Current Events > Iran drones currently en route to Israel.

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falayyou01 posted...

Western countries have better social views on average? Says who?

western countries' views have definitely become less repressive. but over the course of the past 100 years the west has made a lot of eastern countries' views more repressive. Iran is actually a great example because it was a lot less conservative before US intervention. of course this is all by design to bolster the propaganda of the "enlightened" west against the "uncivilized" east.

ssk9716757 posted...

western countries' views have definitely become less repressive. but over the course of the past 100 years the west has made a lot of eastern countries' views more repressive. Iran is actually a great example because it was a lot less conservative before US intervention. of course this is all by design to bolster the propaganda of the "enlightened" west against the "uncivilized" east.

Who/what authority decides what makes a society better though ?

Gods chosen people Americans clearly

/s

Necronmon posted...

If your pro Iran at this point then there's no hope for you. No matter how much mistakes Israel have made everything links all the misery of the middle east can be linked to either Iran or Saudi Arabia in the end.

or the United States

CADE_FOSTER posted...

Gods chosen people Americans clearly

/s

Ah I see

Man none of y'all wanted to post in my thread about it yesterday.

famfam posted...

or the United States

Or the UK mostly them

andel posted...

the world in 1914 was definitely no more irrational than it is now. the world is generally better now due to better technology and medicine, and western countries have much better social views on average, but the leaders of nations now are no better when it comes to rational decision making in foreign affairs. you get good ones and bad ones and many more bad than good

Most Western countries also developed thanks to their colonial projects, but in the developing world many still live in poverty due to most of their resources being stolen even as of today.

lol wtf Iran man they def just postering

CADE_FOSTER posted...

lol wtf Iran man they def just postering

Save face missiles, clearly all discussed behind closed doors.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1888158/israel-response-iran-drone-strike-ballistic-missile

"The country's war cabinet has approved a "powerful response on Iranian soil".

Uuuuuuuugh

Israel literally doesnt give a fuck because they have America protecting them

Israel will not let this opportunity go to waste. Funny how they suddenly have reaffirmed support from countries that were wavering and now some justification for attacking Iran and escalating.

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Iranian missles flying over al aqsa mosque

Unsuprised_Pika posted...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1888158/israel-response-iran-drone-strike-ballistic-missile

"The country's war cabinet has approved a "powerful response on Iranian soil".

Uuuuuuuugh

It's only ok when Iran directly attacks Israeli soil! Not the other way around!
Iran just normalized it. Quite stupid when they had perfected the coward's game of arming "militia groups" in other countries to do the dirty work for them.

On that note, let it not be forgotten that Hezbollah decided to join in the volley to attempt to overload Israel's defenses as part of this attack.

Also, since it seems to be slipping thru the proverbial cracks of this board's interest...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/middleeast/iran-navy-container-ship-israel-intl/index.html

Iran "defending itself" from a container ship.

Can I root against Israel here without being moderated?

I didn't have WW3 on my 2024 bingo card.

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Interesting

LonelyStoner posted...

Can I root against Israel here without being moderated?

Rooting against Israel in a conflict with Iran is some primo brainrot

Doom_Art posted...

Rooting against Israel in a conflict with Iran is some primo brainrot

Even Jordan is helping Israel shoot down the drones/missiles, or at least it's being reported in a blurb about 3/4 down this page.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/13/iran-launches-drone-attack-against-israel

Lets be honest, not many countries in the middle east like Iran at all.

falayyou01 posted...

Save face missiles, clearly all discussed behind closed doors.

I could belive this.

LonelyStoner posted...

Can I root against Israel here without being moderated?

No. Iran has stated for years they want to wipe out Israel.

Monolith1676 posted...

I didn't have WW3 on my 2024 bingo card.

That was actually on the 2021 bingo card.

Monolith1676 posted...

I didn't have WW3 on my 2024 bingo card.

As someone who spent quite amount of time worrying about WW3, please stop talking about WW3.

Duncan do yourself a favor and stay the fuck out of this thread.

Duncan don't jpg

It's always fun when there's a string of missing posts and then people start admonishing Duncan.

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streamofthesky posted...

It's only ok when Iran directly attacks Israeli soil! Not the other way around!
Iran just normalized it. Quite stupid when they had perfected the coward's game of arming "militia groups" in other countries to do the dirty work for them.

On that note, let it not be forgotten that Hezbollah decided to join in the volley to attempt to overload Israel's defenses as part of this attack.

Also, since it seems to be slipping thru the proverbial cracks of this board's interest...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/middleeast/iran-navy-container-ship-israel-intl/index.html

Iran "defending itself" from a container ship.

And totally justifies the genocide in Gaza right? /s

Fenriswolf posted...

And totally justifies the genocide in Gaza right? /s

How is that relevant to Israel being allowed to defend themselves when another country attacks them?

Oh, right, it's not. Shut the fuck up and go back to the kids table.

falayyou01 posted...

Western countries have better social views on average? Says who?

in the early 1900's stuff like being gay or being black in public was illegal. this has gotten much better. the right is trying to go backwards on many of these issues, but society at large and legally we have progressed a ton compared to where we were then.

i would imagine other countries outside of the west have progressed in these areas as well, but i live in the west and know it is easier to live for people now than it was then. definitely significant progress in the last 100+ years. in the united states women can now vote, black people can legally go anywhere white people can and gay people can't be arrested for existing.

Crazyman93 posted...

How is that relevant to Israel being allowed to defend themselves when another country attacks them?

Oh, right, it's not. Shut the fuck up and go back to the kids table.

Literally defending the board's resident Israel apologist who just got out of a suspension LMAO.

Fenriswolf posted...

Literally defending the board's resident Israel apologist who just got out of a suspension LMAO.

I've noticed any time you reply to me lately, on any topic you claim I "just got out of a suspension" when that hasn't been the case, in any of the times you've claimed it.

Also, pot meet kettle...

Fenriswolf posted...

Most Western countries also developed thanks to their colonial projects, but in the developing world many still live in poverty due to most of their resources being stolen even as of today.

neo colonialism is definitely still a problem, with china being the main culprit today with them blatantly stealing resources and trapping poorer countries in generational poverty. the united states has never been blameless in that regard, but china and to a lesser degree russia are doing it much more openly and blatantly now

andel posted...

neo colonialism is definitely still a problem, with china being the main culprit today with them blatantly stealing resources and trapping poorer countries in generational poverty. the united states has never been blameless in that regard, but china and to a lesser degree russia are doing it much more openly and blatantly now

LMAO. Like the fact that Chinese loans actually account for less than the IMF? And the fact that China has in fact renegotiated and forgave much of its loans, and it's the developing countries approaching China?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-17/the-myth-of-chinese-debt-trap-diplomacy-in-africa
https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022/05/20/chinese-loans-and-investment-in-infrastructure-have-been-huge

You remind me of this American woman who thinks the Chinese building ports in Africa is worse than the US starting wars.

https://youtu.be/n8Y57ULVqC8

Oh hey it's the resident wumao.

putting fenris on ignore does makes ce better

Fenriswolf posted...

LMAO. Like the fact that Chinese loans actually account for less than the IMF? And the fact that China has in fact renegotiated and forgave much of its loans, and it's the developing countries approaching China?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-17/the-myth-of-chinese-debt-trap-diplomacy-in-africa
https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022/05/20/chinese-loans-and-investment-in-infrastructure-have-been-huge

You remind me of this American woman who thinks the Chinese building ports in Africa is worse than the US starting wars.

https://youtu.be/n8Y57ULVqC8

LMAO LOL shut the fuck up haha! Does saying LMAO make it easier for you to get?

Fenriswolf posted...

LMAO. Like the fact that Chinese loans actually account for less than the IMF? And the fact that China has in fact renegotiated and forgave much of its loans, and it's the developing countries approaching China?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-17/the-myth-of-chinese-debt-trap-diplomacy-in-africa
https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022/05/20/chinese-loans-and-investment-in-infrastructure-have-been-huge

You remind me of this American woman who thinks the Chinese building ports in Africa is worse than the US starting wars.

https://youtu.be/n8Y57ULVqC8

china is the current prototype for neo colonialism. they are not only exploitative, they are at times openly racist.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/chinas-ugly-exploitation-of-africaand-africans

and we see how china is making a mad grab for african resources while attempting a debt trap scheme. they are causing unprecedented deforestation on the continent and mining resources at mind numbing speed. the economic impact is short term as outlined in the yale article below and the longterm ramifications will mean continuing to raze the land and pilfer resources while trapping poor nations in generational debt. russia is engaging in the same kind of behavior by using groups like wagner (the neonazi militia) as a proxy.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/the-dark-legacy-of-chinas-drive-for-global-resources

Iran.

andel posted...

china is the current prototype for neo colonialism. they are not only exploitative, they are at times openly racist.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/chinas-ugly-exploitation-of-africaand-africans

and we see how china is making a mad grab for african resources while attempting a debt trap scheme. they are causing unprecedented deforestation on the continent and mining resources at mind numbing speed. the economic impact is short term as outlined in the yale article below and the longterm ramifications will mean continuing to raze the land and pilfer resources while trapping poor nations in generational debt. russia is engaging in the same kind of behavior by using groups like wagner (the neonazi militia) as a proxy.

https://e360.yale.edu/features/the-dark-legacy-of-chinas-drive-for-global-resources

I like how you completely ignored my point, and just put your fingers in your ear and repeat US propaganda from the Trump administration. Fact remains that your claims of "debt traps" does not correlate with actual data which clearly shows that China has renegotiated most of its loans. It only seized assets in ONE occasion.

https://youtu.be/7gwgcIfzttA

https://qz.com/1391770/the-anxious-chorus-around-chinese-debt-trap-diplomacy-doesnt-reflect-african-realities/

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/data-doesn-t-support-belt-and-road-debt-trap-claims-20190502-p51jhx.html

In April 2019, the Rhodium Group said that China's leverage in debt was limited in power. According to a May 2019 Sydney Morning Herald article, accusations of "debt trap diplomacy" were being questioned by new research; an analysis of 40 Chinese debt re-negotiations by the Rhodium Group found "asset seizures are a very rare occurrence", and debt write-off is the most common outcome. The article also reported the views of Australian National University senior lecturer Darren Lim, who (referring to the Rhodium Group study) said that much of the leverage shifts to the borrower rather than the lender after the loan has been made. Lim also said that although the debt-trap diplomacy theory was never credible, the Trump administration embraced it. La Trobe University head of humanities and social sciences Nick Bisley said that China aimed to build political capital through the BRI, but asset seizures would not achieve that end.

Jesus Harold Christ on a pogo stick, I'm not high enough for this.

The attack was a complete joke.

On the topic of China, the Middle East is a non-factor and might as well be invisible to any Asian country. They don't have to deal with their refugees or protests on home soil.

Fenriswolf posted...

I like how you completely ignored my point, and just put your fingers in your ear and repeat US propaganda from the Trump administration. Fact remains that your claims of "debt traps" does not correlate with actual data which clearly shows that China has renegotiated most of its loans. It only seized assets in ONE occasion.

https://youtu.be/7gwgcIfzttA

https://qz.com/1391770/the-anxious-chorus-around-chinese-debt-trap-diplomacy-doesnt-reflect-african-realities/

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/data-doesn-t-support-belt-and-road-debt-trap-claims-20190502-p51jhx.html

you are regurgitating chinese propaganda while ignoring china's blatant pillaging of land and resources and trapping multiple impoverished nations in generational debt. they are using the same playbook the wagner group and russians are using, buying a foothold with corrupt regimes while pillaging resources and destroying the land.

'renegotiating' debt traps =/= forgiving debt, they are just leveraging their position to accumulate more and more resources while offering short term payoffs to specific regimes they know are open to selling out the future for commas in offshore bank accounts.

china's current "belt and road" model of neo colonialism is the most blatant and appalling example of modern exploitation. they have long been content to bulldoze low income families out of their homes to build gaudy eyesores that will be empty in a decade and offer nothing but financial ruin to local communities. china has taken the long held western tradition of exploiting impoverished nations and trapping them in generational poverty and perfected it with their own brand of evil for the 21st century. chinese foreign policy consists of uncontrollable greed and the spreading of misery in their wake.

Imo, if Israel wants to attack Iran, they're free to do so, but they'll have to find allies to protect them.

The US sending troops to fight their war is a non starter.

andel posted...

you are regurgitating chinese propaganda while ignoring china's blatant pillaging of land and resources and trapping multiple impoverished nations in generational debt. they are using the same playbook the wagner group and russians are using, buying a foothold with corrupt regimes while pillaging resources and destroying the land.

'renegotiating' debt traps =/= forgiving debt, they are just leveraging their position to accumulate more and more resources while offering short term payoffs to specific regimes they know are open to selling out the future for commas in offshore bank accounts.

china's current "belt and road" model of neo colonialism is the most blatant and appalling example of modern exploitation. they have long been content to bulldoze low income families out of their homes to build gaudy eyesores that will be empty in a decade and offer nothing but financial ruin to local communities. china has taken the long held western tradition of exploiting impoverished nations and trapping them in generational poverty and perfected it with their own brand of evil for the 21st century. chinese foreign policy consists of uncontrollable greed and the spreading of misery in their wake.

Yawn more useless personal anecdotes based on stereotypes and hearsay. China's domestic policies are irrelevant to their foreign policies.

Facts based on actual research shows that Chinese economic investment in foreign countries are far more benign. But hey keep regurgitating nonsense Trump used as propaganda in the trade war.

https://rhg.com/research/new-data-on-the-debt-trap-question/

Debt renegotiations and distress among borrowing countries are common. The sheer volume of debt renegotiations points to legitimate concerns about the sustainability of Chinas outbound lending. More cases of distress are likely in a few years as many Chinese projects were launched from 2013 to 2016, along with the loans to finance them.

Asset seizures are a rare occurrence. Debt renegotiations usually involve a more balanced outcome between lender and borrower, ranging from extensions of loan terms and repayment deadlines to explicit refinancing, or partial or even total debt forgiveness (the most common outcome).

Despite its economic weight, Chinas leverage in negotiations is limited. Many of the cases reviewed involved an outcome in the favor of the borrower, and especially so when host countries had access to alternative financing sources or relied on an external event (such as a change in leadership) to demand different terms.

Fenriswolf posted...

Yawn more useless personal anecdotes based on stereotypes and hearsay. China's domestic policies are irrelevant to their foreign policies.

Facts based on actual research shows that Chinese economic investment in foreign countries are far more benign. But hey keep regurgitating nonsense Trump used as propaganda in the trade war.

https://rhg.com/research/new-data-on-the-debt-trap-question/

you continue to evade actually addressing the issue, which is why china is pillaging resources of impoverished nations by cutting deals with brutal regimes?

asset seizures are 'rare' because china just cuts another deal to pillage more resources. if china was just some benevolent benefactor they wouldn't be contributing to unprecedented levels of deforestation and strip mining any resources they can lay their hands on.

keep mindlessly shilling by linking to articles that make china look even more predatory and evil in its foreign relations, you are just making my job easier.

andel posted...

you continue to evade actually addressing the issue, which is why china is pillaging resources of impoverished nations by cutting deals with brutal regimes?

asset seizures are 'rare' because china just cuts another deal to pillage more resources. if china was just some benevolent benefactor they wouldn't be contributing to unprecedented levels of deforestation and strip mining any resources they can lay their hands on.

keep mindlessly shilling by linking to articles that make china look even more predatory and evil in its foreign relations, you are just making my job easier.

LOL did your high school teacher tell you to cite evidence when making extraordinary claims, or did she tell you it's okay to make up nonsense because "freeze peace"?

You continue to dismiss evidence from actual researchers because it doesn't fit your narrative of "China bad". Meanwhile actual researchers prove otherwise, like Gyude Moore who noted that the US is less interested in actually helping Africans, than stopping China. The US thinks African countries are convenient places to dispense aid, while the Chinese are actually building critical infrastructure like roads bypassing old colonial borders. The US government didn't even bother to meet African delegates until China got involved.

Is China acting in their own interests? Of course, considering that no country does it out of altruism. But you're deluding yourself if you think that China's current economic policies are somehow worse than American and European imperialism, like the Belgians turning Congo into a giant plantation.

https://youtu.be/P5uzxV8ub9k

Does everyone have drones now?

tripleh213 posted...

Does everyone have drones now?

Why not?
Russia is buying drones from Iran, and Iran sponsor terrorist groups around Israel so it make sense that they send some their ways.

Amazing how Fenris has managed to turn this into yet another fucking excuse to shill for China