Current Events > Hypothetically if the Bill Clinton affair scandal had happened exactly the same

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..way but he were just a republican president....do any of you believe what happened after would have been very similar? Democrats trying to impeach him , or remove him from office...etc..?

It never would have been discovered since dems dont make a habit of going on fishing expeditions to find dirt on their opponents.

loafy013 posted...

It never would have been discovered since dems dont make a habit of going on fishing expeditions to find dirt on their opponents.

Oh really, you're certain if this though?

UT1999 posted...

Oh really, you're certain if this though?

If you have some examples, I'd love to hear them. You know, stuff similar to starting an investigation into a land deal then keep veering off onto tangents when nothing comes to light, eventually landing on the president NOT having sexual relations with an intern according to their own definitions.

UT1999 posted...

Oh really, you're certain if this though?

Yeah I remember thinking Macaine shot himself in the foot cause he was too nice while the dems would find stuff to drag him through the mud over. I remember stupid shit like he didnr know how to use a computer or something.

I specifically remember seeing a debate or something and someone in thr crowd started talking shit about Obama and mcaine told them to quit.

For the most part this really is a both sides thing. Remember my grandad bitching only dems got caught up in sex scandals and a quick Google search and I found one on a republican. He was a bit pissed with me.

loafy013 posted...

If you have some examples, I'd love to hear them. You know, stuff similar to starting an investigation into a land deal then keep veering off onto tangents when nothing comes to light, eventually landing on the president NOT having sexual relations with an intern according to their own definitions.

Don't really remember, so the repubs at that time really did not define sexual relations, like that, at all? Maybe Clinton was correct all along

Trump lying under oath about a blumpkin would be hilarious.

Yes, becasue he wasn't impeached because he had an affair, he was impeached for lying under oath about it and obstruction of justice.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Yeah I remember thinking Macaine shot himself in the foot cause he was too nice while the dems would find stuff to drag him through the mud over. I remember stupid shit like he didnr know how to use a computer or something.

I specifically remember seeing a debate or something and someone in thr crowd started talking shit about Obama and mcaine told them to quit.

For the most part this really is a both sides thing. Remember my grandad bitching only dems got caught up in sex scandals and a quick Google search and I found one on a republican. He was a bit pissed with me.

Oh really, do you believe at all though that the majority of sex scandals do involve Dems, like your grandad thought?

bigblu89 posted...

Yes, becasue he wasn't impeached because he had an affair, he was impeached for lying under oath about it and obstruction of justice.

You think so? The vast majority of others in this topic disagree though

Smallville posted...

You think so? The vast majority of others in this topic disagree though

Yes, I do.

I would go into more details, but I don't have the time to fight the "same sides" venom that will be thrown at me if I continue.

Republicans would have defended the shit out of him. After Nixon, Republicans took their stance of defending each other until the orange idiot threw a wrench into that and even then they are still defending their shittiest members.

bigblu89 posted...

Yes, I do.

I would go into more details, but I don't have the time to fight the "same sides" venom that will be thrown at me if I continue.

Are you mostly republican? This board is prob more dem than the national avg. Possibly much more so

Smallville posted...

Are you mostly republican? This board is prob more dem than the national avg. Possibly much more so

No, I'm definitely Left, but I'm not blindly Left.

If Clinton was a republican the investigation that lead to the discovery of the affair never would have happened. They were looking for financial crimes related to the Whitewater Development corporation. Pretty much the same thing repubs are doing now with Biden.

creativerealms posted...

If Clinton was a republican the investigation that lead to the discovery of the affair never would have happened. They were looking for financial crimes related to the Whitewater Development corporation. Pretty much the same thing repubs are doing now with Biden.

So if L Jean Lewis was a Democrat in 1992, you don't think she would have looked into it?

loafy013 posted...

It never would have been discovered since dems dont make a habit of going on fishing expeditions to find dirt on their opponents.

That's a WILD take. Both sides spend ungodly amounts of time trying to fish for dirt on their opponents.

bigblu89 posted...

No, I'm definitely Left, but I'm not blindly Left.

Then you run a very high risk of being banned on this board. Blindly left is the only way to go here. I was recently purgatoried for referring to another user as "radical" after they expressed extremely radical political positions that 95%+ of the democratic party would not agree with.

Ninjaluver posted...

That's a WILD take. Both sides spend ungodly amounts of time trying to fish for dirt on their opponents.

Its insane how divided we always are. I blame it on a two party system.

Ninjaluver posted...

Then you run a very high risk of being banned on this board. Blindly left is the only way to go here. I was recently purgatoried for referring to another user as "radical" after they expressed extremely radical political positions that 95%+ of the democratic party would not agree with.

I'm sure that was the reason you got yourself banned. Surely it wasn't something you specifically said or did that got you in trouble. Context you are intentionally leaving out.

It seems to be a commonality of those who break the law or rules, and play victim.

bigblu89 posted...

No, I'm definitely Left, but I'm not blindly Left.

People who say this are usually right wing

Ninjaluver posted...

Then you run a very high risk of being banned on this board. Blindly left is the only way to go here. I was recently purgatoried for referring to another user as "radical" after they expressed extremely radical political positions that 95%+ of the democratic party would not agree with.

People still say this shit like some random new users gonna be like oh wow I totally believe that.

good luck pushing that lie further Mr. 1k Karma on a near 20 year old account.

Ninjaluver posted...

Then you run a very high risk of being banned on this board.

Only in the sense that those people typically say horrendous shit that gets them banned.

creativerealms posted...

If Clinton was a republican the investigation that lead to the discovery of the affair never would have happened. They were looking for financial crimes related to the Whitewater Development corporation. Pretty much the same thing repubs are doing now with Biden.

If Clinton was a republican, Whitewater probably would have turned up actual crimes and there wouldn't need to be a fishing expedition to find random bullshit that led to the affair. Democrats haven't had the need to sink to that level because the shit they look into actually IS a thing, hence Donnie's 2 impeachments vs. the shit they had to fling at the wall for Clinton.

@LightningThief posted...

I'm sure that was the reason you got yourself banned. Surely it wasn't something you specifically said or did that got you in trouble. Context you are intentionally leaving out.

It seems to be a commonality of those who break the law or rules, and play victim.

@Zeeak4444 posted...

People still say this shit like some random new users gonna be like oh wow I totally believe that.

good luck pushing that lie further Mr. 1k Karma on a near 20 year old account.

No....that really is what got me purgatoried. I'll post the image below. Only reason the top part is cut off is to censor the other user's username so that I'm not modded for calling that user radical again.

As you can see, my moderation reason is literally "Please do not call users radical.", and because it's a purgatory/suspension, there is no opportunity to appeal or contest the moderation because apparently that's how this site works.

But as you can see, supporting Biden is not far left enough for this particular board. You need to be so far left that you don't support the party's candidate, because the party's candidate isn't far left enough for the most extreme.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6773eaa0.png

Ninjaluver posted...

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No....that really is what got me purgatoried. I'll post the image below. Only reason the top part is cut off is to censor the other user's username so that I'm not modded for calling that user radical again.

As you can see, my moderation reason is literally "Please do not call users radical.", and because it's a purgatory/suspension, there is no opportunity to appeal or contest the moderation because apparently that's how this site works.

But as you can see, supporting Biden is not far left enough for this particular board. You need to be so far left that you don't support the party's candidate, because the party's candidate isn't far left enough for the most extreme.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6773eaa0.png

Did you have prior moderation history? Many times that is a big factor

Smallville posted...

Did you have prior moderation history? Many times that is a big factor

Of course I did, with equally ridiculous moderations (on this board of course). All for the same line of reasoning, being left-wing but not so far left that you agree with the extreme positions of the moderators. I wouldn't be canvassing for Biden if I wasn't a staunch democrat. I simply didn't care enough to try to appeal the first couple because the consequence of losing Karma just because a moderator disagrees with your position doesn't seem like a real consequence. Once they start putting real consequences, there's no longer even an opportunity to appeal them. If any neutral third-party actually reviewed my moderations, they would see that my comments were not actually anything worthy of moderation, just like the above.

Aside from that, why would that matter? The point is that the above moderation is clearly not worthy of moderation. What rule does it violate?

"Radical" is not an insult. Radical is a descriptive term for the relative popularity of one's political positions. It's a factual statement. Someone is radical if they have positions that are only held by a minority of people on a certain end of a political spectrum. It is a fact that if you espouse political positions held by a tiny minority in the extreme end of the political spectrum, you are by definition, radical.

It's not even ascribing a value judgment on their views. Someone can have a view that is both radical and still a good view.

Ninjaluver posted...

All for the same line of reasoning, being left-wing but not so far left that you agree with the extreme positions of the moderators.

Lol. There are literal anti-vax mods around.

Ninjaluver posted...

Of course I did, with equally ridiculous moderations (on this board of course). All for the same line of reasoning, being left-wing but not so far left that you agree with the extreme positions of the moderators. I wouldn't be canvassing for Biden if I wasn't a staunch democrat. I simply didn't care enough to try to appeal the first couple because the consequence of losing Karma just because a moderator disagrees with your position doesn't seem like a real consequence. Once they start putting real consequences, there's no longer even an opportunity to appeal them. If any neutral third-party actually reviewed my moderations, they would see that my comments were not actually anything worthy of moderation, just like the above.

Aside from that, why would that matter? The point is that the above moderation is clearly not worthy of moderation. What rule does it violate?

"Radical" is not an insult. Radical is a descriptive term for the relative popularity of one's political positions. It's a factual statement. Someone is radical if they have positions that are only held by a minority of people on a certain end of a political spectrum. It is a fact that if you espouse political positions held by a tiny minority in the extreme end of the political spectrum, you are by definition, radical.

Doesn't suspension stay on forever now? Before it didn't. You don't agree with this rule change?

Heineken14 posted...

Lol. There are literal anti-vax mods around.

Really? Have not personally seen that

Heineken14 posted...

Lol. There are literal anti-vax mods around.

I'm sure there are, and I would find that absurd. But that just highlights the problem with how this site is structured. The moderators are given absolute free reign to do whatever they want with no accountability because the site is no longer profitable enough to provide any sort of oversight. It comes down to each individual moderator's personal opinion.

You've highlighted the problem of "it just depends on which moderator your post goes in front of". I'm sure the anti-vax mods you're describing wouldn't have moderated my post, but because it went in front of someone else, they found it to be disagreeable and can thus purgatory the user without any repercussion or review.

EndOfDiscOne posted...

People who say this are usually right wing

Reactions like this is why I rarely talk politics on CE.

Heres my general take on US Politics.

Im 46 years old and live a very simple middle class suburban lifestyle.

When people argue about The Economy my thoughts are My bills are paid, my kids are fed. Could it be better? Yes. Could it be worse? Also yes. Ill worry about what the Dow and my 401k are when Im 60, not 46.

So when it come to politics and Picking a wing lean on social issues. One party is actively trying to take peoples rights away. Reproductive rights from people like my 18 year old daughter. LGBTQ rights like my brother in law and his husband. Paths to citizenship that the best man at my wedding used to become a US Citizen.

So I side with the Party that is actively fighting to protect those rights.

I hope that clears things up as to whether or not Im right wing you fucking Jackwagon.

60% of Republicans would still vote for Trump if he were convicted of crimes charged.

It's not about who is a good guy or a bad guy. The reason to vote for him (or the next-worst thing) is because he enables racism and other forms of bigotry. People are going to stop hating Jewish people, LGBTQ people, Black people, Asian people, or Hispanic people just because their champion has an affair or commits treason.

EndOfDiscOne posted...

People who say this are usually right wing

not really, its just that on CE you have to state this constantly to make sure you dont get ganged up on

LightningThief posted...

I'm sure that was the reason you got yourself banned. Surely it wasn't something you specifically said or did that got you in trouble. Context you are intentionally leaving out.

It seems to be a commonality of those who break the law or rules, and play victim.

ninja is probably the most cordial debater i've seen on this forum, easy for me to believe he is telling the truth

the last time trump had an affair he literally fed the story to the tabloids

FortuneCookie posted...

60% of Republicans would still vote for Trump if he were convicted of crimes charged.

It's not about who is a good guy or a bad guy. The reason to vote for him (or the next-worst thing) is because he enables racism and other forms of bigotry. People are going to stop hating Jewish people, LGBTQ people, Black people, Asian people, or Hispanic people just because their champion has an affair or commits treason.

While I agree with most of your post, the inclusion of Jewish people seems very inaccurate given the insane amount of antisemitism that permeates the "progressive" left these days.

I am seeing a ton of people on the left parrot phrases like "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free", supporting Hamas, calling every Israeli citizen including babies "colonizers and settlers", and saying anybody who believes Israel has a right to exist "genocidal".

While it's true that the actual candidate representing the party, Joe Biden, has been pretty supportive or neutral on Israel, there's definitely a very vocal and online-present section of the left that is antisemitic.

I say this as someone that generally supports the Palestinian cause and detests much of what the IDF has done. I think Netanyahu is a clown, and I know many Israelis think the same. But there is definitely a line that is crossed on the left right now where it becomes antisemitism under the supposed guise of just "anti-Zionism".

Ninjaluver posted...

While I agree with most of your post, the inclusion of Jewish people seems very inaccurate given the insane amount of antisemitism that permeates the "progressive" left these days.

I am seeing a ton of people on the left parrot phrases like "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free", supporting Hamas, calling every Israeli citizen including babies "colonizers and settlers", and saying anybody who believes Israel has a right to exist "genocidal".

While it's true that the actual candidate representing the party, Joe Biden, has been pretty supportive or neutral on Israel, there's definitely a very vocal and online-present section of the left that is antisemitic.

I say this as someone that generally supports the Palestinian cause and detests much of what the IDF has done. I think Netanyahu is a clown, and I know many Israelis think the same. But there is definitely a line that is crossed on the left right now where it becomes antisemitism under the supposed guise of just "anti-Zionism".

oh really, a very vocal section....? possibly you are right though. Had not thought about it

The GOP raised such a stink on Clinton but went on to elect a Child Molester (Dennis Hastert) right after as House Speaker

BigSLM1993 posted...

The GOP raised such a stink on Clinton but went on to elect a Child Molester (Dennis Hastert) right after as House Speaker

hastert was forced out yrs ago right? iirc

Smallville posted...

oh really, a very vocal section....? possibly you are right though. Had not thought about it

If you're not aware, then you're doing things right. That means you're staying away from Twitter/X and the corners of the internet I'm exposed to. I promise you though that there is a very passionate sect of the left right now that feels all Israelis are animals and that anybody who supports Israel's existence is a genocidal maniac. It's reached the point where they refer to all Jewish people as Zionists. I've seen multiple people on Twitter say that anybody who chooses to live in Israel is worse than the Nazi German soldiers stationed at the concentration camps.

The most mainstream telling point for me was when Ethan Klein from H3H3Productions (popular youtuber/streamer) received the most unhinged hatred for expressing the most tame views on the conflict. He condemned the IDF and the Israeli government, but he said Hamas committed a terrorist attack on October 7th, 2023, and he dared to say that the children in Israel were innocent and not "settlers/colonizers".

For that, he and his wife received countless death threats, and all of his social media is still regularly bombarded with comments calling him sub-human and a genocidal animal. There's been countless "memes" across the internet of his wife murdering Palestinian children and calling her a dog despite the fact that she never did anything besides be involuntarily conscripted to serve in the force (as all Israelis are) for a couple years and likely never saw real action. The Hasan Piker (if you know who that is) discord is particularly bad for this.

It's just especially surprising given that Ethan is giving a take that is further left of what would be considered the mainstream Democrat position on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

Ninjaluver posted...

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No....that really is what got me purgatoried. I'll post the image below. Only reason the top part is cut off is to censor the other user's username so that I'm not modded for calling that user radical again.

As you can see, my moderation reason is literally "Please do not call users radical.", and because it's a purgatory/suspension, there is no opportunity to appeal or contest the moderation because apparently that's how this site works.

But as you can see, supporting Biden is not far left enough for this particular board. You need to be so far left that you don't support the party's candidate, because the party's candidate isn't far left enough for the most extreme.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6773eaa0.png

You aren't posting the full context like I said.

People seem to think posting the moderation is proof they are some victim.

Full context means the entire conversation, how often you have been warned of an offense, etc.

For example, your own picture included the word, harassment. Harassment implies more than just one post.

There's always a commonality of those who break the rules and laws of an establishment, then play victim when they are reprimanded. Like a victim complex.

Naves7 posted...

ninja is probably the most cordial debater i've seen on this forum, easy for me to believe he is telling the truth

A 7 active post account being dusted off to white knight for another user. How convenient.

Ninjaluver posted...

While I agree with most of your post, the inclusion of Jewish people seems very inaccurate given the insane amount of antisemitism that permeates the "progressive" left these days.

And what about the actual insane amount of antisemitism coming from the right that has been there for yonks? Instead of having to jump around on Twitter to find people supporting Palestine, you instead have sitting members of Congress passing around conspiracy theories about Jewish space lasers, the current republican presidential nominee doing the whole "Jews control the world" conspiracy, the countless examples of anti-Semitic dog whistles politicians on the right use to rally their base, or the many Nazi flags flown at republican rallys that are not disavowed by said politicians.

LightningThief posted...

You aren't posting the full context like I said.

People seem to think posting the moderation is proof they are some victim.

Full context means the entire conversation, how often you have been warned of an offense, etc.

For example, your own picture included the word, harassment. Harassment implies more than just one post.

There's always a commonality of those who break the rules and laws of an establishment, then play victim when they are reprimanded. Like a victim complex.

A 7 active post account being dusted off to white knight for another user. How convenient.

Lol. I literally proved you wrong and made your post look absurd, and now your response is, "well you have to post the entire thing" meaning their username so that I will be moderated again because I would again be calling a particular user radical. That's a terrible bait.

I already posted my entire post and the entire moderation reason, so there is no context missing. That is the context. The part that's cut out is literally just their username and that username's post.

Heineken14 posted...

And what about the actual insane amount of antisemitism coming from the right that has been there for yonks? Instead of having to jump around on Twitter to find people supporting Palestine, you instead have sitting members of Congress passing around conspiracy theories about Jewish space lasers, the current republican presidential nominee doing the whole "Jews control the world" conspiracy, the countless examples of anti-Semitic dog whistles politicians on the right use to rally their base, or the many Nazi flags flown at republican rallys that are not disavowed by said politicians.

The difference is I am already writing the right off. The right has always been antisemitic and always will be.

It hurts much more to see the left be antisemitic. You have people from popular far left-wing shows like Emma Vigeland from the Majority Report implying that Trump would be better than Biden for the Israel-Palestine conflict because he would withdraw support from Israel. That's how far gone the far left has become.

I'm not religious. I'm atheist and always have been, but it hurts seeing left-wing people that I used to respect call my sister (who is Jewish) a sub-human animal because she dared to call the October 7th attack a terrorist attack and comdemn Hamas.

The GOP literally elected a guy that cheated on all his wives. And have who know how many rape and sexual misconduct (even bragging how he could do what he wants).

So they would be highfiving Clinton back then, but disappointed he wasn't even more of a scumbag now as the current leader of the GOP.

Ninjaluver posted...

Then you run a very high risk of being banned on this board. Blindly left is the only way to go here. I was recently purgatoried for referring to another user as "radical" after they expressed extremely radical political positions that 95%+ of the democratic party would not agree with.

Whose fucking alt is this clown?

ScazarMeltex posted...

Whose fucking alt is this clown?

See post #25 and realize how foolish you're being. The moderation is of this account, and the moderation is indefensible.

LightningThief posted...

You aren't posting the full context like I said.

People seem to think posting the moderation is proof they are some victim.

Full context means the entire conversation, how often you have been warned of an offense, etc.

For example, your own picture included the word, harassment. Harassment implies more than just one post.

There's always a commonality of those who break the rules and laws of an establishment, then play victim when they are reprimanded. Like a victim complex.

A 7 active post account being dusted off to white knight for another user. How convenient.

is there where i point out your account isnt even a year old and whine?

i dont post often because of BS like this