Current Events > Bob Igor says Marvel is cutting the fat.

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i maintain the best plan for marvel is to do a team up every 3 years, maybe 4 and then move on.

Avengers.
Defenders.
X Men.
Young Avengers.

These are the teams they built up through multiple projects.

Thunderbolts.
Guardians of the Galaxy.

These are the teams thrown together. But guardians is the only one with multiple projects about them. Thunderbolts have multiple characters from multiple projects so theyll be fine I think.

We dont talk about eternals. Who knows what just got cancelled that was already announced though.

It's going to be rebooted then start all over again

Outside of X-Men I'm not really sure what other strong franchises they have left for the MCU that aren't done.

Wish Marvel would die tbh

If only the entire world had told them years ago that a bunch of shockingly-high-budget movies and shows about niche characters being released weeks apart from one another might result in dilution of quality and audience engagement.

If only someone, anyone would have told them.

Don't stretch yourself out so thin. They've introduced way too many characters only to not use them afterwards. Focus on a small group and do more avengers movies = instant good content. We also need X-Men now.

iron man reboot? it's been almost 20 years.

He's mentioned this in an interview a couple of months ago, and I pretty much agree.

His previous term was until 2020. He greenlit a majority of phase 4. Acting like he's some sort of savior is pretty fucking asinine.

The franchise is probably unsalvageable at this point. Unless the fat is everything other than the few entries that are still going to make money, they should put the whole franchise to rest for a decade or so. During that time, they can play around with individual film or television entries to figure out what kind of future they can make off the Marvel properties. Some of the Disney+ stuff was going in a slightly different direction than the norm, but most of that has been maligned by general audiences for being part of the MCU. The franchise feels like a chore to viewers at this point.

The MCU is so homogenous, that most entries can't stand out by themself. The hype mostly died after Endgame and the embers mostly went out during phase 4. The tv shows aren't attracting the average viewer and only those subscribing to the MCU. The shows are too expensive and not drawing a new audience to the Disney+ platform.

The magic is gone and has been gone too long. Disney needs to accept that and take time to restrategize accounting for the fact that the superhero subgenre in film and television has waned.

Just make X-Men and Blade movies. Who gives a shit about the rest of them. Maybe a Spider-Man movie here and there but it'll probably suck anyway

X-Men, Blade, Spider-Man are like the only major franchises they have left that aren't done. They can try to turn Fantastic Four into one...but that's coming in at a disadvantage.

I guess the days where any character can get a movie is officially done. No more Ant-Man type risks.

I'm surprised the dumb superhero shit has lasted this long.

Good. Imagine if Disney milked live action Dragon Ball Z like that

there really is a lot of pressure on deadpool 3

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MatzoTov posted...

there really is a lot of pressure on deadpool 3

Yeah, if Deadpool 3 bombs, you can stick a fork in superhero movies, they're done.

Ivynn posted...

Yeah, if Deadpool 3 bombs, you can stick a fork in superhero movies, they're done.

Until "the fat" in the context of being cut is the CEOs then superhero movies are going nowhere.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Good. Imagine if Disney milked live action Dragon Ball Z like that

I mean shueisha has been milking DB like that for the past decade

ellis123 posted...

Until "the fat" in the context of being cut is the CEOs then superhero movies are going nowhere.

They'll be done in the sense of their cultural omnipresence will be over. But the superhero itself isn't going anywhere, it's been around since the 1930s so we'll always get superhero stuff lol. They just won't be surefire hits anymore.

Ivynn posted...

They'll be done in the sense of their cultural omnipresence will be over. But the superhero itself isn't going anywhere, it's been around since the 1930s so we'll always get superhero stuff lol. They just won't be surefire hits anymore.

I dunno, I think they'll still shove them down our throats. It will just be a bunch of really crappy "sure fire winners" rather than a cinematic universe.

RIP The Blob

Frankly each phase should just concentrate on 5-7 heroes, and that is it. MCU really shined when you had at most the Avengers plus a few other properties.

While the post-Infinity Saga movies are way, way unwarrantedly over-hated, I do think it would be better for them to reel it in a bit.

Pikachuchupika posted...

Don't stretch yourself out so thin. They've introduced way too many characters only to not use them afterwards. Focus on a small group and do more avengers movies = instant good content. We also need X-Men now.

This so much. The whole problem isn't even random niche characters, its having all of these random niche characters that either don't come back or don't really tie in with anything else. The Guardians of the Galaxy were able to stand out because they were basically the only ones way out ****ing about in space.

The whole selling point of the MCU was it being so big, but ironically they need to shrink it back down.

See cause his name is Iger so its funny!

hahaha!

They should focus on creating better stories beyond focusing on volume. It's sad when hardcore fans can only say the most recent movies have been mid at best.

Make shang chi 2 already holy fuck

What it needs is a convergence point.

oh really

Or should focus on quality

The mcu would be fine if secret invasion and ant mam didnt suck or a bunch werent mixed

DarthAragorn posted...

Make shang chi 2 already holy fuck

That's seriously the most baffling thing about this phase. It takes so long for proper follow ups. The original Avengers had a much better balance of sequels and crossovers.

I still feel like COVID really fucked them up in a way they haven't been able to recover from.

Like, so many projects had to be moved around, rewritten and reshot and it's kind of changed their whole approach to making movies. I don't know how true it is, but I've heard that a lot of these movies are being filmed without complete scripts and it shows.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I still feel like COVID really fucked them up in a way they haven't been able to recover from.

Like, so many projects had to be moved around, rewritten and reshot and it's kind of changed their whole approach to making movies. I don't know how true it is, but I've heard that a lot of these movies are being filmed without complete scripts and it shows.

The funny thing is they could have taken that opportunity to take a break or slow it down and come back in a big way. They had the perfect opportunity to do that after Endgame.

But they just couldn't help themselves. The push for Disney+ content really made it a lot worse too.

Punished_Blinx posted...

The funny thing is they could have taken that opportunity to take a break or slow it down and come back in a big way. They had the perfect opportunity to do that after Endgame.

But they just couldn't help themselves. The push for Disney+ content really made it a lot worse too.

Yeah, they probably should have taken a year or two off. Maybe just release the Spider-Man movies and leave it at that.

Good thing is that the only MCU movie coming out this year is Deadpool and as far as Disney+, I think it's just animated stuff like X-Men 97 and What If. Perfect time to sort shit out.

Unfortunately, Sony is dropping 3 movies that are guaranteed to be dogshit this year and Idk how much that's gonna hurt the MCU brand by association

Punished_Blinx posted...

That's seriously the most baffling thing about this phase. It takes so long for proper follow ups. The original Avengers had a much better balance of sequels and crossovers.

Pretty much. No one should go 2 years without an appearance

Wanda is fine and shes "dead". Same with her sons
White vision done bad, just flew off
Agatha gets a show 3.5 years later
Monica is fine, got a movie 2 years later

Falcon, bucky, us agent and zemo done bad. No appearance for at least 4 years

Milena, taskmaster, red guardian done bad, missing 2+ years later. Yelena came back to hawkeye

Loki show squad done well. Follow up in 2 years

Shang chi is glaringly absent. The only ones to show up from thag movie again were wong anf abomination but they barely even count in that movie.

Eternals missing 2 plus years, leaving a universe altering and unaddressed plot detail. Even starfox, blade, and jon snow are missing

Hawkeye missing 2 years later. Kate bishop at least came back so thats good. Echo also came back which is something. Yelena still missing. How eacho got a project over yelena and kate is silly. Kingpin came back. So 3 out of 5 isnt bad

Spiderman still swinging around in new york. At least daredevil came back. No expectation or rationale for other spideys to return. Scoprion and prowler are still around and unaddressed. Same with venom piece...and i have no idea whats up with vulture

Yeah theyre slacking. Im lenient on 2022 titles and up, they still have time to have follow ups in a timely manner

Punished_Blinx posted...

The funny thing is they could have taken that opportunity to take a break or slow it down and come back in a big way. They had the perfect opportunity to do that after Endgame.

But they just couldn't help themselves. The push for Disney+ content really made it a lot worse too.

They cant really wait. People age in real time. Might be rough to bring back the guardians, hemsworth, holland, etc 5 years later

Plus endgame really was a good conclusion to only iron mam and debatebly captain america. For everyone else its a mediocre conclusion

xlr_big-coop posted...

They should focus on creating better stories beyond focusing on volume. It's sad when hardcore fans can only say the most recent movies have been mid at best.

Yeah, I honestly don't even think fans are fatigued by superhero movies in general. I think they're just being hit too hard, too fast with mediocre, missable projects.

Blue_Popo posted...

They cant really wait. People age in real time. Might be rough to bring back the guardians, hemsworth, holland, etc 5 years later

Plus endgame really was a good conclusion to only iron mam and debatebly captain america. For everyone else its a mediocre conclusion

Things were fine for the two Spider-Man movies after Endgame. Focusing on continuing or finishing off some arcs for the remaining heroes is overall fine. That's not a big list.

The problem is more that they tried to do that while also introducing several characters across both movies and TV shows all within a short period. It's too much and it barely feels cohesive anymore when that used to be a strength.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Just make X-Men and Blade movies. Who gives a shit about the rest of them. Maybe a Spider-Man movie here and there but it'll probably suck anyway

They literally cannot make a Spider-Man movie solo. Sony still has those rights. Spidey has to be part of a Disney/Marvel team-up movie, or it does not pass negotiations.

Marvel fucked up BADLY in the 90s, and are STILL dealing with the ramifications of their bankruptcy back then (that's when Sony got those rights).

It cracks me up that despite all of the begging for Sony to sell Spider-Man to Disney that they are gradually going to benefit long term.

People will always show up for Spider-Man. They will always show up for Batman.

Everyone else? Who knows.

People always throw around xmen as this safe project

....no xmen movie has ever made as much as thor love and thunder

I also feel like Chadwick Boseman's death really messed them up. BP was obviously meant to be the anchor for the franchise post-Phase 3, along with Captain Marvel and Doctor Strange.

As much as I liked Wakanda Forever and Shuri in that movie, they really should have just recast T'Challa

I just know they're going to take the wrong lessons from all this.

ClayGuida posted...

His previous term was until 2020. He greenlit a majority of phase 4. Acting like he's some sort of savior is pretty fucking asinine.

Facts. And the MCU has failed way too many times for me to care about this nonsense.

The MCU could come back with an Onslaught arc

the best thing marvel could do is cremate that shit, bury it, and then deny they ever made it in the first place.

then, they should apologize just in general.

finally, they should go fuck themselves.

Blue_Popo posted...

People always throw around xmen as this safe project

....no xmen movie has ever made as much as thor love and thunder

Inflation has a bit to do with that. Days of Future Past would have made more of it was adjusted for inflation.

The point is that the shared universe has a ton of super powered people around, so not everyone has to come together. It's like the comics now, where everyone has their own storylines and you only need to follow the ones you like.

The problem is that basically none of these characters have a storyline. You can have 4 things going at once, you can't have four things at once then four different things at once then four more, never actually advancing someone's plot.

There's also the fact that people are still hanging on from phase 1 where they think they NEED to see everything, when really it's intended for you to skip titles that don't interest you. Hard to shake that attitude.