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CableZL
02/08/24 12:24:15 PM
#201:


https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1755643457354248366

I forgot when Peter Navarro was ordered to report to prison

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CableZL
02/08/24 12:33:17 PM
#202:


https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1755644918695924173

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Starforge
02/08/24 12:57:51 PM
#204:


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Rather it be this than the immunity appeal.
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Starforge
02/08/24 1:19:48 PM
#206:


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Agreed.
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Amakusa
02/08/24 1:21:09 PM
#207:


ArchonKnight posted...
Right now it seems like SCOTUS is going to side with Trump on the 14th ammendment issue.
I think the biggest hurdle was always going to be the part where Trump wasn't charged or convicted of inciting an insurrection. That was always the weak point.

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realnifty1
02/08/24 1:22:07 PM
#208:


The 14th is just vague enough about who is supposed to decide that someone "engaged in insurrection" that the SC could say it was not the Colorado courts place to make that decision. I do think a critical point to them falling that way though is they would need to clearly illuminate who it is that has the job of making that determination.
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Geiki_Ganger
02/08/24 1:25:46 PM
#209:


Amakusa posted...
I think the biggest hurdle was always going to be the part where Trump wasn't charged or convicted of inciting an insurrection. That was always the weak point.

Not really, finding of guilt is not required for 14th amendment purposes.

The main issue has always been whether a state can decide on behalf of the country who can go on a federal presidential ballot, given that the consequence has nationwide consequences.

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ClayGuida
02/08/24 1:48:18 PM
#210:


https://twitter.com/RexHuppke/status/1755648134095437857?t=s4K6hmTmHvEi2McNkFzv0w&s=19

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masterpug53
02/08/24 1:51:03 PM
#211:


"Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene and a bunch of other Mensa members"

Okay that got me good.

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Zikten
02/08/24 1:53:24 PM
#212:


If trump wins and there is a liberal version of January 6th, I fully expect Republicans to Crack down super hard on the rioters and show no mercy and act like it's way different from what they did 4 years earlier. There probably will even be more deaths
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mystic_belmont
02/08/24 1:54:03 PM
#213:


ClayGuida posted...
https://twitter.com/RexHuppke/status/1755648134095437857?t=s4K6hmTmHvEi2McNkFzv0w&s=19

He also confused Nancy Pelosi with Nikki Haley, so there is that.

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ScazarMeltex
02/08/24 1:58:00 PM
#215:


Zikten posted...
If trump wins and there is a liberal version of January 6th, I fully expect Republicans to Crack down super hard on the rioters and show no mercy and act like it's way different from what they did 4 years earlier. There probably will even be more deaths
There absolutely would be a body count in the hundreds. Besides that, libs don't have the fucking spine to do such a thing. They'll show up and march and yell, then go home and be good little Germans while the fascists do what they want. I could be wrong, I watched a lot of people get radicalized by police brutality during the George Floyd protests, but not nearly enough to accomplish anything on the scale needed to force reform on the entire federal government.

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Goldenguy
02/08/24 1:58:42 PM
#216:


I guess the 14th *could* use a bit of clarifying language, much like what the 2nd needs, too.

Trump should still be entirely disqualified from the ballot, however.

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GranAures
02/08/24 1:58:57 PM
#217:


ClayGuida posted...
https://twitter.com/RexHuppke/status/1755648134095437857?t=s4K6hmTmHvEi2McNkFzv0w&s=19
Brought to you by chuckle fucks that hid from their own voters during because they new it was going to be open season on any legislator.

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Junthor
02/08/24 2:01:49 PM
#218:


ClayGuida posted...
https://twitter.com/RexHuppke/status/1755648134095437857?t=s4K6hmTmHvEi2McNkFzv0w&s=19


Mensa?

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masterpug53
02/08/24 2:03:22 PM
#219:


Junthor posted...
Mensa?

It's a high IQ society. Calling them 'Mensa' members is the same as sarcastically calling an idiot 'Einstein.'

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ScazarMeltex
02/08/24 2:09:41 PM
#221:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I will bet you any amount of money that this won't happen.

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realnifty1
02/08/24 2:21:19 PM
#222:


Geiki_Ganger posted...
Not really, finding of guilt is not required for 14th amendment purposes.

The main issue has always been whether a state can decide on behalf of the country who can go on a federal presidential ballot, given that the consequence has nationwide consequences.

That's not quite accurate thanks to the insanity of our presidential election process. Voting on election day for President you are not voting in a nationwide ballot, you are voting in a statewide election for the electors who will go on to vote for the President at the Electoral College meeting.

To this point, there is no such thing as a Federal presidential ballot, every hopeful candidate must meet the filings, requirements, and deadlines set out by each state in order to be on their ballot. R's & D's are large organizations and take care of this nationwide for them, but it is not unusual for 3rd party candidates to only appear on a portion of State ballots.

Given that State ballots are State business I honestly think a State could exclude anyone from the ballot for little to no reason. I don't believe there is a Right to run for President, so unless they violated some other Right by removing you it should be fair game.

Unfortunately this is the Republicans yet again testing the boundaries of a system that has been mostly held together by tradition instead enumeration. There really is no right answer here as no one ever really thought something like this could be an issue.
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Junthor
02/08/24 2:47:34 PM
#223:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

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Amakusa
02/08/24 2:49:15 PM
#224:


Geiki_Ganger posted...
Not really, finding of guilt is not required for 14th amendment purposes.
It is for this case since the Colorado ruling is contingent on it.

Without having a legal charge leveraged against Trump the 'insurrection' argument is hearsay.

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Junthor
02/08/24 2:51:35 PM
#227:


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ok.. but it's still the legitimate system to elect the president

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King_Rial
02/08/24 2:55:27 PM
#229:


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But the popular vote is not the law, not has it ever been. Your use of the word "illegitimate" is simply incorrect. He won the way the rules are laid out. This is not, nor likely ever will be a referendum on the Electoral College.

I feel like this sort of, quite frankly, unhinged posting, is for a different kind of topic. A general government grievances and Trump bashing topic, this is not.

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ssb_yunglink2
02/08/24 3:45:56 PM
#231:


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Dialogue like this just puts less trust in the system that republicans are already trying to erode though. Trump wasnt illegitimate in the 2016 election.

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King_Rial
02/08/24 3:46:14 PM
#232:


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Well, I'm sure that attitude is going over quite well for you. I don't know what has your dander up but I hope you get it sorted out and it renders you more capable of having adult conversations with people you know are on your side.

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King_Rial
02/08/24 4:02:06 PM
#233:


https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/08/politics/white-house-special-counsels-report-response/index.html

They have finished the Biden Classified Documents investigation. No charges, obviously. I'm sure this is what the right-wingers will be harping at for a bit, but I'm posting for the obvious reasons why Trump is charged and Biden isn't.

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Also, Biden hasn't been seen sharing classified documents to every Tom, Dick, and Harry.

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ArchonKnight
02/08/24 5:05:21 PM
#235:


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To call it "illegitimate" is not an opinion, legitimacy is provable by facts.

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ClayGuida
02/08/24 6:15:50 PM
#236:


https://twitter.com/AP/status/1755720971372105745

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Dark_Moon
02/08/24 7:10:05 PM
#237:


King_Rial posted...
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/08/politics/white-house-special-counsels-report-response/index.html

They have finished the Biden Classified Documents investigation. No charges, obviously. I'm sure this is what the right-wingers will be harping at for a bit, but I'm posting for the obvious reasons why Trump is charged and Biden isn't.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/73dc1221.png

Also, Biden hasn't been seen sharing classified documents to every Tom, Dick, and Harry.

They are harping on the info that during the interview the interviewee thought Biden had memory problems.

While of course still ignoring trump's.

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Alucard188
02/09/24 8:29:46 AM
#238:


https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1755836307233022362?t=qecM5HzYOsS_EGwdM2FKkw&s=19

The Mar-a-lago documents case is still going on, huh? Of course she would do something to jeopardize the safety of witnesses against the orange emperor.

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mystic_belmont
02/09/24 9:04:59 AM
#239:


If she doesn't, this will be another reason to drop her from the case.

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darkace77450
02/09/24 11:02:19 AM
#240:


Alucard188 posted...
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1755836307233022362?t=qecM5HzYOsS_EGwdM2FKkw&s=19

Every single one of us sees the death threats coming.
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Orange_Ninja
02/09/24 11:32:54 AM
#242:


Christ. How nakedly biased can a judge be?

Edit: And, boy, this will go a long way toward discouraging any future witnesses. Which is, of course, the point.

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King_Rial
02/09/24 11:35:28 AM
#243:


Jack is continuing to add ammo to the case of how incredibly biasedly Cannon is handling this case. He'll still need more if he wants her removed.

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UnholyMudcrab
02/09/24 11:54:22 AM
#244:


King_Rial posted...
Jack is continuing to add ammo to the case of how incredibly biasedly Cannon is handling this case. He'll still need more if he wants her removed.
It takes a lot more to get a judge removed for bias than I think people are aware of. Frankly, unless she explicitly states at some point that she's doing it all for Trump, I don't think it's going to happen.

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AlCalavicci
02/09/24 12:11:20 PM
#245:


Alucard188 posted...
https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1755836307233022362?t=qecM5HzYOsS_EGwdM2FKkw&s=19

The Mar-a-lago documents case is still going on, huh? Of course she would do something to jeopardize the safety of witnesses against the orange emperor.

From an objective standpoint, is there a legit reason why witness names should be unsealed?

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ScazarMeltex
02/09/24 12:12:49 PM
#246:


AlCalavicci posted...
From an objective standpoint, is there a legit reason why witness names should be unsealed?
No.

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CableZL
02/09/24 12:18:37 PM
#247:


AlCalavicci posted...
From an objective standpoint, is there a legit reason why witness names should be unsealed?

Under normal circumstances, defendants don't go out of their way to incite threats and violence against witnesses, prosecutors, judges, etc., but that's what routinely happens in cases against Trump.

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King_Rial
02/09/24 12:34:36 PM
#248:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
It takes a lot more to get a judge removed for bias than I think people are aware of. Frankly, unless she explicitly states at some point that she's doing it all for Trump, I don't think it's going to happen.
Like I said, he'd need more. But even then, it's very rare and difficult. They may not bother simply because of how much she is letting Trump drag this out. At a certain point, a new judge wouldn't speed things up. Because you'd have to wait for a new judge and then for that judge to get caught up to speed. So much to review.

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darkace77450
02/09/24 3:58:35 PM
#249:


King_Rial posted...
At a certain point, a new judge wouldn't speed things up. Because you'd have to wait for a new judge and then for that judge to get caught up to speed. So much to review.

I'm far more interested in justice than I am this wrapping up quickly, and I don't trust Cannon to allow justice to be done. I doubt he can get her removed as of now, but I hope it happens before she's allowed to tank Smith's open-and-shut case.
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King_Rial
02/09/24 5:04:01 PM
#250:


darkace77450 posted...
I'm far more interested in justice than I am this wrapping up quickly, and I don't trust Cannon to allow justice to be done. I doubt he can get her removed as of now, but I hope it happens before she's allowed to tank Smith's open-and-shut case.
The speed was more so because Trump seems to be attempting to stall until he can get back into office, where we believes he can shield himself from this case, or pardon himself if need be.

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