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Wolverine 03/02/24 6:21:50 PM #151:	Mandarin in Iron Man 3 was pretty bad <cite>Wolverine posted [p:979152207] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Mandarin in Iron Man 3 was pretty bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 03/02/24 6:22:47 PM #152:	Toonstrack posted... Ain't no way yaol saying strnage now lmao hes top 5 strongest characters they've shown. The last movie had an alt strange literally soloing Thanos and NWH showed he has the ability to wipe the minds of every human on earth and undo it at will; not to mention travel dimensions through the multiverse freely You can dislike the way a character is handled even though theyre strong lmao. What kind of argument is this? A Strange whos been sorcerer supreme for several years should not have created the situation he did in No Way Home. A master of mystical arts should not be easily convinced by a child to create world ending catastrophes --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:979152219] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>Ain't no way yaol saying strnage now lmao hes top 5 strongest characters they've shown.The last movie had an alt strange literally soloing Thanos and NWH showed he has the ability to wipe the minds of every human on earth and undo it at will; not to mention travel dimensions through the multiverse freely</quote>You can dislike the way a character is handled even though theyre strong lmao. What kind of argument is this? A Strange whos been sorcerer supreme for several years should not have created the situation he did in No Way Home. A master of mystical arts should not be easily convinced by a child to create world ending catastrophes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 03/02/24 6:26:09 PM #153:	ssb_yunglink2 posted... You can dislike the way a character is handled even though theyre strong lmao. What kind of argument is this? A Strange whos been sorcerer supreme for several years should not have created the situation he did in No Way Home. A master of mystical arts should not be easily convinced by a child to create world ending catastrophes He didn't create the situation, Peter did bu screwing up his spell. Dr strange is arrogant af, he could he convinced by a lot of people to do things... and he was absolutely right that he could do it. But Peter screwed up. You either weren't paying attention or dont understand characterization. And Peter's not a child; he's a soldier who died fighting a war for the universe a couple years ago. Hes far from a child at this point, he's a superhero in his own right. --- This post didn't exist to you until you read it. You willed it into existence in your psyche by choosing to observe it. Thats the power you have. Use it well. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:979152263] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>You can dislike the way a character is handled even though theyre strong lmao. What kind of argument is this? A Strange whos been sorcerer supreme for several years should not have created the situation he did in No Way Home. A master of mystical arts should not be easily convinced by a child to create world ending catastrophes</quote>He didn't create the situation, Peter did bu screwing up his spell. Dr strange is arrogant af, he could he convinced by a lot of people to do things... and he was absolutely right that he could do it. But Peter screwed up.You either weren't paying attention or dont understand characterization. And Peter's not a child; he's a soldier who died fighting a war for the universe a couple years ago. Hes far from a child at this point, he's a superhero in his own right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 03/02/24 6:31:18 PM #154:	Toonstrack posted... He didn't create the situation, Peter did bu screwing up his spell. Dr strange is arrogant af, he could he convinced by a lot of people to do things... and he was absolutely right that he could do it. But Peter screwed up. You either weren't paying attention or dont understand characterization. And Peter's not a child; he's a soldier who died fighting a war for the universe a couple years ago. Hes far from a child at this point, he's a superhero in his own right. Peter and Strange are both incredibly intelligent and crafty. Youre telling me that some of the most intelligent superheroes couldnt have a small conversation discussing the ramifications and implications of the spell? And no, Peter is still very much a kid. Hes not Spider-man here fighting a villain with his powers, hes peter trying to maintain his secret identity and protect his friends and family. It was a plot convenience that needed to happen for the movies plot, but obviously people this smart should think to talk about something like this before mind wiping the entire world. --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:979152314] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>He didn't create the situation, Peter did bu screwing up his spell. Dr strange is arrogant af, he could he convinced by a lot of people to do things... and he was absolutely right that he could do it. But Peter screwed up.You either weren't paying attention or dont understand characterization. And Peter's not a child; he's a soldier who died fighting a war for the universe a couple years ago. Hes far from a child at this point, he's a superhero in his own right.</quote>Peter and Strange are both incredibly intelligent and crafty. Youre telling me that some of the most intelligent superheroes couldnt have a small conversation discussing the ramifications and implications of the spell? And no, Peter is still very much a kid. Hes not Spider-man here fighting a villain with his powers, hes peter trying to maintain his secret identity and protect his friends and family. It was a plot convenience that needed to happen for the movies plot, but obviously people this smart should think to talk about something like this before mind wiping the entire world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 03/02/24 6:31:28 PM #155:	StealThisSheen posted... Infinity War did nothing to actually irreparably harm Hulk, in the long run. Nobody who loved Hulk is suddenly going to stop wanting Hulk, which is why I don't feel he's a "dropped the ball" finalist. IW Hulk was fine as a part of a character arc that led into Endgame. It was Endgame itself that def ruined him. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:979152317] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite><quote>Infinity War did nothing to actually irreparably harm Hulk, in the long run. Nobody who loved Hulk is suddenly going to stop wanting Hulk, which is why I don't feel he's a "dropped the ball" finalist.</quote>IW Hulk was fine as a part of a character arc that led into Endgame. It was Endgame itself that def ruined him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClayGuida 03/02/24 6:53:03 PM #156:	Toonstrack posted... Hulk had an amazing showing in everything he was in up til infinity war. idk, he was Thor's bitch for Avengers, Iron Man's bitch in Avengers 2, Thor's bitch in Ragnarok, and then Thanos' bitch in Infinity War. He really didn't do anything of note fighting wise in Endgame from what I recall. I still think removing his volatility was the main issue as to why he was treated more as comic relief than a serious member. --- lolAmerica <cite>ClayGuida posted [p:979152625] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>Hulk had an amazing showing in everything he was in up til infinity war.</quote>idk, he was Thor's bitch for Avengers, Iron Man's bitch in Avengers 2, Thor's bitch in Ragnarok, and then Thanos' bitch in Infinity War. He really didn't do anything of note fighting wise in Endgame from what I recall. I still think removing his volatility was the main issue as to why he was treated more as comic relief than a serious member. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 03/02/24 7:54:16 PM #157:	Balls Dropped Taskmaster Shocker Iron Fist Khonsu Fool Killer Hellstorm Sattana Crossbones Batroc Elsa Bloodstone Numbers 1-3 are pretty self-explanatory. Khonshu isnt supposed to be so substantially real. Its supposed to be left up to interpretation of the viewer of whether or not Khonshu is real or just in Marcs head. Fool Killer great villain turned into a stereotypical serial killer. Hellstorm is supposed to be a wise cracking playboy. Dark, Mysterious, Charming but Dangerous. Something akin to MCUs Chris Angel. Sattana is supposed to be somewhat likable. Shes not a straight up villain. Crossbones great actor. Set up well. Killed too early. Batroc you literally have GSP. Put him in some extended fight scenes. WTF?!? Elsa her entire gimmick is red hair. Thats all you needed to do. But her hair is black. WTF? Does hair dye not exist or something? <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:979153447] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Balls DroppedTaskmasterShockerIron FistKhonsuFool KillerHellstormSattanaCrossbonesBatroc Elsa BloodstoneNumbers 1-3 are pretty self-explanatory.Khonshu isnt supposed to be so substantially real. Its supposed to be left up to interpretation of the viewer of whether or not Khonshu is real or just in Marcs head.Fool Killer great villain turned into a stereotypical serial killer.Hellstorm is supposed to be a wise cracking playboy. Dark, Mysterious, Charming but Dangerous. Something akin to MCUs Chris Angel. Sattana is supposed to be somewhat likable. Shes not a straight up villain.Crossbones great actor. Set up well. Killed too early.Batroc you literally have GSP. Put him in some extended fight scenes. WTF?!?Elsa her entire gimmick is red hair. Thats all you needed to do. But her hair is black. WTF? Does hair dye not exist or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rharyx211 03/02/24 7:56:58 PM #158:	STEROLIZER posted... Taskmaster That's a good one. STEROLIZER posted... Elsa her entire gimmick is red hair. Thats all you needed to do. But her hair is black. WTF? Does hair dye not exist or something? Wasn't the movie in black and white? Maybe it was supposed to be red. I don't remember. --- Watch "Final Fantasy XV Abridged" and "Kingdom Hearts Abridged" right here! https://www.youtube.com/user/mcknett3 <cite>Rharyx211 posted [p:979153495] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>Taskmaster</quote>That's a good one.STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>Elsa her entire gimmick is red hair. Thats all you needed to do. But her hair is black. WTF? Does hair dye not exist or something?</quote>Wasn't the movie in black and white? Maybe it was supposed to be red. I don't remember. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 03/02/24 11:02:28 PM #159:	ssb_yunglink2 posted... Peter and Strange are both incredibly intelligent and crafty. Youre telling me that some of the most intelligent superheroes couldnt have a small conversation discussing the ramifications and implications of the spell? And no, Peter is still very much a kid. Hes not Spider-man here fighting a villain with his powers, hes peter trying to maintain his secret identity and protect his friends and family. Which is what spider man does lmao. Hes always protecting people. Hes intelligent, but hes not always wise. Those are different things. He was desperate and he was speaking on a subject he was ill informed on, magic. It was basicslly a misunderstanding that caused it, and thats totally believable. It was a plot convenience that needed to happen for the movies plot,. So is the empire letting the escape pod fall to tattooing despite knowing full well that droids exist. Doesn't make the movie bad. --- This post didn't exist to you until you read it. You willed it into existence in your psyche by choosing to observe it. Thats the power you have. Use it well. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:979156173] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>Peter and Strange are both incredibly intelligent and crafty. Youre telling me that some of the most intelligent superheroes couldnt have a small conversation discussing the ramifications and implications of the spell? And no, Peter is still very much a kid. Hes not Spider-man here fighting a villain with his powers, hes peter trying to maintain his secret identity and protect his friends and family. </quote>Which is what spider man does lmao. Hes always protecting people.Hes intelligent, but hes not always wise. Those are different things. He was desperate and he was speaking on a subject he was ill informed on, magic. It was basicslly a misunderstanding that caused it, and thats totally believable.<quote>It was a plot convenience that needed to happen for the movies plot,.</quote>So is the empire letting the escape pod fall to tattooing despite knowing full well that droids exist. Doesn't make the movie bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 03/02/24 11:05:21 PM #160:	ClayGuida posted... idk, he was Thor's bitch for Avengers, Iron Man's bitch in Avengers 2, Thor's bitch in Ragnarok, and then Thanos' bitch in Infinity War. He really didn't do anything of note fighting wise in Endgame from what I recall. Thor didn't beat him in either film, he subdued him for a time, but thats it. The entire avengers team is scared of him, iron man beat him while he was brainwashed and dazed. Like what do you think he should have killed iron man in the middle of avengers 2? --- This post didn't exist to you until you read it. You willed it into existence in your psyche by choosing to observe it. Thats the power you have. Use it well. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:979156219] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>ClayGuida posted... </cite><quote>idk, he was Thor's bitch for Avengers, Iron Man's bitch in Avengers 2, Thor's bitch in Ragnarok, and then Thanos' bitch in Infinity War. He really didn't do anything of note fighting wise in Endgame from what I recall. </quote>Thor didn't beat him in either film, he subdued him for a time, but thats it. The entire avengers team is scared of him, iron man beat him while he was brainwashed and dazed. Like what do you think he should have killed iron man in the middle of avengers 2? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 03/02/24 11:07:11 PM #161:	STEROLIZER posted... Elsa her entire gimmick is red hair. Thats all you needed to do. But her hair is black. WTF? Does hair dye not exist or something? No, her gimmick is that she kills monsters , hunts vampires, and is a badass. Her red hair is literally not important to any of those things. This is the type of complaint I rope in with fortune cookies grievances, nd you'd be surprised how many mcu watchers have stuff like this. Its like saying Willim Dafoe is a bad goblin because he doesn't have cornrows. --- This post didn't exist to you until you read it. You willed it into existence in your psyche by choosing to observe it. Thats the power you have. Use it well. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:979156252] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite><quote>Elsa her entire gimmick is red hair. Thats all you needed to do. But her hair is black. WTF? Does hair dye not exist or something?</quote>No, her gimmick is that she kills monsters , hunts vampires, and is a badass. Her red hair is literally not important to any of those things.This is the type of complaint I rope in with fortune cookies grievances, nd you'd be surprised how many mcu watchers have stuff like this. Its like saying Willim Dafoe is a bad goblin because he doesn't have cornrows. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 03/02/24 11:09:54 PM #162:	Toonstrack posted... Except the part where this never happened? It actuslly went from "Its def canon" To "its def canon?" To "its def canon lol" They eventually canonized it, so you can pretend it was always regarded as canon by them. They definitely disowned it for a while. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:979156289] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>Except the part where this never happened?It actuslly went from"Its def canon"To "its def canon?"To "its def canon lol"</quote>They eventually canonized it, so you can pretend it was always regarded as canon by them. They definitely disowned it for a while.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 03/02/24 11:12:16 PM #163:	FortuneCookie posted... They eventually canonized it, so you can pretend it was always regarded as canon by them. They definitely disowned it for a while. They didn't tho lol. They didn't acknowledge it, but they never decanonized it. Fiege was asked multiple times and danced around the answer because he wasn't sure if everything with the new stuff was finalized and probably due to rights issues. --- This post didn't exist to you until you read it. You willed it into existence in your psyche by choosing to observe it. Thats the power you have. Use it well. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:979156330] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite><quote>They eventually canonized it, so you can pretend it was always regarded as canon by them. They definitely disowned it for a while.</quote>They didn't tho lol.They didn't acknowledge it, but they never decanonized it. Fiege was asked multiple times and danced around the answer because he wasn't sure if everything with the new stuff was finalized and probably due to rights issues. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 03/02/24 11:15:37 PM #164:	Toonstrack posted... They didn't tho lol. They didn't acknowledge it, but they never decanonized it. Fiege was asked multiple times and danced around the answer because he wasn't sure if everything with the new stuff was finalized and probably due to rights issues. Failure to confirm it means it's not canon. (At least not until it's convenient to canonize it.) If it's canon, you answer Yes. Full stop. No excuses. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:979156378] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>They didn't tho lol.They didn't acknowledge it, but they never decanonized it. Fiege was asked multiple times and danced around the answer because he wasn't sure if everything with the new stuff was finalized and probably due to rights issues.</quote>Failure to confirm it means it's not canon. (At least not until it's convenient to canonize it.)If it's canon, you answer Yes. Full stop. No excuses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 03/02/24 11:18:24 PM #165:	FortuneCookie posted... Failure to confirm it means it's not canon. Lol no. Not for fiege. Hes been very clear about canonicity when he wants to. Remember when Sony tried to say venom 1 was mcu canon? He shut that down immediately. For the rest of things the only things he was clear about was that the stuff WAS canon, as he stated many times while they were airing. He never changed his answer. --- This post didn't exist to you until you read it. You willed it into existence in your psyche by choosing to observe it. Thats the power you have. Use it well. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:979156415] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite><quote>Failure to confirm it means it's not canon.</quote>Lol no. Not for fiege. Hes been very clear about canonicity when he wants to.Remember when Sony tried to say venom 1 was mcu canon? He shut that down immediately. For the rest of things the only things he was clear about was that the stuff WAS canon, as he stated many times while they were airing. He never changed his answer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 03/02/24 11:23:20 PM #166:	Toonstrack posted... For the rest of things the only things he was clear about was that the stuff WAS canon, as he stated many times while they were airing. He never changed his answer. Did he state that it was canon during the period that Disney was trying to separate itself from the Netflix shows? <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:979156480] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>For the rest of things the only things he was clear about was that the stuff WAS canon, as he stated many times while they were airing. He never changed his answer.</quote>Did he state that it was canon during the period that Disney was trying to separate itself from the Netflix shows?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toonstrack 03/02/24 11:32:20 PM #167:	FortuneCookie posted... Did he state that it was canon during the period that Disney was trying to separate itself from the Netflix shows? Disney never attempted to do this. The shows got canceled because the contracts weren't renewed because fiege moved Ike perlmutter out of the room. They just ended with little fanfare, Disney nor anyone else came out and said "don't watch these they don't matter". As soon as legally possible they put all the stuff back on streaming on their own platform D plus, this was before NWH even came out. How in any way were they distancing themselves? If you consider that Hawkeye probably started development in 2019, thats a mere like 2.5 years between the final Netflix season airing and then making plans to reintroduce Netflix characters. --- This post didn't exist to you until you read it. You willed it into existence in your psyche by choosing to observe it. Thats the power you have. Use it well. <cite>Toonstrack posted [p:979156596] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>FortuneCookie posted... </cite><quote>Did he state that it was canon during the period that Disney was trying to separate itself from the Netflix shows?</quote>Disney never attempted to do this. The shows got canceled because the contracts weren't renewed because fiege moved Ike perlmutter out of the room. They just ended with little fanfare, Disney nor anyone else came out and said "don't watch these they don't matter".As soon as legally possible they put all the stuff back on streaming on their own platform D plus, this was before NWH even came out. How in any way were they distancing themselves?If you consider that Hawkeye probably started development in 2019, thats a mere like 2.5 years between the final Netflix season airing and then making plans to reintroduce Netflix characters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 03/02/24 11:49:06 PM #168:	The Hulk, hes been nothing but mistreated since age of ultron. By infinity war after the beat down and ptsd he got from Thanos I was fully expecting him to bounce back, rematch him and go world breaking. Proving he really is the strongest there is. But that didnt happen, at all. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:979156769] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>The Hulk, hes been nothing but mistreated since age of ultron.By infinity war after the beat down and ptsd he got from Thanos I was fully expecting him to bounce back, rematch him and go world breaking. Proving he really is the strongest there is.But that didnt happen, at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 03/02/24 11:50:46 PM #169:	Toonstrack posted... Disney never attempted to do this. The shows got canceled because the contracts weren't renewed because fiege moved Ike perlmutter out of the room. They just ended with little fanfare, Disney nor anyone else came out and said "don't watch these they don't matter". As soon as legally possible they put all the stuff back on streaming on their own platform D plus, this was before NWH even came out. How in any way were they distancing themselves? If you consider that Hawkeye probably started development in 2019, thats a mere like 2.5 years between the final Netflix season airing and then making plans to reintroduce Netflix characters. It might have been for legal reasons, but that's a dark period where they were not being touted as canon. It's water under the bridge now, but it isn't as if they were claiming them while they were in limbo. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:979156786] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Toonstrack posted... </cite><quote>Disney never attempted to do this. The shows got canceled because the contracts weren't renewed because fiege moved Ike perlmutter out of the room. They just ended with little fanfare, Disney nor anyone else came out and said "don't watch these they don't matter".As soon as legally possible they put all the stuff back on streaming on their own platform D plus, this was before NWH even came out. How in any way were they distancing themselves?If you consider that Hawkeye probably started development in 2019, thats a mere like 2.5 years between the final Netflix season airing and then making plans to reintroduce Netflix characters.</quote>It might have been for legal reasons, but that's a dark period where they were not being touted as canon. It's water under the bridge now, but it isn't as if they were claiming them while they were in limbo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancing_cactuar 03/03/24 4:05:21 AM #170:	Rharyx211 posted... Wasn't the movie in black and white? Maybe it was supposed to be red. I don't remember. Despite the fact that it was in black and white being a big thing behind it, Disney, in all their wisdom, decided to release a color version of Werewolf by Night last year. --- Believing that Disney movies are for families is akin to buying into Nazi propaganda- LoyalToTheGame PS5s have liquid metal tech like the T-1000- AceCombatX <cite>dancing_cactuar posted [p:979159180] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>Rharyx211 posted... </cite><quote>Wasn't the movie in black and white? Maybe it was supposed to be red. I don't remember.</quote>Despite the fact that it was in black and white being a big thing behind it, Disney, in all their wisdom, decided to release a color version of Werewolf by Night last year. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 03/03/24 10:45:45 AM #171:	When Ariel and April O'Neil became Black, the whole "redhead erasure" thing was just a meme from addled racists. But I'm honestly starting to wonder if there is some reason that Hollywood doesn't want redheads anymore. Having a Black or Asian actor play a character who has commonly been depicted as a redhead means adding racial diversity. Changing a White woman with red hair to a White woman with black hair just means no more red hair. You're not adding anything. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:979162228] in Which hero... [t:80710377]...</cite> <quote>When Ariel and April O'Neil became Black, the whole "redhead erasure" thing was just a meme from addled racists.But I'm honestly starting to wonder if there is some reason that Hollywood doesn't want redheads anymore. Having a Black or Asian actor play a character who has commonly been depicted as a redhead means adding racial diversity. Changing a White woman with red hair to a White woman with black hair just means no more red hair. You're not adding anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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