise, for in-game, battle tower, and Pokemon that don't need the extra juice for crucial KO points, I go with Flamethrower.
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Flamethrower, as not even mentioning it's accuracy in comparison to Fire Blast has more PP which allows for more uses.
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StarReaper13 posted...

Flamethrower, as not even mentioning it's accuracy in comparison to Fire Blast has more PP which allows for more uses.

PP isn't really that important in competitive unless you are running stall. And 85% acc is not that bad.
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