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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 11:37:49 AM
#101:


What I mean is, they'll rule on it way late.

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ThePieReborn
02/06/24 11:38:57 AM
#102:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Basically this. Even under the assumption that there would be some political sympathies, the ramifications of a reversal are far more severe and long lasting than the political fallout/damage to the Republican party.

Timeframe-wise, I'm not sure what scheduling rules are binding on SCOTUS appeals/ruling on a petition for certiorari. So that is a concern.

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Tyranthraxus
02/06/24 11:39:43 AM
#103:


Gorsuch & Roberts will probably vote with the liberals. Dunno about the others. Thomas probably won't because Thomas gimmick is that he's always wrong.

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/06/24 11:40:10 AM
#104:


I just don't see what the SCOTUS has to gain from protecting Trump at this point. Their positions are already locked in for life.

I'm thinking MAYBE they fear violence from Trumpers, but haven't they already ruled against him before?

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Alucard188
02/06/24 11:41:04 AM
#105:


Starks posted...
He's going to be spiteful and ask for en banc. And then when he finds that maybe 1 out of 10 judges on the panel agrees with him, he'll run with that.

https://twitter.com/7Veritas4/status/1754902209454547292?t=AIv992mNF0CfOclO7LP9CQ&s=19

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ScarfForLife
02/06/24 11:41:37 AM
#106:


I feel like Roberts is usually rational for the most part despite being a Republican. We know Thomas will side with Trump. Alito prob will too. That leaves one of Kavanaugh or Coney Barrett to deny the appeal.

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ThePieReborn
02/06/24 11:42:14 AM
#107:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I just don't see what the SCOTUS has to gain from protecting Trump at this point. Their positions are already locked in for life.

I'm thinking MAYBE they fear violence from Trumpers, but haven't they already ruled against him before?
Yep, SCOTUS ruled against him in Vance (not related to JD Vance).

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CADE_FOSTER
02/06/24 11:45:05 AM
#108:


If the scotus says he has immunity Dark Brandon can do whatever he wants and get away with it
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RchHomieQuanChi
02/06/24 11:47:40 AM
#109:


CADE_FOSTER posted...
If the scotus says he has immunity Dark Brandon can do whatever he wants and get away with it


I think the main concern is whether or not they delay the ruling until it's too late.

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Alucard188
02/06/24 11:48:23 AM
#110:


CADE_FOSTER posted...
If the scotus says he has immunity Dark Brandon can do whatever he wants and get away with it

Which is the other thing that they want to avoid. In a functional two-party system, the other guy gets to do what the one guy does. You can't have total presidential immunity. You just can't. The ramifications are too broad to be this short sighted.

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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 11:52:09 AM
#111:


Alucard188 posted...
Which is the other thing that they want to avoid. In a functional two-party system, the other guy gets to do what the one guy does. You can't have total presidential immunity. You just can't. The ramifications are too broad to be this short sighted.

The Founding Fathers didn't fight a war against an emperor just to install one via the Constitution.

I mean, there were a few that kind of wanted that, but the vast majority did not. They put a lot of failsafes in to diminish the power the executive had.

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StarFighters76
02/06/24 11:54:06 AM
#112:


Cowards, all of them. That pretty much sums it all up. Dunno why Trump is on he knees begging for immunity. With the way things are going, with all these courts being chicken shits, you would think he already has it.

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Ruvan22
02/06/24 12:09:41 PM
#113:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I think the main concern is whether or not they delay the ruling until it's too late.

What would the SC gain by intentionally delaying the ruling till after the election? Hoping Trump wins and stops the federal cases so they don't have to rule?
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divot1338
02/06/24 12:12:01 PM
#114:


Lol this appeals court just ruled on one of his claims about double jeopardy with only the words we disagree.

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itcheyness
02/06/24 12:14:10 PM
#115:


Ruvan22 posted...
What would the SC gain by intentionally delaying the ruling till after the election? Hoping Trump wins and stops the federal cases so they don't have to rule?
If they rule against him and Trump wins, he might have them executed once he seizes power.

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/06/24 12:16:04 PM
#116:


Ruvan22 posted...
What would the SC gain by intentionally delaying the ruling till after the election? Hoping Trump wins and stops the federal cases so they don't have to rule?

Something like that.

But again, I still don't see what's in for the SCOTUS to do this. At the same time, Republicans will literally throw away their own sense of self-preservation just to protect Trump so who fucking knows what they will do

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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 12:17:17 PM
#117:


We cannot accept former President Trump's claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power - the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count.

At bottom, former President Trump's stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter.

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masterpug53
02/06/24 12:45:03 PM
#118:


mystic_belmont posted...
We cannot accept former President Trump's claim that a President has unbounded authority to commit crimes that would neutralize the most fundamental check on executive power - the recognition and implementation of election results. Nor can we sanction his apparent contention that the Executive has carte blanche to violate the rights of individual citizens to vote and to have their votes count.

At bottom, former President Trump's stance would collapse our system of separated powers by placing the President beyond the reach of all three Branches. Presidential immunity against federal indictment would mean that, as to the President, the Congress could not legislate, the Executive could not prosecute and the Judiciary could not review. We cannot accept that the office of the Presidency places its former occupants above the law for all time thereafter.

Like, I understand perfectly why people fast results with these cases, or that most of Trump's bullshit should be met with a reaction of "I'm not even going to dignify that with a response because it's so obviously wrong / corrupt." But it's worth the wait to give our legal system the time to craft an iron-clad ruling such as this that gives the GOP and / or bad faith actors virtually no room to 'ackshually' their way around the issue.

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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 1:00:17 PM
#119:


https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fji84emu7izgc1.jpeg

Ha!

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RchHomieQuanChi
02/06/24 1:02:03 PM
#120:


mystic_belmont posted...
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fji84emu7izgc1.jpeg

Ha!

Translation: "I totally plan on indicting Joe Biden if elected to office."

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Alucard188
02/06/24 1:02:22 PM
#121:


https://twitter.com/7Veritas4/status/1754927766552604819?t=1TR5uJgQFye8H1ogR2H_uA&s=19

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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 1:02:46 PM
#122:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Translation: "I totally plan on trying to indict Joe Biden if elected to office."

I really like that he isn't even arguing that he is innocent.

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Alucard188
02/06/24 1:04:52 PM
#123:


https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1754924789628797108?t=ghQ2lnCRTCJo5mvnt3BJHg&s=19

She is really bad at her job.

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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 1:07:39 PM
#124:


I don't remember peaceful protesters smearing feces on the walls of places they are protesting.

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TomClark
02/06/24 1:07:55 PM
#125:


Alucard188 posted...
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1754924789628797108?t=ghQ2lnCRTCJo5mvnt3BJHg&s=19

She is really bad at her job.

I'm not even sure what she's trying to say here.

I mean, I get that she's deeply, deeply stupid and not even she knows what she's trying to say here, but even still...

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realnifty1
02/06/24 1:07:56 PM
#126:


I think the SC will decline to take on the appeal, I even imagine that was the reasoning behind deferring taking the case up initially when Jack Smith tried to jump to the end. The conclusion is so obvious that I just don't think the SC wanted their names on the line of the decision fearing retribution given that they are more public figures. Or in some cases the blowback from friends/donors/friendly donors.

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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 1:09:49 PM
#127:


I mean, the appeals court ruled unanimous against him, so they could always go with that.

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GranAures
02/06/24 1:19:01 PM
#128:


TomClark posted...
I'm not even sure what she's trying to say here.

I mean, I get that she's deeply, deeply stupid and not even she knows what she's trying to say here, but even still...
"Why was it bad when people 'protested'(read: stormed the capitol to overthrow an election) but not when the national guard protected the Capitol from being during the inauguration?"

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CableZL
02/06/24 1:24:29 PM
#129:


https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1754903728782520369

Jeffrey Clark's bar disciplinary proceedings will continue

Can't remember where we're at on this one

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Kai_Laguna
02/06/24 1:28:04 PM
#130:


TomClark posted...
I'm not even sure what she's trying to say here.

I mean, I get that she's deeply, deeply stupid and not even she knows what she's trying to say here, but even still...
You can see the exact moment the guy behind her comprehends what she just said and suffers a brain aneurysm.
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TerraSeeker
02/06/24 2:08:05 PM
#131:


Is this still going on? You would think at some point people would move on.

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King_Rial
02/06/24 2:10:49 PM
#132:


TerraSeeker posted...
Is this still going on? You would think at some point people would move on.
Is what still going on?

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ReiRei89
02/06/24 2:12:48 PM
#133:


TerraSeeker posted...
Is this still going on? You would think at some point people would move on.
Stop holstering the fat fuck, he doesn't love you.

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Will_VIII
02/06/24 2:15:40 PM
#134:


TerraSeeker posted...
Is this still going on? You would think at some point people would move on.
Yes the trials are still going on

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ssb_yunglink2
02/06/24 2:17:30 PM
#135:


TerraSeeker posted...
Is this still going on? You would think at some point people would move on.
Why would people move on when the trials are still going

theres nothing to move on from

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GranAures
02/06/24 2:19:08 PM
#136:


I'm sure plenty of people wish holding Trump accountable would be moved on from so they can pretend the person they support isn't a twice impeached rapist, fraud, insurrectionist.

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Ruvan22
02/06/24 2:20:36 PM
#137:


Alucard188 posted...
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1754924789628797108?t=ghQ2lnCRTCJo5mvnt3BJHg&s=19

She is really bad at her job.

Does she.. does she know what an insurrection is? o.0
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Reimu
02/06/24 2:22:07 PM
#138:


TerraSeeker posted...
Is this still going on? You would think at some point people would move on.

Trump is one of extreme tenacity with trying to bring what he perceives as wrong to justice. It's only fair to treat him in kind no?

Or is there some reason it can't be that way you haven't enlightened us to?

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masterpug53
02/06/24 2:23:58 PM
#139:


Y'all are putting infinitely more thought into interpreting Large Marge's statement than she put into saying it.

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CableZL
02/06/24 2:27:25 PM
#140:


TerraSeeker posted...
Is this still going on? You would think at some point people would move on.

NY Civil Fraud trial:
  • Trial stage is over and Judge Engoron is working on the ruling. Recent developments include a report from the court-appointed financial monitor that the defendants were still misreporting things and one of the defense's witnesses lied under oath, which the judge is looking into as a part of his final ruling. Judge Engoron previously said he expects to make his ruling in early to mid February, but this is still subject to change. He has requested briefs from the counselors in the trial by Wednesday at 5pm.


Trial related to January 6th:
  • DC Circuit Court of Appeals ruled today that Trump does not have absolute immunity. Trump has until Monday to appeal to SCOTUS it is expected that he will.


Classified documents trial:
  • Still in pre-trial phase, but some seemingly routine pretrial things have happened in the last week or so. No word on when the trial will actually start.


Georgia RICO trial:
  • Still in pre-trial phase. Rumors about an alleged inappropriate relationship between Fani Willis and Nathan Wade seem to not have any actual substance, but a hearing is supposed to be happening on February 15th.
  • August 5th trial start date has been requested by Fani Willis
  • Jenna Ellis facing further bar disciplinary proceedings in Colorado because of her guilty plea


NY hush money/business records trial:
  • Set for March 25th and might be the 1st to trial. Haven't heard many updates about this one.


Other:
  • Jeffrey Clark just got his appeal to delay his bar disciplinary proceedings denied.
  • I believe we're also waiting on the final decision on the law licenses for Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman


So yeah, there's a lot going on still.

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CableZL
02/06/24 2:28:02 PM
#141:


Ruvan22 posted...
Does she.. does she know what an insurrection is? o.0

She thinks people who have solar don't have working electricity at night.

So no, she doesn't.

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mach25687
02/06/24 3:09:37 PM
#144:


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CableZL
02/06/24 3:10:44 PM
#145:


Also, the FBI is still arresting people left and right for their actions on January 6, 2021.

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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 3:12:38 PM
#146:


So Rachel Maddow mentioned on her show last night (which you can listen to via podcast, it's quite a spicy episode about the GOP dissolving itself) that oral arguments for the USSC on whether Trump is ineligible for office via the 14th Ammendment is scheduled for Thursday at 10:00 a.m. .

It'll be streamed live, and should not take more than two hours.

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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 4:21:24 PM
#148:


If you are wondering where to listen to the court case, look no further:

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-to-listen-to-donald-trumps-14th-amendment-case-at-the-supreme-court

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mystic_belmont
02/06/24 4:36:31 PM
#149:


If you want to read the brief historians sent to the USSC, you can read it here:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-719/298999/20240129110006501_23-719%20bsac%20American%20Historians%20Final.pdf

It's only 44 pages.

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FearlessMango
02/06/24 6:19:36 PM
#150:


Alucard188 posted...
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1754924789628797108?t=ghQ2lnCRTCJo5mvnt3BJHg&s=19

She is really bad at her job.

Ruvan22 posted...
Does she.. does she know what an insurrection is? o.0
No, but this is the plan and always has been since the insurrection attempt on Jan 6 failed

keep regurgitating the word insurrection and applying it to every other thing as a means of devaluing that word to the idiotic american public so they eventually think that the actual insurrection wasn't bad or shouldn't be punished

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