Current Events > Goblet of Fire never made much sense to me (spoilers)

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HylianFox 02/14/24 4:20:07 PM #1:	Namely, that the entire tournament was just an elaborate scheme to get Harry teleported to the graveyard where Voldy can be revived. Like, surely there was a far easier, far simpler and FAR less publicized way to get this done? Making it so that the underage Harry is chosen as a 4th champion (when there's only supposed to be three to begin with), and then rigging it in the vague hopes that Harry will win (fun fact: he almost didn't, by all rights Cedric really should have won). Plus the reveal at the end that the guy we thought was Moody was an imposter all along, a character we were barely introduced to via flashback. I mean come on. The whole thing is just needlessly convoluted. --- THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK Do not write in this space. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:978844247] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Namely, that the entire tournament was just an elaborate scheme to get Harry teleported to the graveyard where Voldy can be revived.Like, surely there was a far easier, far simpler and FAR less publicized way to get this done?Making it so that the underage Harry is chosen as a 4th champion (when there's only supposed to be three to begin with), and then rigging it in the vague hopes that Harry will win (fun fact: he almost didn't, by all rights Cedric really should have won). Plus the reveal at the end that the guy we thought was Moody was an imposter all along, a character we were barely introduced to via flashback. I mean come on. The whole thing is just needlessly convoluted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BroodRyu 02/14/24 4:20:57 PM #2:	DID u PUT UR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE HYLIANFOX?!? <cite>BroodRyu posted [p:978844266] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>DID u PUT UR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE HYLIANFOX?!?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 02/14/24 4:21:41 PM #3:	The tournament itself is just bad. Like... it's the first time in the series that other schools are even acknowledged. And Beaxbatons Academy of Magic is boys and girls in the book. --- Official Reiko of the MK1 Board.Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:978844284] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>The tournament itself is just bad.Like... it's the first time in the series that other schools are even acknowledged. And Beaxbatons Academy of Magic is boys and girls in the book. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 02/14/24 4:22:06 PM #4:	I mean I think the big problem with the plan was more or less the fact Cedric was there too, if you didnt have him die its quite possible things could have ended differently. But really it was all the plan really ended up being is Voldemorts return which it succeeded --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:978844289] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>I mean I think the big problem with the plan was more or less the fact Cedric was there too, if you didnt have him die its quite possible things could have ended differently. But really it was all the plan really ended up being is Voldemorts return which it succeeded </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 02/14/24 4:24:07 PM #5:	BroodRyu posted... DID u PUT UR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE HYLIANFOX?!? --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:978844340] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>BroodRyu posted... </cite><quote>DID u PUT UR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE HYLIANFOX?!?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C-zom 02/14/24 4:25:22 PM #6:	It's regarded as the worst book, and movie, for a reason. The whole thing is a convoluted mess. Before she started canonizing teleporting your poop, JK had offhandedly said the return of Voldemort was supposed to be grim ala Necromancy but didn't want to get "too" dark. Something she walked back in the last two books... a bit. --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. http://i.imgur.com/OhZgm.jpg <cite>C-zom posted [p:978844363] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>It's regarded as the worst book, and movie, for a reason. The whole thing is a convoluted mess. Before she started canonizing teleporting your poop, JK had offhandedly said the return of Voldemort was supposed to be grim ala Necromancy but didn't want to get "too" dark. Something she walked back in the last two books... a bit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flaming_Fire619 02/14/24 4:25:41 PM #7:	It's not a terrible plan in theory, Harry is probably the most guarded individual in the Wizarding World when he's at Hogwarts and Voldemort didn't have enough power to influence anything and definitely couldn't just up and kidnap him from the Dursley's. Harry being the first to touch the Triwizard Cup and being away from anyone that might be able to protect him was smart. Really the only thing that went wrong is V didn't know Harry had the hax wand that matched Voldemort which meant he could fight back and not die immediately. --- Not changing until Shelton Benjamin wins the WHC Started: Jan. 10. 2009 http://myanimelist.net/profile/fantheflames <cite>Flaming_Fire619 posted [p:978844368] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>It's not a terrible plan in theory, Harry is probably the most guarded individual in the Wizarding World when he's at Hogwarts and Voldemort didn't have enough power to influence anything and definitely couldn't just up and kidnap him from the Dursley's.Harry being the first to touch the Triwizard Cup and being away from anyone that might be able to protect him was smart. Really the only thing that went wrong is V didn't know Harry had the hax wand that matched Voldemort which meant he could fight back and not die immediately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 02/14/24 4:26:34 PM #8:	It was all done in service to being the shocking turning point of the series. I don't think it was particularly masterful writing either, but it had to be something that jerked Harry + a likeable sacrificial lamb (and by extension the reader) out of the relative comfort of wizard-school shenanigans and into shit-just-got-real-ville; the end result was bound to be convoluted. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:978844389] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>It was all done in service to being the shocking turning point of the series. I don't think it was particularly masterful writing either, but it had to be something that jerked Harry + a likeable sacrificial lamb (and by extension the reader) out of the relative comfort of wizard-school shenanigans and into shit-just-got-real-ville; the end result was bound to be convoluted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 02/14/24 4:27:23 PM #9:	couldn't the Moody impersinator just go like "hey, Harry. hold this real quick" and hand him the thing --- Kremlin delenda est <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:978844414] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>couldn't the Moody impersinator just go like "hey, Harry. hold this real quick" and hand him the thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 02/14/24 4:29:06 PM #10:	ROBANN_88 posted... couldn't the Moody impersinator just go like "hey, Harry. hold this real quick" and hand him the thing No because given the last part of the tournament you could argue that Harry might have been weakened or injured and thus the plan would be much better to get him into a state where he couldnt fight back. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:978844453] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>ROBANN_88 posted... </cite><quote>couldn't the Moody impersinator just go like "hey, Harry. hold this real quick" and hand him the thing</quote>No because given the last part of the tournament you could argue that Harry might have been weakened or injured and thus the plan would be much better to get him into a state where he couldnt fight back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 02/14/24 4:35:36 PM #11:	The only reason I can find is that Voldy wanted to use Harry to resurrect him, but he also wanted to remain hidden, so he needed a way to have Harry die in a somewhat normal way to not raise suspicion, and people die in the tri-wizard tournament all the time. Also I don't think it is officially stated, but I figure the Hogwarts enchantments forbid any portkeys in/out of Hogwarts unless the Headmaster makes them? Barty Crouch Jr. just changed the destination of the pre-made Tri-wizard cup portkey --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:978844562] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>The only reason I can find is that Voldy wanted to use Harry to resurrect him, but he also wanted to remain hidden, so he needed a way to have Harry die in a somewhat normal way to not raise suspicion, and people die in the tri-wizard tournament all the time.Also I don't think it is officially stated, but I figure the Hogwarts enchantments forbid any portkeys in/out of Hogwarts unless the Headmaster makes them? Barty Crouch Jr. just changed the destination of the pre-made Tri-wizard cup portkey </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkninja42 02/14/24 4:37:26 PM #12:	C-zom posted... It's regarded as the worst book, and movie, for a reason. The whole thing is a convoluted mess. Before she started canonizing teleporting your poop, JK had offhandedly said the return of Voldemort was supposed to be grim ala Necromancy but didn't want to get "too" dark. Something she walked back in the last two books... a bit. Isn't Half-Blood Prince generally considered the worst in both? I know most people I've talked to about it hate the movie at least, myself included --- I'm far from high end, I just know what suits me. <cite>Darkninja42 posted [p:978844596] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>C-zom posted... </cite><quote>It's regarded as the worst book, and movie, for a reason. The whole thing is a convoluted mess. Before she started canonizing teleporting your poop, JK had offhandedly said the return of Voldemort was supposed to be grim ala Necromancy but didn't want to get "too" dark. Something she walked back in the last two books... a bit.</quote>Isn't Half-Blood Prince generally considered the worst in both? I know most people I've talked to about it hate the movie at least, myself included </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 02/14/24 4:37:28 PM #13:	AngelsNAirwav3s posted... The only reason I can find is that Voldy wanted to use Harry to resurrect him, but he also wanted to remain hidden, so he needed a way to have Harry die in a somewhat normal way to not raise suspicion, and people die in the tri-wizard tournament all the time. Also I don't think it is officially stated, but I figure the Hogwarts enchantments forbid any portkeys in/out of Hogwarts unless the Headmaster makes them? Barty Crouch Jr. just changed the destination of the pre-made Tri-wizard cup portkey Thought the enchantment was more using the teleporting spell? (Fuck I dont remember what its called now) Fuck! apparate! Thats it I thought it was more you cant apparate within the school grounds. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:978844597] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted... </cite><quote>The only reason I can find is that Voldy wanted to use Harry to resurrect him, but he also wanted to remain hidden, so he needed a way to have Harry die in a somewhat normal way to not raise suspicion, and people die in the tri-wizard tournament all the time.Also I don't think it is officially stated, but I figure the Hogwarts enchantments forbid any portkeys in/out of Hogwarts unless the Headmaster makes them? Barty Crouch Jr. just changed the destination of the pre-made Tri-wizard cup portkey</quote>Thought the enchantment was more using the teleporting spell? (Fuck I dont remember what its called now)Fuck! apparate! Thats it I thought it was more you cant apparate within the school grounds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/14/24 4:39:50 PM #14:	Baha05 posted... No because given the last part of the tournament you could argue that Harry might have been weakened or injured and thus the plan would be much better to get him into a state where he couldnt fight back. I'm pretty sure thirty-some Death Eaters and Actual Lizard Wizard Hitler could take one (1) fifteen year old. If almost everyone in HP aside from Hermione weren't an actual idiot. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:978844626] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Baha05 posted... </cite><quote>No because given the last part of the tournament you could argue that Harry might have been weakened or injured and thus the plan would be much better to get him into a state where he couldnt fight back.</quote>I'm pretty sure thirty-some Death Eaters and Actual Lizard Wizard Hitler could take one (1) fifteen year old.If almost everyone in HP aside from Hermione weren't an actual idiot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkninja42 02/14/24 4:40:21 PM #15:	Baha05 posted... Thought the enchantment was more using the teleporting spell? (Fuck I dont remember what its called now) Fuck! apparate! Thats it I thought it was more you cant apparate within the school grounds. Apparate. And I do feel like it was stated in one of the books that yeah port keys were banned. I think one of the Weasleys mentioned it or something, but I'm probably wrong --- I'm far from high end, I just know what suits me. <cite>Darkninja42 posted [p:978844631] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Baha05 posted... </cite><quote>Thought the enchantment was more using the teleporting spell? (Fuck I dont remember what its called now)Fuck! apparate! Thats it I thought it was more you cant apparate within the school grounds.</quote>Apparate. And I do feel like it was stated in one of the books that yeah port keys were banned. I think one of the Weasleys mentioned it or something, but I'm probably wrong </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Torgo 02/14/24 4:41:16 PM #16:	A goblet of fire? Goblets should be made of metal, or glass... not fire! Well that's the craziest thing I ever did hear! --- Moderated for telling people not to commit illegal acts of assault and murder.09/2/23 Also moderated for not responding to obvious bait. - 10/03/23 <cite>Torgo posted [p:978844653] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>A goblet of fire? Goblets should be made of metal, or glass... not fire! Well that's the craziest thing I ever did hear! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 02/14/24 4:42:34 PM #17:	Darkninja42 posted... Apparate. And I do feel like it was stated in one of the books that yeah port keys were banned. I think one of the Weasleys mentioned it or something, but I'm probably wrong If portkeys were allowed there'd be a lot more fuckery going on. --- Buffalo Bills <cite>theAteam posted [p:978844671] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Darkninja42 posted... </cite><quote>Apparate. And I do feel like it was stated in one of the books that yeah port keys were banned. I think one of the Weasleys mentioned it or something, but I'm probably wrong</quote>If portkeys were allowed there'd be a lot more fuckery going on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 02/14/24 4:48:15 PM #18:	DrizztLink posted... I'm pretty sure thirty-some Death Eaters and Actual Lizard Wizard Hitler could take one (1) fifteen year old. If almost everyone in HP aside from Hermione weren't an actual idiot. I mean for starters the Death Eaters werent there to begin with you really had Wormtail and fetus Voldemort. And given how much trouble Harry has been for like three years at Hogwarts and as a baby you would have to consider this part of the plan to give any advantage will be taken. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:978844775] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite><quote>I'm pretty sure thirty-some Death Eaters and Actual Lizard Wizard Hitler could take one (1) fifteen year old.If almost everyone in HP aside from Hermione weren't an actual idiot.</quote>I mean for starters the Death Eaters werent there to begin with you really had Wormtail and fetus Voldemort. And given how much trouble Harry has been for like three years at Hogwarts and as a baby you would have to consider this part of the plan to give any advantage will be taken. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 02/14/24 4:48:49 PM #19:	BroodRyu posted... DID u PUT UR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE HYLIANFOX?!? Dumbledore said calmly --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7T2OR-O2Vk <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:978844787] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>BroodRyu posted... </cite><quote>DID u PUT UR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE HYLIANFOX?!?</quote>Dumbledore said calmly </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 02/14/24 4:51:34 PM #20:	Baha05 posted... I mean for starters the Death Eaters werent there to begin with you really had Wormtail and fetus Voldemort. And given how much trouble Harry has been for like three years at Hogwarts and as a baby you would have to consider this part of the plan to give any advantage will be taken. Harry came in armed and with a more talented wizard backing him up. Ten seconds later Cedric is Deadric and Harry's wand is gone. I think they'd have been fine. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:978844845] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Baha05 posted... </cite><quote>I mean for starters the Death Eaters werent there to begin with you really had Wormtail and fetus Voldemort. And given how much trouble Harry has been for like three years at Hogwarts and as a baby you would have to consider this part of the plan to give any advantage will be taken.</quote>Harry came in armed and with a more talented wizard backing him up.Ten seconds later Cedric is Deadric and Harry's wand is gone.I think they'd have been fine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 02/14/24 5:02:16 PM #21:	DrizztLink posted... Harry came in armed and with a more talented wizard backing him up. Ten seconds later Cedric is Deadric and Harry's wand is gone. I think they'd have been fine. Again Cedric was likely not ever considered to be part of the plan to begin with and it would have still been Harry versus Wormtail so it was likely designed to catch him off guard and in a potential weakened or injured state which gives them a better shot at the plan. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:978845064] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>DrizztLink posted... </cite><quote>Harry came in armed and with a more talented wizard backing him up.Ten seconds later Cedric is Deadric and Harry's wand is gone.I think they'd have been fine.</quote>Again Cedric was likely not ever considered to be part of the plan to begin with and it would have still been Harry versus Wormtail so it was likely designed to catch him off guard and in a potential weakened or injured state which gives them a better shot at the plan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/14/24 5:05:43 PM #22:	C-zom posted... It's regarded as the worst book, and movie, for a reason. The whole thing is a convoluted mess. Before she started canonizing teleporting your poop, JK had offhandedly said the return of Voldemort was supposed to be grim ala Necromancy but didn't want to get "too" dark. Something she walked back in the last two books... a bit. Its not regarded as the worst book. I thought it was the most popular. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:978845129] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>C-zom posted... </cite><quote>It's regarded as the worst book, and movie, for a reason. The whole thing is a convoluted mess. Before she started canonizing teleporting your poop, JK had offhandedly said the return of Voldemort was supposed to be grim ala Necromancy but didn't want to get "too" dark. Something she walked back in the last two books... a bit.</quote>Its not regarded as the worst book. I thought it was the most popular. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 02/14/24 5:17:39 PM #23:	Darkninja42 posted... Isn't Half-Blood Prince generally considered the worst in both? I know most people I've talked to about it hate the movie at least, myself included Nah. Most people consider Half-Blood Prince a top 3 book, along with Prisoner of Azkaban and Deathly Hallows. For the movies? Goblet of Fire is the one that gets shit upon constantly. But I HATE Order of the Phoenix. It's such a slog to get through, both movie and book. I would also say Half-Blood Prince is the second best movie behind Deathly Hallows Part 2. --- Official Reiko of the MK1 Board.Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:978845363] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Darkninja42 posted... </cite><quote>Isn't Half-Blood Prince generally considered the worst in both? I know most people I've talked to about it hate the movie at least, myself included</quote>Nah. Most people consider Half-Blood Prince a top 3 book, along with Prisoner of Azkaban and Deathly Hallows.For the movies? Goblet of Fire is the one that gets shit upon constantly. But I HATE Order of the Phoenix. It's such a slog to get through, both movie and book.I would also say Half-Blood Prince is the second best movie behind Deathly Hallows Part 2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C-zom 02/14/24 5:42:47 PM #24:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Its not regarded as the worst book. I thought it was the most popular. HBP followed closely by PoA has been the most popular that I've seen, but ymmv with both how massive and divisive the fanbase is. I've, personally, never seen GoF even in the top #5 of any threads or irl discussions. --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. http://i.imgur.com/OhZgm.jpg <cite>C-zom posted [p:978845804] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted... </cite><quote>Its not regarded as the worst book. I thought it was the most popular.</quote>HBP followed closely by PoA has been the most popular that I've seen, but ymmv with both how massive and divisive the fanbase is. I've, personally, never seen GoF even in the top #5 of any threads or irl discussions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 02/14/24 5:46:28 PM #25:	BroodRyu posted... DID u PUT UR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE HYLIANFOX?!? Vyrulisse posted... Dumbledore said calmly --- Not to say that I'm in love with you but who's to say that I'm not? <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:978845871] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>BroodRyu posted... </cite><quote>DID u PUT UR NAME INTO THE GOBLET OF FIRE HYLIANFOX?!?</quote>Vyrulisse posted... </cite><quote>Dumbledore said calmly</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelsNAirwav3s 02/14/24 5:48:11 PM #26:	I feel like for the books especially the series rankings have a massive variety in which ones people like the most. I think Chamber of Secrets is the best book, but a lot of people think its the worst lol. OOTP is probably my least favorite, it is too long and a bit of a slog at places, but lots of people love it. Movies though I think it is pretty much agreed that PoA is the best, Deathly Hallows 1/2 and HBP are near the top. --- Hello world! <cite>AngelsNAirwav3s posted [p:978845909] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>I feel like for the books especially the series rankings have a massive variety in which ones people like the most. I think Chamber of Secrets is the best book, but a lot of people think its the worst lol. OOTP is probably my least favorite, it is too long and a bit of a slog at places, but lots of people love it.Movies though I think it is pretty much agreed that PoA is the best, Deathly Hallows 1/2 and HBP are near the top. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/14/24 5:59:33 PM #27:	Im just interested in how one guy was able to bypass what is likely a ton of magical protections, likely cast by a bunch of the best wizards in the world, on the Goblet. As awesome as Dumbledore was, I wouldnt expect even he would be capable of that. Also, why are there no rules in place to overturn the Goblets choices? Binding magical contract all you want, but these things are defined by people and can be annulled by those same people. The Ministry would at the very least hold some kind of hearing in response to such an unprecedented (and frankly alarming, given who Harry is) event, and should have the judicial power to review or invalidate it. If nothing else, its clear that Barty Crouch Jr is the real badass wizard if he could pull off what he did with no one noticing. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978846132] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Im just interested in how one guy was able to bypass what is likely a ton of magical protections, likely cast by a bunch of the best wizards in the world, on the Goblet. As awesome as Dumbledore was, I wouldnt expect even he would be capable of that.Also, why are there no rules in place to overturn the Goblets choices? Binding magical contract all you want, but these things are defined by people and can be annulled by those same people. The Ministry would at the very least hold some kind of hearing in response to such an unprecedented (and frankly alarming, given who Harry is) event, and should have the judicial power to review or invalidate it.If nothing else, its clear that Barty Crouch Jr is the real badass wizard if he could pull off what he did with no one noticing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
harley2280 02/14/24 6:04:19 PM #28:	Dark_Arbron posted... these things are defined by people and can be annulled by those same people. The people that designed the Goblet are long dead. --- PSN/GT: Harley2280 <cite>harley2280 posted [p:978846214] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>these things are defined by people and can be annulled by those same people.</quote>The people that designed the Goblet are long dead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Just_a_loser 02/14/24 6:11:35 PM #29:	The whole point was to make Harry's death seem like an accident, that he died in the tournament. Voldemort wanted to return in secrecy so that he could keep the element of surprise while he regained strength. The plan failed, since Harry got away and warned Dumbledore, no less. But it made sense to stage an accident, with an inside man. This is explained in the book. Can people not read? --- Your face looks like I need a beer. <cite>Just_a_loser posted [p:978846328] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>The whole point was to make Harry's death seem like an accident, that he died in the tournament.Voldemort wanted to return in secrecy so that he could keep the element of surprise while he regained strength.The plan failed, since Harry got away and warned Dumbledore, no less.But it made sense to stage an accident, with an inside man.This is explained in the book. Can people not read? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spiritlittle 02/14/24 6:32:38 PM #30:	Just_a_loser posted... The whole point was to make Harry's death seem like an accident, that he died in the tournament. Voldemort wanted to return in secrecy so that he could keep the element of surprise while he regained strength. The plan failed, since Harry got away and warned Dumbledore, no less. But it made sense to stage an accident, with an inside man. This is explained in the book. Can people not read? A lot of fans did not read the books. But yeah, the books add a ton to the lore. But J.K. Rowling sure does love her Deus Ex Machinas. --- Official Reiko of the MK1 Board.Trails of Cold Steel is the most underappreciated JRPG series ever. <cite>Spiritlittle posted [p:978846658] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Just_a_loser posted... </cite><quote>The whole point was to make Harry's death seem like an accident, that he died in the tournament.Voldemort wanted to return in secrecy so that he could keep the element of surprise while he regained strength.The plan failed, since Harry got away and warned Dumbledore, no less.But it made sense to stage an accident, with an inside man.This is explained in the book. Can people not read?</quote>A lot of fans did not read the books.But yeah, the books add a ton to the lore. But J.K. Rowling sure does love her Deus Ex Machinas. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 02/14/24 6:45:56 PM #31:	C-zom posted... HBP followed closely by PoA has been the most popular that I've seen, but ymmv with both how massive and divisive the fanbase is. I've, personally, never seen GoF even in the top #5 of any threads or irl discussions. PoA yes. Ive never seen HBP rank high in the polls. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:978846914] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>C-zom posted... </cite><quote>HBP followed closely by PoA has been the most popular that I've seen, but ymmv with both how massive and divisive the fanbase is. I've, personally, never seen GoF even in the top #5 of any threads or irl discussions.</quote>PoA yes. Ive never seen HBP rank high in the polls. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xerun 02/14/24 6:46:39 PM #32:	The plan was to have Harry taken and no one have any idea what happened. Hed just disappear. Allowing Voldemort to operate completely in the shadows. He cannot get to Harry while at the Dursleys nor at Hogwarts. The only possibility was at the Weasleys or the Quidditch Cup. had he got someone to Portkey Harry hed have to avoid the supervision he was under from friends and family. This next part is somewhat headcannon but lines up with whats in the book. the reason for the Portkey as the Triwizard cup was because only Dumbledore can control magical entrance to and from Hogwarts. As part of the preparation for the 3rd Task Moody volunteers to deliver the Cup. Likely he was also given the ability to make it a Portkey since the Cup transports the winner back to the entrance of the maze. Which should not be possible under regular circumstances --- Currently Playing: Mario RPG <cite>Xerun posted [p:978846929] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>The plan was to have Harry taken and no one have any idea what happened. Hed just disappear. Allowing Voldemort to operate completely in the shadows. He cannot get to Harry while at the Dursleys nor at Hogwarts. The only possibility was at the Weasleys or the Quidditch Cup. had he got someone to Portkey Harry hed have to avoid the supervision he was under from friends and family. This next part is somewhat headcannon but lines up with whats in the book. the reason for the Portkey as the Triwizard cup was because only Dumbledore can control magical entrance to and from Hogwarts. As part of the preparation for the 3rd Task Moody volunteers to deliver the Cup. Likely he was also given the ability to make it a Portkey since the Cup transports the winner back to the entrance of the maze. Which should not be possible under regular circumstances </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Just_a_loser 02/14/24 6:50:11 PM #33:	Spiritlittle posted... A lot of fans did not read the books. But yeah, the books add a ton to the lore. But J.K. Rowling sure does love her Deus Ex Machinas. I guess so. To elaborate more. Harry's blood was needed in order for Voldemort to bypass the bloodmagic that had protected Harry as a baby and in his first year. His mom gave her life to protect Harry from Voldemort and meant that Voldemort could never hurt him. So they had to find a way to get Harry's blood so that Voldemort would have that same protection inside him to bypass it. Yes, Voldemort could have returned earlier if he didn't care about that protection. And he could have had the Moody impostor kill Harry at any point throughout the year. But Voldemort had something to prove and forbade any of his followers from killing Harry when he needed to do it himself to prove his strength and triumph over the one who was his downfall. I would strongly urge anyone to actually pick up the books and give them a try. They actually are quite wonderful reads. Things make much more sense when everything isn't jammed into a 2 hour flick and you lose a lot of the lore and context. --- Your face looks like I need a beer. <cite>Just_a_loser posted [p:978846993] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>A lot of fans did not read the books.But yeah, the books add a ton to the lore. But J.K. Rowling sure does love her Deus Ex Machinas.</quote>I guess so.To elaborate more. Harry's blood was needed in order for Voldemort to bypass the bloodmagic that had protected Harry as a baby and in his first year. His mom gave her life to protect Harry from Voldemort and meant that Voldemort could never hurt him.So they had to find a way to get Harry's blood so that Voldemort would have that same protection inside him to bypass it.Yes, Voldemort could have returned earlier if he didn't care about that protection. And he could have had the Moody impostor kill Harry at any point throughout the year. But Voldemort had something to prove and forbade any of his followers from killing Harry when he needed to do it himself to prove his strength and triumph over the one who was his downfall.I would strongly urge anyone to actually pick up the books and give them a try. They actually are quite wonderful reads. Things make much more sense when everything isn't jammed into a 2 hour flick and you lose a lot of the lore and context. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 02/14/24 6:50:12 PM #34:	Also Harry only succeeded at the task because Crouch was helping him at every turn and even interfered in a couple of trials to make things easier. --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:978846994] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Also Harry only succeeded at the task because Crouch was helping him at every turn and even interfered in a couple of trials to make things easier. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C-zom 02/14/24 7:45:30 PM #35:	EndOfDiscOne posted... PoA yes. Ive never seen HBP rank high in the polls. I like your username, that's a cool one. --- Since only from below can one better see the heights. http://i.imgur.com/OhZgm.jpg <cite>C-zom posted [p:978847928] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>EndOfDiscOne posted... </cite><quote>PoA yes. Ive never seen HBP rank high in the polls.</quote>I like your username, that's a cool one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkninja42 02/14/24 7:51:38 PM #36:	Spiritlittle posted... Nah. Most people consider Half-Blood Prince a top 3 book, along with Prisoner of Azkaban and Deathly Hallows. Idk I only read it once back when it came out but I remember thinking that's when the series started getting kind of convoluted and wasn't as tightly paced anymore. The fact that it's the only book where I never felt compelled to reread it is a huge sign for me. --- I'm far from high end, I just know what suits me. <cite>Darkninja42 posted [p:978848002] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Spiritlittle posted... </cite><quote>Nah. Most people consider Half-Blood Prince a top 3 book, along with Prisoner of Azkaban and Deathly Hallows.</quote>Idk I only read it once back when it came out but I remember thinking that's when the series started getting kind of convoluted and wasn't as tightly paced anymore. The fact that it's the only book where I never felt compelled to reread it is a huge sign for me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/14/24 7:53:21 PM #37:	harley2280 posted... The people that designed the Goblet are long dead. So are those who wrote most legislation, yet its still subject to change by the system, which is bigger than any persons lifespan. Unless youre saying the Goblet is like Warhammer 40k technology, in that no one alive today actually knows how it works. But obviously Barty Jr does to some extent, since he can deceive it. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978848024] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>harley2280 posted... </cite><quote>The people that designed the Goblet are long dead.</quote>So are those who wrote most legislation, yet its still subject to change by the system, which is bigger than any persons lifespan.Unless youre saying the Goblet is like Warhammer 40k technology, in that no one alive today actually knows how it works. But obviously Barty Jr does to some extent, since he can deceive it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 02/14/24 8:06:38 PM #38:	Dark_Arbron posted... So are those who wrote most legislation, yet its still subject to change by the system, which is bigger than any persons lifespan. Unless youre saying the Goblet is like Warhammer 40k technology, in that no one alive today actually knows how it works. But obviously Barty Jr does to some extent, since he can deceive it. I mean a reminder though is that they probably less likely to change anything just like our real world governments. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:978848226] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>So are those who wrote most legislation, yet its still subject to change by the system, which is bigger than any persons lifespan.Unless youre saying the Goblet is like Warhammer 40k technology, in that no one alive today actually knows how it works. But obviously Barty Jr does to some extent, since he can deceive it.</quote>I mean a reminder though is that they probably less likely to change anything just like our real world governments. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 02/14/24 8:20:06 PM #39:	Xerun posted... The plan was to have Harry taken and no one have any idea what happened. Hed just disappear. Allowing Voldemort to operate completely in the shadows. He cannot get to Harry while at the Dursleys nor at Hogwarts. The only possibility was at the Weasleys or the Quidditch Cup. had he got someone to Portkey Harry hed have to avoid the supervision he was under from friends and family. This next part is somewhat headcannon but lines up with whats in the book. the reason for the Portkey as the Triwizard cup was because only Dumbledore can control magical entrance to and from Hogwarts. As part of the preparation for the 3rd Task Moody volunteers to deliver the Cup. Likely he was also given the ability to make it a Portkey since the Cup transports the winner back to the entrance of the maze. Which should not be possible under regular circumstances Remind me again why Voldermort couldn't get to Harry while he was at the Dursley's? (Only saw the first five movies and haven't read the books :/) <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:978848446] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Xerun posted... </cite><quote>The plan was to have Harry taken and no one have any idea what happened. Hed just disappear. Allowing Voldemort to operate completely in the shadows. He cannot get to Harry while at the Dursleys nor at Hogwarts. The only possibility was at the Weasleys or the Quidditch Cup. had he got someone to Portkey Harry hed have to avoid the supervision he was under from friends and family. This next part is somewhat headcannon but lines up with whats in the book. the reason for the Portkey as the Triwizard cup was because only Dumbledore can control magical entrance to and from Hogwarts. As part of the preparation for the 3rd Task Moody volunteers to deliver the Cup. Likely he was also given the ability to make it a Portkey since the Cup transports the winner back to the entrance of the maze. Which should not be possible under regular circumstances</quote>Remind me again why Voldermort couldn't get to Harry while he was at the Dursley's?(Only saw the first five movies and haven't read the books :/) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ar0ge 02/14/24 8:20:58 PM #40:	The book is better. <cite>Ar0ge posted [p:978848460] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>The book is better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 02/14/24 8:21:13 PM #41:	Ruvan22 posted... Remind me again why Voldermort couldn't get to Harry while he was at the Dursley's? (Only saw the first five movies and haven't read the books :/) Protection wards I believe and they only went away when he became 17-18 --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:978848464] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite><quote>Remind me again why Voldermort couldn't get to Harry while he was at the Dursley's?(Only saw the first five movies and haven't read the books :/)</quote>Protection wards I believe and they only went away when he became 17-18 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/14/24 8:26:27 PM #42:	grabbing him at the World Cup would have been so easy but for some reason they let the ministry take him --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:978848550] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>grabbing him at the World Cup would have been so easy but for some reason they let the ministry take him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 02/14/24 8:29:54 PM #43:	Dark_Arbron posted... So are those who wrote most legislation, yet its still subject to change by the system, which is bigger than any persons lifespan. I don't know why you think putting your name in the magic cup that spouts fire for two weeks at a time is a legal obligation that a lawyer could get you out of and not a magically binding contract that might just kill you if you break it. --- https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:978848613] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>So are those who wrote most legislation, yet its still subject to change by the system, which is bigger than any persons lifespan.</quote>I don't know why you think putting your name in the magic cup that spouts fire for two weeks at a time is a legal obligation that a lawyer could get you out of and not a magically binding contract that might just kill you if you break it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/14/24 8:32:36 PM #44:	Baha05 posted... Protection wards I believe and they only went away when he became 17-18 Those should be easy to circumvent for a sufficiently powerful wizard. Cedric Diggory was taken out in one shot by the death curse, and I dont believe he was over that age at the time. Also if you have protection wards available why age restrict them? Unless theyre rolled in with the trace put on young wizards until the age you mentioned but that raises more questions. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978848656] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Baha05 posted... </cite><quote>Protection wards I believe and they only went away when he became 17-18</quote>Those should be easy to circumvent for a sufficiently powerful wizard. Cedric Diggory was taken out in one shot by the death curse, and I dont believe he was over that age at the time.Also if you have protection wards available why age restrict them? Unless theyre rolled in with the trace put on young wizards until the age you mentioned but that raises more questions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 02/14/24 8:34:36 PM #45:	pegusus123456 posted... I don't know why you think putting your name in the magic cup that spouts fire for two weeks at a time is a legal obligation that a lawyer could get you out of and not a magically binding contract that might just kill you if you break it. That last part I concede. It wasnt exactly made clear why Harry had no choice but to compete so the consequences for not doing so could indeed be fatal. But still, I dont see why the Ministry cant adjudicate this under extraordinary circumstances. Or at the very least suspend the tournament while they investigate. My point is I cant accept the idea that the Goblet is some kind of ultimate authority that the government itself has no authority to overrule. --- Calling out stupid or reckless decision-making is not "victim blaming." <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:978848690] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>pegusus123456 posted... </cite><quote>I don't know why you think putting your name in the magic cup that spouts fire for two weeks at a time is a legal obligation that a lawyer could get you out of and not a magically binding contract that might just kill you if you break it.</quote>That last part I concede. It wasnt exactly made clear why Harry had no choice but to compete so the consequences for not doing so could indeed be fatal.But still, I dont see why the Ministry cant adjudicate this under extraordinary circumstances. Or at the very least suspend the tournament while they investigate. My point is I cant accept the idea that the Goblet is some kind of ultimate authority that the government itself has no authority to overrule. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 02/14/24 8:34:37 PM #46:	Dark_Arbron posted... Those should be easy to circumvent for a sufficiently powerful wizard. Cedric Diggory was taken out in one shot by the death curse, and I dont believe he was over that age at the time. Also if you have protection wards available why age restrict them? Unless theyre rolled in with the trace put on young wizards until the age you mentioned but that raises more questions. No, it's a ward specific to Harry, because of his mother's sacrifice. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:978848692] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>Those should be easy to circumvent for a sufficiently powerful wizard. Cedric Diggory was taken out in one shot by the death curse, and I dont believe he was over that age at the time.Also if you have protection wards available why age restrict them? Unless theyre rolled in with the trace put on young wizards until the age you mentioned but that raises more questions.</quote>No, it's a ward specific to Harry, because of his mother's sacrifice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ironman2009 02/14/24 8:35:34 PM #47:	They could have just rode the eagles --- THRILLHO <cite>ironman2009 posted [p:978848704] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>They could have just rode the eagles </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Baha05 02/14/24 8:36:06 PM #48:	Dark_Arbron posted... Those should be easy to circumvent for a sufficiently powerful wizard. Cedric Diggory was taken out in one shot by the death curse, and I dont believe he was over that age at the time. Also if you have protection wards available why age restrict them? Unless theyre rolled in with the trace put on young wizards until the age you mentioned but that raises more questions. Cedric wasnt a powerful wizard and the killing curse is well the killing curse for a reason. Plus with there being other eyes on Harry when he isnt at Hogwarts might make a move incredibly hard to do and on top of that most of the Death Eaters were basically in hiding (or hiding in plain sight) waiting for Voldemort to make his return. --- "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" <cite>Baha05 posted [p:978848714] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>Those should be easy to circumvent for a sufficiently powerful wizard. Cedric Diggory was taken out in one shot by the death curse, and I dont believe he was over that age at the time.Also if you have protection wards available why age restrict them? Unless theyre rolled in with the trace put on young wizards until the age you mentioned but that raises more questions.</quote> Cedric wasnt a powerful wizard and the killing curse is well the killing curse for a reason. Plus with there being other eyes on Harry when he isnt at Hogwarts might make a move incredibly hard to do and on top of that most of the Death Eaters were basically in hiding (or hiding in plain sight) waiting for Voldemort to make his return. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Crissaegrim- 02/14/24 8:36:28 PM #49:	Vyrulisse posted... Dumbledore said calmly https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2c742310.jpg --- Brains for dinner, brains for lunch, brains for breakfast Brains for brunch, brains at every single meal, why can't we have some guts? <cite>-Crissaegrim- posted [p:978848721] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Vyrulisse posted... </cite><quote>Dumbledore said calmly</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2c742310.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 02/14/24 8:36:54 PM #50:	Dark_Arbron posted... Those should be easy to circumvent for a sufficiently powerful wizard. Cedric Diggory was taken out in one shot by the death curse, and I dont believe he was over that age at the time. Also if you have protection wards available why age restrict them? Unless theyre rolled in with the trace put on young wizards until the age you mentioned but that raises more questions. It was a result of Lily sacrificing her life to save Harry. Petunia being her blood sister meant the protection extended to her home. What exactly this protection entails isn't specified beyond Voldemort being unable to touch him. It ended whenever Harry moved out or reached the age of majority. --- https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif https://i.imgur.com/Er6TT.gif So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:978848727] in Goblet of ... [t:80696782]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>Those should be easy to circumvent for a sufficiently powerful wizard. Cedric Diggory was taken out in one shot by the death curse, and I dont believe he was over that age at the time.Also if you have protection wards available why age restrict them? Unless theyre rolled in with the trace put on young wizards until the age you mentioned but that raises more questions.</quote>It was a result of Lily sacrificing her life to save Harry. Petunia being her blood sister meant the protection extended to her home. What exactly this protection entails isn't specified beyond Voldemort being unable to touch him. It ended whenever Harry moved out or reached the age of majority. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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