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wackyteen
02/22/24 6:18:04 PM
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https://apnews.com/article/paramilitary-training-maine-ban-2091e99e93e0006ffc46776cdbc84267


Maine would become the 27th state to ban paramilitary training, under a bill the House narrowly passed Wednesday.
The proposal, designed to block groups hoping to create civil unrest, passed 66-60. It was sponsored by Democratic Rep. Laurie Osher of Orono.
The measure comes in the wake of a rise in public demonstrations by white nationalist groups in the state. Supporters, including Osher, have said it would prevent groups from organizing for the purpose of terrorizing marginalized groups.
Republicans in the state and some gun rights advocates have spoken out against the proposal. Some argued during a public hearing that it violates the 2nd Amendment and would prevent groups from learning self-defense.
The proposal still needs the backing of the Maine Senate. If it passes, Maine would become the 27th state to have such a measure, according to Jacob Glick, policy counsel with the Georgetown Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection.

1st Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

One could argue that it curbs or ices the freedom of speech of private individuals amongst themselves if they cannot have their paramilitary group. As well as curbing their right to peaceably assemble, regardless of (potential future) intent.

Additionally, non-State/non-Government run militias are inherently paramilitary. You could argue that this infringes on the right of the citizenry to run their own (well-regulated) militia.

These are not reflective of my actual opinions, but i can see how and why someone would think them.

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Starks
02/22/24 6:25:13 PM
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State guards are protected. Private militias? Maybe not.

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Agonized_rufous
02/22/24 6:26:06 PM
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What's Maine afraid of? Just paramilitary harder than them

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bfslick50
02/22/24 6:29:04 PM
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If theyre the 27th state to do it then you cant call it setting a precedent.


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008Zulu
02/22/24 6:31:02 PM
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How is shooting guns "peaceably to assemble"?

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wackyteen
02/22/24 6:34:24 PM
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008Zulu posted...
How is shooting guns "peaceably to assemble"?
To be fair, you can do many other things than shoot guns at one of these assemblies that would not violate a reasonable definition of "peaceably"

I'm in the actual active duty military and I shoot weapons only a few times a year, if that. While it is a reasonable presumption that these groups get together to shoot guns more often than not, should that possibility allow the government to step in and stop these groups from assembling, especially if they have no weapons present?

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ClayGuida
02/22/24 6:37:09 PM
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How did the courts respond to the 26 other states?

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modena
02/22/24 6:38:17 PM
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wackyteen posted...
To be fair, you can do many other things than shoot guns at one of these assemblies that would not violate a reasonable definition of "peaceably"
I knew a group of vets that would just do ruck marches, land navigation and survival training. Ofcourse they did build a shooting range for weapon sighting/training too but that was just for fun.

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Tenlaar
02/22/24 6:39:21 PM
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It doesn't seem like this should be necessary because a group of people getting together to prepare for violent political action should be considered a conspiracy to commit terrorism. I think there is a reasonable concern about this being overzealously applied against people just preparing for something they believe is going to happen rather than with an intention to make it happen.
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mustachedmystic
02/22/24 6:48:19 PM
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If it indeed violates the second amendment why havent they used that to get the laws that make it illegal in the other 26 states repealed?

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Serious_Cat
02/22/24 6:49:05 PM
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The Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to a private militia and the Constitution places the regulation of militias under state governments.

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Starks
02/22/24 6:52:27 PM
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If I want to join the New York State Guard or Naval Militia, I'm not allowed to YOLO it. I'd be part of a well-regulated militia in terms of organization and actual regulation. It satisfies the originalist and textualist interpretations.

But some random group of militia types in Idaho get the same protections while terrorizing society? That doesn't sound right. Yet at the same time, individual gun rights and collective gun rights don't seem separable.

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