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McMarbles
05/02/24 11:33:01 AM
#101:


mario2000 posted...
Is Biden not the current president?
Ignorant it is, then.

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Smashingpmkns
05/02/24 11:33:54 AM
#102:


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mario2000
05/02/24 11:34:14 AM
#103:


Foppe posted...
Imaginate believing that things would get better by voting Trump.

Imagine believing everyone who criticizes Biden is voting Trump.

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McMarbles
05/02/24 11:38:02 AM
#104:


Foppe posted...
Imaginate believing that things would get better by voting Trump.
They dont actually care.

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McMarbles
05/02/24 11:39:04 AM
#105:


Smashingpmkns posted...
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Posting this meme is idiotic.

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CountCorvinus
05/02/24 11:39:52 AM
#106:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It's like Democrats are actively trying to make this a close election.

God, our country is so fucking garbage

They're trying to lose.

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mario2000
05/02/24 11:41:42 AM
#107:


McMarbles posted...
They dont actually care.

Seems like it's who you doesn't care, seeing as how you can't muster up any counterarguments beyond "you don't care" and "that's dumb".

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McMarbles
05/02/24 11:53:47 AM
#108:


mario2000 posted...
Seems like it's who you doesn't care, seeing as how you can't muster up any counterarguments beyond "you don't care" and "that's dumb".
Now whos posting no u?
You asked Why would anyone vote for Biden?
I said there are issues other than Gaza that people care about.
You asked what else could people possibly care about?
I provided several other issues.
You said oh, those are all Bidens fault because hes president and he hasnt done anything about about them proving that you dont actually pay any attention to whats going on and would rather just make claims from a place of ignorance.
So you clearly are not here for any actual discussion. You dont care about informing yourself. So what is the point of all this?

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Sandalorn
05/02/24 11:55:17 AM
#109:


mario2000 posted...
Those have all been adversely affected under Biden and he has made it clear he has no intentions of righting those.


/mask slips completely off.

This is Hannity level of ignorance, bullshit and misinformation. Grats man...you're our own special Steven Miller.
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mario2000
05/02/24 11:57:54 AM
#110:


McMarbles posted...
Now whos posting no u?
You asked Why would anyone vote for Biden?
I said there are issues other than Gaza that people care about.
You asked what else could people possibly care about?
I provided several other issues.
You said oh, those are all Bidens fault because hes president and he hasnt done anything about about them proving that you dont actually pay any attention to whats going on and would rather just make claims from a place of ignorance.
So you clearly are not here for any actual discussion. You dont care about informing yourself. So what is the point of all this?

Only one of these two things must be true:

  1. Biden has the power to prevent the loss of rights and stop funding the genocide in Gaza, but chooses not to. Therefore, voting for Biden would be voting for the further loss of rights and further genocide.
  2. Biden does not have the power to prevent the loss of rights or to stop funding the genocide in Gaza. If the office of president does not have the power to do these things, then casting your vote for president is effectively meaningless, and those who choose not to are justified in their decision.
So which is it?

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Umbreon
05/02/24 12:06:13 PM
#111:


Or you can vote for Biden while urging him to stop funding Isreal and push for an ceasefire.

Because Trump winning means Palestine, and this is something Republican politicians have literally said, gets turned into a parking lot.

Which would mean everyone voting for Trump supported that and so did everyone who didn't vote against him, using your logic.

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darkace77450
05/02/24 12:08:03 PM
#112:


mario2000 posted...
What other issues are more important than an entire people being obliterated in the name of imperialism?

An entire people being obliterated by Christian nationalists? Or do transgender Americans not matter to you?
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CountCorvinus
05/02/24 12:10:12 PM
#113:


Umbreon posted...
Because Trump winning means Palestine, and this is something Republican politicians have literally said, gets turned into a parking lot.


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What do you think is happening now?

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:11:18 PM
#114:


darkace77450 posted...
An entire people being obliterated by Christian nationalists? Or do transgender Americans not matter to you?

You mean the thing that's happening right now? Under the current president? Who has expressed no desire to stop it? Despite him and his party posturing themselves as the saviors whenever the other guys are in power?

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:13:18 PM
#115:


*While beating you with a spiked bat* "Vote for me or the other guys will beat you with a spiked bat"

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Umbreon
05/02/24 12:13:45 PM
#116:


CountCorvinus posted...


....

What do you think is happening now?


Unspeakably terrible things.

I imagine under Trump, we'd be actively participating. And unlike Biden, Trump wouldn't be talked out of it.

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darkace77450
05/02/24 12:14:55 PM
#117:


mario2000 posted...
Only one of these two things must be true:

1. Biden has the power to prevent the loss of rights and stop funding the genocide in Gaza, but chooses not to. Therefore, voting for Biden would be voting for the further loss of rights and further genocide.
2. Biden does not have the power to prevent the loss of rights or to stop funding the genocide in Gaza. If the office of president does not have the power to do these things, then casting your vote for president is effectively meaningless, and those who choose not to are justified in their decision.
So which is it?

This is either ignorance or bad faith. You're pairing something Biden does have control over (military aid to Israel) with something he does not (abortion rights, LGBT rights, etc). He can't do much about the latter unless Congress works with him to do so (they won't because Republicans control the House).

In paring the two, you're either inadvertently (ignorance) or knowingly (bad faith) creating a false dilemma. Divorcing America's ongoing support for Israel's campaign in Gaza from domestic issues creates gray space in which more nuanced reasons for voting for Biden exist.
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mario2000
05/02/24 12:15:18 PM
#118:


Umbreon posted...
Unspeakably terrible things.

I imagine under Trump, we'd be actively participating. And unlike Biden, Trump wouldn't be talked out of it.

We are already actively participating.

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:16:18 PM
#119:


darkace77450 posted...
This is either ignorance or bad faith. You're pairing something Biden does have control over (military aid to Israel) with something he does not (abortion rights, LGBT rights, etc). He can't do much about the latter unless Congress works with him to do so (they won't because Republicans control the House).

In paring the two, you're either inadvertently (ignorance) or knowingly (bad faith) creating a false dilemma. Divorcing America's ongoing support for Israel's campaign in Gaza from domestic issues creates gray space in which more nuanced reasons for voting for Biden exist.

Strange, Biden told me he did have direct control over those things.

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hak145
05/02/24 12:16:41 PM
#120:


JuanCarlos1 posted...
Seriously, this is only gonna push young people away from Biden. There are no tv news that can convince these coming generations that the US and Israel are in the right.

they shouldnt. Republicans are worse on israel. Stop acting like reactionary animals and use strategy for one second you clowns.

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Umbreon
05/02/24 12:17:01 PM
#121:


Okay mario out of curiosity.

What would you have us voters do regarding all this?

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Unsuprised_Pika
05/02/24 12:19:03 PM
#122:


mario2000 posted...
Only one of these two things must be true:

1. Biden has the power to prevent the loss of rights and stop funding the genocide in Gaza, but chooses not to. Therefore, voting for Biden would be voting for the further loss of rights and further genocide.
2. Biden does not have the power to prevent the loss of rights or to stop funding the genocide in Gaza. If the office of president does not have the power to do these things, then casting your vote for president is effectively meaningless, and those who choose not to are justified in their decision.
So which is it?

This is stupid because there are vastly more issues then Gaza.

Like the GOP's ramping up to a genocide of trans people, attempts to turn the presidency into a monarchy for Trump, Climate change, abortion rights, workers rights etc

What Biden does is almost irrelevant to this calculus. Trump will be current status quo at best and more then likely not support Israel even harder but also being objectively worse on 99.9999999999999999999% of other issues.

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darkace77450
05/02/24 12:19:08 PM
#123:


mario2000 posted...
You mean the thing that's happening right now? Under the current president? Who has expressed no desire to stop it? Despite him and his party posturing themselves as the saviors whenever the other guys are in power?

  • Biden has said he'll sign abortion rights into law if Congress sends him the bill.
  • Biden has said he'll sign stricter gun control into law if Congress sends him the bill.
  • Biden has said he'll sign transgender protections into law if Congress sends him the bill.


These things are happening right now because the Republican-controlled House and the conservative-controlled Supreme Court are obstructing attempts to address them.

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darkace77450
05/02/24 12:19:23 PM
#124:


mario2000 posted...
Strange, Biden told me he did have direct control over those things.

Citation needed.
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Umbreon
05/02/24 12:19:52 PM
#125:


And "actively participating" I mean bombing them ourselves. Though I agree we shouldn't be assisting in Palestine being slaughtered.

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:20:48 PM
#126:


Umbreon posted...
Okay mario out of curiosity.

What would you have us voters do regarding all this?

  1. Realize that it is possible to criticize Biden without supporting Trump.
  2. Realize that all the things the Democrats want you to believe will happen under Trump (and certainly will, I'm not denying that) are currently happening right now.

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:21:37 PM
#127:


Umbreon posted...
And "actively participating" I mean bombing them ourselves. Though I agree we shouldn't be assisting in Palestine being slaughtered.

My guy our bombs are being used, I'm not sure how much more involved you can get than that.

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CountCorvinus
05/02/24 12:23:34 PM
#128:


Umbreon posted...
Unspeakably terrible things.

I imagine under Trump, we'd be actively participating. And unlike Biden, Trump wouldn't be talked out of it.

We are actively participating, Also, Biden is not being talked out of it. He keeps sending Israel weapons, and fucking called the pro-Palestine protests anti-semitic. A bill was just passed that stifles free speech.

This dystopian nightmare you're warning will occur if Trump gets elected is happening right now with Joe Biden as president.

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:24:34 PM
#129:


darkace77450 posted...
* Biden has said he'll sign abortion rights into law if Congress sends him the bill.
* Biden has said he'll sign stricter gun control into law if Congress sends him the bill.
* Biden has said he'll sign transgender protections into law if Congress sends him the bill.

These things are happening right now because the Republican-controlled House and the conservative-controlled Supreme Court are obstructing attempts to address them.

oh well if he said it then i believe him

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Board_hunter567
05/02/24 12:26:56 PM
#130:


I wonder if the US has offered ways to accelerate the genocide but Bibi and his ghouls were like nah, we want it long and drawn out to remain in power.

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Umbreon
05/02/24 12:26:59 PM
#131:


mario2000 posted...
Realize that all the things the Democrats want you to believe will happen under Trump (and certainly will, I'm not denying that) are currently happening right now.

Because of the actions of Republicans. If you, as a voter, don't do your part then you risk things getting much worse. Democrats don't have full control of things, you realize that right? It wasn't a Democrat court that struck down Roe vs Wade. It wasn't Democrats trying to pass bills to hurt Republicans.

Criticism? Oh absolutely criticize Democrats, we all are. No one here is happy about this war.

But you're utterly delusional if you think things won't get astronomically worse if Trump wins in 2024.

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CountCorvinus
05/02/24 12:27:20 PM
#132:


mario2000 posted...
My guy our bombs are being used, I'm not sure how much more involved you can get than that.


Jets too.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/01/politics/biden-administration-f15-fighter-jets-israel/index.html

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:30:21 PM
#133:


Umbreon posted...
Because of the actions of Republicans. If you, as a voter, don't do your part then you risk things getting much worse. Democrats don't have full control of things, you realize that right? It wasn't a Democrat court that struck down Roe vs Wade. It wasn't Democrats trying to pass bills to hurt Republicans.

Criticism? Oh absolutely criticize Democrats, we all are. No one here is happy about this war.

But you're utterly delusional if you think things won't get astronomically worse if Trump wins in 2024.

Define "astronomically worse". We talkin death camps or what?

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CountCorvinus
05/02/24 12:31:27 PM
#134:


darkace77450 posted...
* Biden has said he'll sign abortion rights into law if Congress sends him the bill.
* Biden has said he'll sign stricter gun control into law if Congress sends him the bill.
* Biden has said he'll sign transgender protections into law if Congress sends him the bill.

These things are happening right now because the Republican-controlled House and the conservative-controlled Supreme Court are obstructing attempts to address them.

The democrats had control of all three branches. Why didn't any of these things happen then? I already know the answer. I just want to see if you do.

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Umbreon
05/02/24 12:32:48 PM
#135:


mario2000 posted...
Define "astronomically worse". We talkin death camps or what?


Project 2025, and yes he has stated that people will be sent to camps. Like do I really have to explain why American falling under a full blown dictatorship is a bad thing?

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Deej
05/02/24 12:35:57 PM
#136:


Umbreon posted...
Project 2025, and yes he has stated that people will be sent to camps. Like do I really have to explain why American falling under a full blown dictatorship is a bad thing?
"Trump says a lot of things. There's no way that'd actually happen. Not in America."

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HeeathLivesOn
05/02/24 12:38:39 PM
#137:


CountCorvinus posted...
The democrats had control of all three branches. Why didn't any of these things happen then? I already know the answer. I just want to see if you do.
15~ years ago sure
Abortion/transgender issues weren't rocking the country at that time

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:39:45 PM
#138:


Umbreon posted...
Project 2025, and yes he has stated that people will be sent to camps. Like do I really have to explain why American falling under a full blown dictatorship is a bad thing?

The plan would perform a swift restructuring of the executive branch under a maximalist version of the unitary executive theory a dubious legal theory proposing the president of the United States has absolute power over the executive branch upon inauguration.

literally cannot happen

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Murphiroth
05/02/24 12:41:04 PM
#139:


mario2000 posted...
literally cannot happen


Deej posted...
"Trump says a lot of things. There's no way that'd actually happen. Not in America."

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Umbreon
05/02/24 12:46:21 PM
#140:


mario2000 posted...
literally cannot happen

Only people saying this are those who want it to happen or can afford to risk it happening.

Which one are you?

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:47:09 PM
#141:


Why didn't Trump make himself dictator the first time he was president?

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Umbreon
05/02/24 12:48:04 PM
#142:


And he's officially stopped trying.

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CountCorvinus
05/02/24 12:49:47 PM
#143:


mario2000 posted...
Why didn't Trump make himself dictator the first time he was president?

I can answer that.

Because he's incompetent. if he does get elected again, I'd be more worried about him croaking and his VP taking over.

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ssb_yunglink2
05/02/24 12:51:23 PM
#144:


mario2000 posted...
Why didn't Trump make himself dictator the first time he was president?
Lmao if anyone thinks this guy is serious about Gaza or politics at all just come back to this post


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ssb_yunglink2
05/02/24 12:52:35 PM
#145:


CountCorvinus posted...
I can answer that.

Because he's incompetent. if he does get elected again, I'd be more worried about him croaking and his VP taking over.
Project 2025 is designed to work with any republican in power. So it really doesnt matter if Trump dies. If he wins the election we are fucked

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Kaldrenthebold
05/02/24 12:52:56 PM
#146:


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ai123
05/02/24 12:53:21 PM
#147:


mario2000 posted...
literally cannot happen
If we assume that all the terrible policies on Trump's website and Project 2025 won't happen (dangerous and stupid, but let's go with it as a hypothetical), what policies do they have which will make life better than it is under the Democrats?

Or will a Trump regime be the same as a Biden one, but with just with a more ridiculous and corrupt figurehead?

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CountCorvinus
05/02/24 12:56:10 PM
#148:


ssb_yunglink2 posted...
Project 2025 is designed to work with any republican in power. So it really doesnt matter if Trump dies. If he wins the election we are fucked

We're already fucked. Dems are trying to lose.

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mario2000
05/02/24 12:57:26 PM
#149:


CountCorvinus posted...
I can answer that.

Because he's incompetent. if he does get elected again, I'd be more worried about him croaking and his VP taking over.

The only solace is that it's Trump who's the cult leader and the people want their shitlord in chief and not some other guy, but at that point it really wouldn't matter.

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ssb_yunglink2
05/02/24 12:58:13 PM
#150:


CountCorvinus posted...
We're already fucked. Dems are trying to lose.
This is where people begin to heavily disagree with you. If Biden wins we are so so ridiculously less fucked than if trump gets elected.


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