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Zikten
05/02/17 10:45:18 AM
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you have a time machine and access to the entire timeline's history and you know that a certain person will be the next hitler, but you have a chance to to kill them when they are 12 years old before their rise to power. if you do it, you prevent a nuclear holocaust that kills 75% of the planet. would you do it?
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lilORANG
05/02/17 10:46:22 AM
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I'd just forge their admittance to art school
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AugustAdoulin
05/02/17 10:46:30 AM
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lock and load
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FrenchCrunch
05/02/17 10:47:50 AM
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Zikten posted...
you have a time machine and access to the entire timeline's history and you know that a certain person will be the next hitler, but you have a chance to to kill them when they are 12 years old before their rise to power. if you do it, you prevent a nuclear holocaust that kills 75% of the planet. would you do it?

why do i have to kill them
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DevsBro
05/02/17 10:48:31 AM
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Eh

No, I guess not. I'd probably torture the kid if that would do it, though I might have a mental breakdown, but no I wouldn't kill.
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awesome999
05/02/17 10:51:33 AM
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Depends, are parallel universes real? If they're real, I'd just let whatever happen, happen because there'd be at least one universe where's he's not the bad guy

If they're not real, RIP kid
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PerseusRad
05/02/17 10:52:36 AM
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sure, wouldn't feel good about it, but I'd've done nothing wrong.
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Dustin1280
05/02/17 10:54:06 AM
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I wouldn't even have a hard time doing it...
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Mikablu
05/02/17 10:55:46 AM
#9:


Zikten posted...
you have a time machine

No. You mess with time, time messes right back.
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Duncanwii
05/02/17 10:55:55 AM
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No, killing a innocent child, no matter the reason, is one of the most evil crimes imaginable and there's a special place in hell for those who commit it.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
05/02/17 10:57:20 AM
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Yes, easily.

That said, I wouldn't prevent the black plague or Holocaust or anything pre-1988. As far as I'm concerned, influencing the past beyond your own existence is immoral and risky.
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Pics_nao_plz
05/02/17 10:57:25 AM
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Hell yeah motherfucker

Or I'd throw them into the speed force
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scoobydoobydont
05/02/17 10:59:19 AM
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Just one? This isn't even a dilemma. I'd do it and not lose a minute of sleep over it.
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Dustin1280
05/02/17 11:00:37 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
No, killing a innocent child, no matter the reason, is one of the most evil crimes imaginable and there's a special place in hell for those who commit it.


That child is not innocent, he grows up to be the next hitler committing nuclear genocide against 75% of the world population.


I would argue you are MORE evil NOT solving the problem.
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1P4
05/02/17 11:26:27 AM
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I'm not gonna kill him. If I do I'll drastically change the present, everything would be changed when I return.
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Solar_Crimson
05/02/17 12:50:04 PM
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No, because it could actually have severe repercussions in the future.

For example, someone far worse than Hitler could take over Germany and actually win WWII.

Dustin1280 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
No, killing a innocent child, no matter the reason, is one of the most evil crimes imaginable and there's a special place in hell for those who commit it.


That child is not innocent, he grows up to be the next hitler committing nuclear genocide against 75% of the world population.


I would argue you are MORE evil NOT solving the problem.

You're judging him based on who he will become in his future, and the child may have no idea what kind of person they will grow up into.

Until they actually BECOME that person, they are innocent.
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Solid Snake07
05/02/17 12:52:28 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Eh

No, I guess not. I'd probably torture the kid if that would do it, though I might have a mental breakdown, but no I wouldn't kill.



wtf?! you would be able to torture them but not be able to kill them? what the hell kind of moral code is that?
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gunplagirl
05/02/17 12:55:23 PM
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Do I get to choose the method by which I end their life?
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Nazanir
05/02/17 12:57:01 PM
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Emotionally: No
Rationally: Yes
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chill02
05/02/17 12:57:17 PM
#20:


Zikten posted...
a nuclear holocaust that kills 75% of the planet.


not seeing the downside
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De Evolution
05/02/17 12:58:33 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
Duncanwii posted...
No, killing a innocent child, no matter the reason, is one of the most evil crimes imaginable and there's a special place in hell for those who commit it.


That child is not innocent, he grows up to be the next hitler committing nuclear genocide against 75% of the world population.


So why kill him? Society is fucked we need a restart
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foreveraIone
05/02/17 12:58:58 PM
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Yes. But likely I would off myself afterwards.
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GiftedACIII
05/02/17 1:13:05 PM
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Nah, kidnap him and raise him not to become the next hitler.
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Solar_Crimson
05/02/17 1:21:06 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Nah, kidnap him and raise him not to become the next hitler.

What if someone just took his place?
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Mackorov
05/02/17 1:22:51 PM
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Zikten posted...
you have a time machine and access to the entire timeline's history and you know that a certain person will be the next hitler, but you have a chance to to kill them when they are 12 years old before their rise to power. if you do it, you prevent a nuclear holocaust that kills 75% of the planet. would you do it?


lolwut. you act like death is the only option. Like it's not possible to change a person? Especially when they're just a child?

Is everyone here on CE morons or something?
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GiftedACIII
05/02/17 1:23:27 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Nah, kidnap him and raise him not to become the next hitler.

What if someone just took his place?

How would I know that though?
And I'd take that chance nonetheless. This child would literally kill 75% of the world and ruin the rest of it through nuclear warfare. No one is going to do much worse than that
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Mackorov
05/02/17 1:26:08 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Nah, kidnap him and raise him not to become the next hitler.

What if someone just took his place?

How would I know that though?


because this whole topic is just plain stupid.
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Xelltrix
05/02/17 1:50:43 PM
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Theoretically, yes. I don't know how easy it would be for me to do it in the actual moment though.
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Sir Will
05/02/17 1:55:59 PM
#29:


Xelltrix posted...
Theoretically, yes. I don't know how easy it would be for me to do it in the actual moment though.

Yeah. Anyway, I would try, sure, if I had to. But killing him wouldn't be my first choice. There are better ways to change things.
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HaVeNII7
05/02/17 1:57:14 PM
#30:


Absolutely. It's just a pull of a trigger, and you save 75% of the worlds population? I'd do it any way necessary.

You'd be insane not to. It's one child. Who cares when they're compared to the rest of the planet?
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scoobydoobydont
05/02/17 2:00:19 PM
#31:


Solar_Crimson posted...
and the child may have no idea what kind of person they will grow up into.


So?

chill02 posted...
Zikten posted...
a nuclear holocaust that kills 75% of the planet.


not seeing the downside


The surviving 25% isn't going to exactly have a comfortable life. It would be pretty hellish, in fact.
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chill02
05/02/17 2:00:57 PM
#32:


scoobydoobydont posted...
chill02 posted...
Zikten posted...
a nuclear holocaust that kills 75% of the planet.


not seeing the downside


The surviving 25% isn't going to exactly have a comfortable life. It would be pretty hellish, in fact.


not seeing the downside
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darksamus1992
05/02/17 2:04:41 PM
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No, you can't predict how its death could change the present. You can easily make it worse.

I'd probable try to warn people to increase the amount of survivors though.
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YookaLaylee
05/02/17 2:05:27 PM
#34:


chill02 posted...
scoobydoobydont posted...
chill02 posted...
Zikten posted...
a nuclear holocaust that kills 75% of the planet.


not seeing the downside


The surviving 25% isn't going to exactly have a comfortable life. It would be pretty hellish, in fact.


not seeing the downside

Edgy
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chill02
05/02/17 2:06:05 PM
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YookaLaylee posted...
chill02 posted...
scoobydoobydont posted...
chill02 posted...
Zikten posted...
a nuclear holocaust that kills 75% of the planet.


not seeing the downside


The surviving 25% isn't going to exactly have a comfortable life. It would be pretty hellish, in fact.


not seeing the downside

Edgy


not seeing the downside
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kingdrake2
05/02/17 2:06:50 PM
#36:


darksamus1992 posted...
No, you can't predict how its death could change the present. You can easily make it worse.

I'd probable try to warn people to increase the amount of survivors though.


it has been proven in family guy about what happened in that one scenario when they prevented something from happening.
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Jiek_Fafn
05/02/17 2:07:16 PM
#37:


I have a fucking time machine. Why would I care about a blip in history like this? I'm essentially a god.
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Turbam
05/02/17 2:08:29 PM
#38:


I make him have a change of heart.
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Funkdamental
05/02/17 2:43:45 PM
#39:


There are plenty of decision-makers who've accepted the risk of killing an innocent child (or children) as a regrettable necessity in order to destroy a military target, let alone in order to save 75% of the world's population.

Real-life decisions like that are scary shit, because I wouldn't like to say where the line should be drawn, or what numbers can be judged acceptable, or how you should balance innocent lives lost against an objective achieved. This isn't an exact moral science. I don't believe it's realistic to say that under absolutely no circumstances can we ever afford to put innocents in harm's way, but nor do I want to see us sink to the sociopathic brutality of state terrorism.
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the_cajun88
05/02/17 2:46:19 PM
#40:


Mackorov posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Nah, kidnap him and raise him not to become the next hitler.

What if someone just took his place?

How would I know that though?


because this whole topic is just plain stupid.


literally a hypothetical situation
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Ving_Rhames
05/02/17 2:47:06 PM
#41:


yes
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Vindris_SNH
05/02/17 2:48:04 PM
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Why would you not do it?
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LightHawKnight
05/02/17 2:49:12 PM
#43:


Time would just find another way to cause the death of 75% of the planet, so why bother.
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thompsontalker7
05/02/17 2:50:02 PM
#44:


This is literally the premise of Tales of Berseria

it works but t'was short term
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Funkdamental
05/02/17 2:57:48 PM
#45:


lilORANG posted...
I'd just forge their admittance to art school


Which ends up changing nothing, because:

- he gets to rub shoulders in ultra-nationalist circles, which are fashionable in student bodies at the time;
- he doesn't get the marks he's convinced his "genius" deserves, and so he blames the ethnic group to which his professor belongs;
- he finds that art grads are ten a penny but refuses to support himself by working at an "ordinary" job because he thinks it's beneath him, so he's penniless and bitter;
- and finally, he volunteers to fight in a war that radicalizes him.

Yeah, we're talking about Hitler really. I'm just pointing out that his admission to art school in Vienna might have made no difference at all to history. There were plenty of artists (like the Italian Futurists) who were sympathetic to fascism, after all.
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alexg1989
05/02/17 3:03:40 PM
#46:


Zikten posted...
you have a time machine and access to the entire timeline's history and you know that a certain person will be the next hitler, but you have a chance to to kill them when they are 12 years old before their rise to power. if you do it, you prevent a nuclear holocaust that kills 75% of the planet. would you do it?

really depends honestly on who the 75% are...
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EbonTitanium
05/02/17 3:05:14 PM
#47:


Yeah. It's one of those lives of the many vs. the lives of the few questions.
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Zikten
05/02/17 3:06:18 PM
#48:


thompsontalker7 posted...
This is literally the premise of Tales of Berseria

it works but t'was short term

And an episode of Legends of Tomorrow
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Wedge Antilles
05/02/17 3:17:45 PM
#49:


It's&#8203; easy to sit here and say yes, but I don't know if I'd able to pull the trigger.

Rather just warn the parents and try to change the kids future.
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StarReaper13
05/02/17 3:20:32 PM
#50:


Why couldn't I just kill him the moment he turns evil if I have a time machine? Also if it would kill 75%, I would do it.
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