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UnfairRepresent
03/01/24 8:54:45 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFahLMLHke4

North Carolina State Senior Owen Lloyd posted the fastest time in the men's 1650 yard Freestyle, earning him the ACC Title, an automatic entry to the National Championships, and a new best time. Moments later, an announcement was made that Lloyd had been disqualified for "interference with another swimmer."

The rule(s) at play from the NCAA rulebook: - Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1a: "Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee..." - Rule 2, Section 5, Article 1b: "A swimmer who changes lanes during a heat shall be disqualified."

In his celebration he accidently fell into another swimmers lane. Both swimmers had already finished so it did not affect the result in any form but the race was still technically going on.

So technically he "changed lanes during a heat"

Owen and his fans are pissed.

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Ratchetrockon
03/01/24 8:55:16 AM
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Super lame punishment



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Bass
03/01/24 8:57:57 AM
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The bet the fuck head that issued this punishment is so proud of himself.

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PMarth2002
03/01/24 9:00:29 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
In his celebration he accidently fell into another swimmers lane. Both swimmers had already finished so it did not affect the result in any form but the race was still technically going on.

If that's true, its a BS ruling. If the other swimmer was still swimming, then I'd agree with it.

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UnfairRepresent
03/01/24 9:01:21 AM
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PMarth2002 posted...


If that's true, its a BS ruling. If the other swimmer was still swimming, then I'd agree with it.
You can see in the video they both had finished

The other swimmer just said it was complete BS when interviewed

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Unsuprised_Pika
03/01/24 9:01:55 AM
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This is like charging a surgeon with assault for making a standard incision during a surgery.

On the most base technicality it makes sense but only if you are going out of your way to be an obtuse **** waffle who hates everyone and everything and torture the words to the breaking point after erasing the very concept of context fron your mind.

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Compsognathus
03/01/24 9:03:04 AM
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The NCAA is an embarrassing organization.

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Killmonger
03/01/24 9:04:26 AM
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Absolutely silly.

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Demyx
03/01/24 9:08:58 AM
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That's bullshit. He deserves his win. Can the ruling be changed?

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ai123
03/01/24 9:11:03 AM
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How much discretion do the judges have?

Is there any precedent for this?

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Mew
03/01/24 9:15:29 AM
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Person who made that call must be miserable af

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ai123
03/01/24 9:17:09 AM
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Mew posted...
Person who made that call must be miserable af
That's why I'm asking if they had any choice.

No point in them ignoring the rule, only for it to get overturned by the governing body.

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voldothegr8
03/01/24 9:21:02 AM
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Whoever made that call needs to be investigated for gambling.

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Raikuro
03/01/24 9:27:13 AM
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Situations like this should be an opportunity to amend and clarify a rule, than needless punishment.
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sabin017
03/01/24 9:37:51 AM
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I think the lead swimmer's wake and water disturbances cause interference to other swimmers so therefore the winner should always be disqualified.

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PurpleOutsider
03/01/24 9:40:03 AM
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Was he singing Shipoopi?

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03/01/24 12:02:47 PM
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UnfairRepresent
03/01/24 1:30:55 PM
#18:


sabin017 posted...
I think the lead swimmer's wake and water disturbances cause interference to other swimmers so therefore the winner should always be disqualified.
I mean in theory yes that could have happened, but it didn't and was not intentional

This is a letter vs spirit of the law dispute

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DipDipDiver
03/01/24 1:36:04 PM
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I saw the video and the race was very clearly over. The swimmer whose lane he went into was already finished and congratulated him. This seems like a situation where the intent of the rule is being completely disregarded

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gamer167
03/01/24 1:42:00 PM
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The NCAA is a shit organization across the board and has been for a while
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LinkPizza
03/01/24 1:44:08 PM
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Its a dumb rule. The teammate was finished, and finished second. He didnt really interfere with anyone They need to change the ruling But people are stubborn sometimes, so they may not want to change it

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UnfairRepresent
03/02/24 5:25:34 PM
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Looks like most of CE agrees

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The_Korey
03/02/24 5:36:49 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
he accidently fell into another swimmers lane.

So he wasn't disqualified for celebrating. Fuck off with these misleading klickbait titles.

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Brianfellow
03/02/24 5:37:56 PM
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Fucking CE. Dude literally broke a rule and yall are mad. It's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless. Fair next
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Zikten
03/02/24 5:55:54 PM
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Brianfellow posted...
Fucking CE. Dude literally broke a rule and yall are mad. It's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless. Fair next
Sometimes rules are wrong. I happen to believe that if no harm happens, things shouldn't be banned. We should only ban and punish for harmful things
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Unknown5uspect
03/02/24 6:00:10 PM
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Brianfellow posted...
Fucking CE. Dude literally broke a rule and yall are mad. It's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless. Fair next
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Brianfellow
03/02/24 6:00:46 PM
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And until that time comes, fair next.
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Vyrulisse
03/02/24 6:02:16 PM
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Why is there always this obsession with eliminating emotion from sports?

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hockeybabe89
03/02/24 6:02:52 PM
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Brianfellow posted...
Fucking CE. Dude literally broke a rule and yall are mad. It's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless. Fair next
Weird. I don't believe anyone was disputing that the stupid, bullshit rule exists. The proper response from the NCAA would have been to use their brains and not enforce it.

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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC
03/02/24 6:04:05 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Weird. I don't believe anyone was disputing that the stupid, bullshit rule exists. The proper response from the NCAA would have been to use their brains and not enforce it.
The NCAA honor the spirit of the rule and not the letter? Hahahaha

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Brianfellow
03/02/24 6:04:25 PM
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hockeybabe89 posted...
Weird. I don't believe anyone was disputing that the stupid, bullshit rule exists. The proper response from the NCAA would have been to use their brains and not enforce it.
That's perfect, let's start a trend of not enforcing rules.

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The_Korey
03/02/24 6:10:34 PM
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Brianfellow posted...
That's perfect, let's start a trend of not enforcing rules.

Please don't act like every rule is on the line if somthing like this is let slide.

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LeoRavus
03/02/24 6:11:13 PM
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Ok, those two may have been done but others were still racing. So the race was on and the rule is no crossing lanes.

Fair, next.

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lilORANG
03/02/24 6:14:18 PM
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Nobody cares about swimming unless the athlete is transgender. Let's not pretend this matters.

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Vyrulisse
03/02/24 6:16:06 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Nobody cares about swimming unless the athlete is transgender. Let's not pretend this matters.
Athletes being punished for celebrations is something that permeates all sports and it's ridiculous.

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Paragon21XX
03/02/24 6:20:01 PM
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Brianfellow posted...
Fucking CE. Dude literally broke a rule and yall are mad. It's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless. Fair next

*dismissive wanking gesture*

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StealThisSheen
03/02/24 6:23:37 PM
#38:


The_Korey posted...
So he wasn't disqualified for celebrating. Fuck off with these misleading klickbait titles.

He fell into the lane while celebrating, after the race was over.

How does it feel to be this dumb?

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StealThisSheen
03/02/24 6:25:28 PM
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LeoRavus posted...
Ok, those two may have been done but others were still racing. So the race was on and the rule is no crossing lanes.

Fair, next.

Actually, by the time he fell in the other lane, everybody had, indeed, finished. But the race technically isn't "over" even when everybody has finished. Thus, he was punished on a technicality.

EDIT: Actually, no, I guess technically one swimmer hadn't touched the final wall yet. They apparently touched it very shortly after.

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StealThisSheen
03/02/24 6:32:16 PM
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Looking into it further, the rule he broke is actually flimsy.

ARTICLE 1. a. Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee.

The reason there's uproar about it is the "Subject to discretion" part. He, objectively, did not interfere with another swimmer. It doesn't say anything about crossing lanes, it specifically says "interfere with another swimmer." The referee chose to disqualify him based on their "discretion" of an extremely flimsy rule.

It remains unclear exactly how officials feel that Lloyd broke the rules. The folks at Swim Swam, a popular swimming blog, pulled up the ACC rules on the decision and its a little unclear how Lloyd actually violated the rules.
ARTICLE 1. a. Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee.
The issue is that Lloyd didnt interfere with another swimmer, because Dant had already finished as well. He also didnt jump into the lane of another team, as the two are both teammates on the NC State swim team. There is nothing in the rules that addresses moving into the lane of an opponent who has finished competing, but while other swimmers were completing the race.

Basically, the ruling is highly suspect.

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ZEROWOLF
03/02/24 6:34:34 PM
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Why didn't he just follow the rules. Why didn't he just comply.

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Demyx
03/02/24 6:36:11 PM
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ZEROWOLF posted...
Why didn't he just follow the rules. Why didn't he just comply.

This is how villains are made.

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StealThisSheen
03/02/24 6:37:49 PM
#43:


This reminds me of that ruling a few years ago where a female high school swimmer was disqualified because her swimsuit was "too revealing," and it turned out she wore the regular state approved swimsuit, and she just happened to have more ba-donk than your average high school girl.

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LinkPizza
03/02/24 6:39:13 PM
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Brianfellow posted...
Fucking CE. Dude literally broke a rule and yall are mad. It's a stupid rule, but a rule nonetheless. Fair next

I think it depends on what the rule is for. The way its worded makes sense if his interference actually interfered with another swimmer. That swimmer was already done, however (Most were by the time he finished). And finished second place, no less. So, the rule doesnt even make sense in this context since he didnt actually interfere with any other swimmers, which is what the rule it used for

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StealThisSheen
03/02/24 6:39:56 PM
#45:


LinkPizza posted...
I think it depends on what the rule is for. The way its worded makes sense if his interference actually interfered with another swimmer. That swimmer was already done, however. And finished second place, no less. So, the rule doesnt even make sense in this context since he didnt actually interfere with any other swimmers, which is what the rule it used for

And on top of that, second place was his literal teammate. He was celebrating with his own teammate.

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Brianfellow
03/02/24 6:43:08 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
And on top of that, second place was his literal teammate. He was celebrating with his own teammate.
But when you start breaking these rules into the context then you have the same situation you have here with "discretion". Where everyone interprets the rules how they see fit.
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StealThisSheen
03/02/24 6:44:24 PM
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Brianfellow posted...
But when you start breaking these rules into the context then you have the same situation you have here with "discretion". Where everyone interprets the rules how they see fit.

The entire point of the rule is that it is up to referee interpretation, which is the entire problem, so...

There is literally no rule against crossing lanes of a swimmer who has finished. The rule, in writing, is ONLY:

ARTICLE 1. a. Any competitor who interferes with another swimmer during a race shall be disqualified from that race, subject to the discretion of the referee.

He, objectively, did not interfere with another swimmer. The entire controversy is that the referee decided to apply the rule per their discretion, and nobody can understand why.

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Brianfellow
03/02/24 6:45:47 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
The entire point of the rule is that it is up to referee interpretation, which is the entire problem, so...

There is literally no rule against crossing lanes of a swimmer who has finished. The rule, in writing, is ONLY:
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The_Korey
03/02/24 6:46:12 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
He fell into the lane while celebrating, after the race was over.

How does it feel to be this dumb?

Uh huh. That's getting arrested for shoplifting ingredients and framing it as "They arrested me for baking a pie." He was not disqualified "for celebrating".

Why do the most half-assed attempts at komprehension always feel the need to imply someone else is dumb?


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LinkPizza
03/02/24 6:53:23 PM
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Brianfellow posted...
And by rule he crossed into another players lane which is technically interference.

But who did it interfere with? Because that swimmer was already done? So it wasnt interfering with him

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