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BlueBoy675
02/01/24 1:58:20 PM
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Its not even a bad game. Its just that Nomura spent 13 years blueballing the fanbase by making everything but KH3 and milking the franchise for as long as possible. Then when the game finally came out it was underwhelming as hell because it had to live up to an impossible amount of hype, and it is 100% Square and Nomuras fault. I cant really think of a game that disappointed me more

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VampireCoyote
02/01/24 1:59:39 PM
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Only the first game was good imo

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Jupiter
02/01/24 2:01:04 PM
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I really doubt Nomura said "You know what would be great? If instead of finishing Versus XIII or making KH3 right away, we instead release KH3 13-14 years later and I never get to finish Versus XIII."

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DaxNovalis
02/01/24 2:01:58 PM
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One of the most disappointing sequels I've ever played. I quit after a few hours.
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ThunderTrain
02/01/24 2:01:58 PM
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No final fantasy characters!?!?!?

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s0nicfan
02/01/24 2:02:41 PM
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I can't help but feel like Nomura is a great example of failing upward. He started as a debugger, then became a character designer, then out of nowhere became the director for KH. It feels a bit like "well he's been here for years so we should probably promote him" and the end result was KH being this massive shitshow because it turns out knowing how to draw belts doesn't mean you know how to manage a large development team.

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ViewtifulJoe
02/01/24 2:03:01 PM
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Is dance water dance guy in this one?

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ANort175
02/01/24 2:03:14 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
Only the first game was good imo
KH2 FM+ on critcal mode completely shits all over the first game.

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Darkninja42
02/01/24 2:03:14 PM
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It finally got to the point where the fanbase wasn't willing to give it a pass for the bad writing anymore. I'm not inherently against happy(ish) endings but I think it's because it was executed in such a boring way after so long. If it had been some crazy shit still I think it might have worked out a little better.

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Letsago
02/01/24 2:03:58 PM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
Is dance water dance guy in this one?
Yes but you don't fight him

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s0nicfan
02/01/24 2:04:29 PM
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Darkninja42 posted...
It finally got to the point where the fanbase wasn't willing to give it a pass for the bad writing anymore. I'm not inherently against happy(ish) endings but I think it's because it was executed in such a boring way after so long. If it had been some crazy shit still I think it might have worked out a little better.

Can we even call it an "ending" though? Half the problem is KH3 needed to be an ending and instead it shits all over itself by reminding folks that the web game is canon and there's still a bunch of unresolved mysteries to deal with.

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ViewtifulJoe
02/01/24 2:06:44 PM
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Letsago posted...
Yes but you don't fight him
Curses.

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Holy_Cloud105
02/01/24 2:06:50 PM
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Jupiter posted...
I really doubt Nomura said "You know what would be great? If instead of finishing Versus XIII or making KH3 right away, we instead release KH3 13-14 years later and I never get to finish Versus XIII."
Everyone always ignores that his team working on Versus XIII, which was the team that made KH1 and 2, kept getting pulled away from the game to help with the XIII trilogy that was stuck in development hell too. Then he also said he didn't want to announce KH3 when it was originally announced and wanted to do it later.

The games between 2 and 3 were made to keep interest in the series going and also train the Osaka team since the Tokyo team was always being pulled away for other things.

He was put in charge of FF7R and it came out without much issues on the development side.

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VampireCoyote
02/01/24 2:07:20 PM
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ANort175 posted...
KH2 FM+ on critcal mode completely shits all over the first game.

VampireCoyote posted...
Only the first game was good imo


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ANort175
02/01/24 2:09:44 PM
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Quoting your wrong opinions doesn't change the fact it's wrong. KH's story is the best in the series I'll give you that but its combat is basic as fuck and pretty much nothing in the game poses a challenge once you've grinded to the max level, even Xemnas is a joke on proud mode unless you fight him at a low level.

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VampireCoyote
02/01/24 2:14:01 PM
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ANort175 posted...
Quoting your wrong opinions doesn't change the fact it's wrong. KH's story is the best in the series I'll give you that but its combat is basic as fuck and pretty much nothing in the game poses a challenge once you've grinded to the max level, even Xemnas is a joke on proud mode unless you fight him at a low level.

Its my opinion and you can have a different one that you can state all on your own without being rude.

VampireCoyote posted...
Only the first game was good imo

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BlueBoy675
02/01/24 2:14:10 PM
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KH1 has better world design and story

KH2 has better combat and gameplay

Theyre both great games. KH3 is a disappointing sequel

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MaxEffingBemis
02/01/24 2:27:09 PM
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The story was bad, the worlds were bad, game was a slog. Idk, I played through it once and I viscerally hate it to the point where I hate the franchise now

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ANort175
02/01/24 2:27:26 PM
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Lol calls me rude then immediately blocks me because he didn't feel like giving actual reasons for his opinion. Something tells me nothing of value will be lost with that one.

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Enclave
02/01/24 2:30:10 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Everyone always ignores that his team working on Versus XIII, which was the team that made KH1 and 2, kept getting pulled away from the game to help with the XIII trilogy that was stuck in development hell too. Then he also said he didn't want to announce KH3 when it was originally announced and wanted to do it later.

The games between 2 and 3 were made to keep interest in the series going and also train the Osaka team since the Tokyo team was always being pulled away for other things.

He was put in charge of FF7R and it came out without much issues on the development side.

Don't forget the team was also pulled away to help with Final Fantasy XV.

People always ignore the causes of Kingdom Hearts 3s development delays and there was many and completely out of control of the dev team and Nomura. It was an absolutely chaotic time at Squenix.

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Strider102
02/01/24 2:32:13 PM
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Best thing about KH3 was the Gummi Ship.

Worst thing about KH3 is the $20+ story dlc.

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Jupiter
02/01/24 2:36:32 PM
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I do think KH3 sucked, but it was the first time I beat ALL of the data fights. Except for the secret Yozora fight at the end. Died in 2 seconds and said nope lmao.

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Darkninja42
02/01/24 3:12:19 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Can we even call it an "ending" though? Half the problem is KH3 needed to be an ending and instead it shits all over itself by reminding folks that the web game is canon and there's still a bunch of unresolved mysteries to deal with.
True. I consider it an ending in the sense of it resolved a good amount of plot points, even though it left some stuff hanging. At least from what I remember anyway, I haven't played it since it came out.
Edit: And really it wasn't the plot points themselves that was truly the issue, it was the pacing. Like nothing progressed for like 95 percent of the game and then everything was rushed and crammed into the last 5 percent.

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Rharyx211
02/04/24 4:37:28 AM
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BlueBoy675 posted...
KH1 has better world design and story

KH2 has better combat and gameplay

Theyre both great games. KH3 is a disappointing sequel
DaxNovalis posted...
One of the most disappointing sequels I've ever played.
These.

I felt so empty inside after finishing KH3, it let me down so hard.

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_____Cait
02/04/24 4:38:17 AM
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It felt like fanfiction

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solosnake
02/04/24 4:43:15 AM
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I skipped it, too much nonsense with titles like birth by sleep and 358/2

Final Fantasy 13 and 15 and 14 at launch have all been major disappointments too.

SE has been pretty good at that

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AceMos
02/04/24 4:45:05 AM
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the problem with KHs story beyond the fact nomura keeps adding random shit that makes it more convoluted

is it kept focusing on sora

sora and crew should have exited the story with KH2

then we get a new main cast with a new keyblade (that has a different function)

and that be how KH works just different characters bopping around disney movies solving different problems

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Karovorak
02/04/24 4:47:42 AM
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Darkninja42 posted...
Edit: And really it wasn't the plot points themselves that was truly the issue, it was the pacing. Like nothing progressed for like 95 percent of the game and then everything was rushed and crammed into the last 5 percent.

This was the worst part.

KH3 was aimless from beginning to end, until you suddenly hit the final world after Big Hero 5, and shit hit the fan with 5 hits per minute.

KH2 was already bad with that, but at least they had some "let's check the other worlds to find out what Organisation XIII and these nobodies are doing". The reasons why Sora went here and there were also bad, but at least the events there were somewhat used for some build up.


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AsucaHayashi
02/04/24 4:48:31 AM
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can somebody summarize KH's story in a few lines?

it really sounds like such a huge clusterfuck of unequaled proportions

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comicfire
02/04/24 4:53:04 AM
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The Disney worlds cratered 3. The series' usual approach of dropping most of the story towards the end was really bad here since it meant a lot of plot threads built up for years were solved in minutes instead of being weaved throughout the game.

I'd have much rather have been exploring the darkness to save a character rather than watch an uglier version of Tangled or Frozen with Sora in the background, y'know?

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AceMos
02/04/24 4:57:57 AM
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comicfire posted...
The Disney worlds cratered 3. The series' usual approach of dropping most of the story towards the end was really bad here since it meant a lot of plot threads built up for years were solved in minutes instead of being weaved throughout the game.

I'd have much rather have been exploring the darkness to save a character rather than watch an uglier version of Tangled or Frozen with Sora in the background, y'know?
speaking of frozen

"hmm the most popular disney movie ever who has elsa a character of god tier popularity who should be the playable character for this world I KNOW THE RANDOM SNOW GOLEM NO ONE REMEMBERS"

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pegusus123456
02/04/24 4:58:56 AM
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AsucaHayashi posted...
can somebody summarize KH's story in a few lines?
Literally no one.

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AceMos
02/04/24 5:07:29 AM
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AsucaHayashi posted...
can somebody summarize KH's story in a few lines?

it really sounds like such a huge clusterfuck of unequaled proportions
it would take an hours long video essay to properly summarize KH

and by the time any one made such a video some random new nugget of lore would drop in some random place that changes 70% of everything you researched for said video

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RVallant
02/04/24 5:18:26 AM
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VampireCoyote posted...
Only the first game was good imo

Fair, they just never caught the magic again in the sequels tbh.
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RVallant
02/04/24 5:19:46 AM
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AsucaHayashi posted...
can somebody summarize KH's story in a few lines?

it really sounds like such a huge clusterfuck of unequaled proportions

Disney and Square give writing powers to Beinhoff and Weiss of the Season 8 era.
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tripleh213
02/04/24 5:57:13 AM
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3 was trash

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Karovorak
02/04/24 6:04:17 AM
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AsucaHayashi posted...
can somebody summarize KH's story in a few lines?

it really sounds like such a huge clusterfuck of unequaled proportions

Well, it's about this guy called Xehanort, and then stuff gets complicated.

But you don't know this for like many many games, because at first you asume it was about Ansem, but it wasn't.

If you think "doesn't sounds that bad", please understand that everyone who knows KH is currently between giggling and facepalming, because there are like dozens of different Ansem's and Xehanort's out there.

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Rharyx211
02/04/24 6:04:45 AM
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RVallant posted...
Fair, they just never caught the magic again in the sequels tbh.
I think DDD caught some of the atmosphere the first game had (mainly just by having Traverse Town again), but by that point in the series everything else had changed.

The first game really is iconic.

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AceMos
02/04/24 6:12:53 AM
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Karovorak posted...
Well, it's about this guy called Xehanort, and then stuff gets complicated.

But you don't know this for like many many games, because at first you asume it was about Ansem, but it wasn't.

If you think "doesn't sounds that bad", please understand that everyone who knows KH is currently between giggling and facepalming, because there are like dozens of different Ansem's and Xehanort's out there.
and then KH3 revealed its not aboutthem but these other characters you only knowif you played a crappy cellphone game

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IceCreamOnStero
02/04/24 6:16:54 AM
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RVallant posted...
Fair, they just never caught the magic again in the sequels tbh.
2 is by far the best though

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Karovorak
02/04/24 6:17:19 AM
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AceMos posted...
and then KH3 revealed its not aboutthem but these other characters you only knowif you played a crappy cellphone game

And to make it even better, random boss fight turned out to be some big mastermind.

It's like watching a new Star Wars movie, and suddenly in the post credit scene Boba Fett sits on the throne of the Emperor.

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pegusus123456
02/04/24 6:22:56 AM
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Just to give an idea of how dumb KH's lore is, there are two main types of enemies.

One is the Heartless, most of which are comprised entirely of hearts corrupted by darkness.

The other is the Nobodies, all of which are bodies without hearts.

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LSGW_Zephyra
02/04/24 6:25:27 AM
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But I thought KH3 was pretty great overall...

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pegusus123456
02/04/24 6:27:45 AM
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LSGW_Zephyra posted...
But I thought KH3 was pretty great overall...
It's...fine. But the title is a good summation of it.

I liked it most when it wasn't dealing with the main plot which is not a good thing. As others said, the pacing is just godawful. And you'd think Sora was the one who got hit in the head with that rock instead of Goofy because he's so. Goddamn. Dumb.

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LSGW_Zephyra
02/04/24 6:31:25 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
It's...fine. But the title is a good summation of it.

I liked it most when it wasn't dealing with the main plot which is not a good thing. As others said, the pacing is just godawful. And you'd think Sora was the one who got hit in the head with that rock instead of Goofy because he's so. Goddamn. Dumb.

But I never felt underwhelmed and after the attitude check that was KH:3D, I knew the plot would be absolute nonsense. Like the gameplay and atmosphere is probably the best Nomura has done. I don't remember the pacing being any worse then the others nor do I recall Sora being any dumber than normal

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LSGW_Zephyra
02/04/24 6:35:10 AM
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It could also be how highly disappointed I was in FF15 and this was the direct comparison and all I could think was more energy and effort to polish KH3 instead of that

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legendarylemur
02/04/24 6:37:15 AM
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Only the first game was good. KH2 had a really bad story, and I feel like it was the start of the shittiest lore in all of gaming. I just don't understand why Nobodies were necessary at all, when they're functionally just another type of heartless. It doesn't even thematically make sense. We know from the title and all, hearts are important to the narrative, and heartlesses are very obviously the bad guys. Nobodies though? I don't get it, like what do they have to do with hearts or kingdoms or disney or even FF? These little things make me feel like the writers just started to do things just for the sake of it.

Meanwhile KH1 feels like a Disney movie. There's a very simple and clear motivation, and there are a lot of complexities that are self-contained (aka going through all the Disney stories under different context). KH2 just lets those complexities just completely take over the story with the whole Org XIII crap shit, and there's no way these guys were ever going to be as interesting or fun as the band of disney villains with Maleficent at the helm. Also the 7 princess collection thing was a simple and easy to understand motif, and it connected why you were going to all of these kingdoms.

Also I just don't consider KH2's supposed improved gameplay to be to its credit. Nearly every game that just builds on top of the previous game tend to have a better combat and other UX things. However, KH2 in general is very reliant on a single button doing different things. I see it for what it is. They generate unique cutscenes and take control away from the player. It doesn't feel like I was adapting to the situation even though logically, it should be.

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pegusus123456
02/04/24 6:38:04 AM
#48:


LSGW_Zephyra posted...
But I never felt underwhelmed and after the attitude check that was KH:3D, I knew the plot would be absolute nonsense. Like the gameplay and atmosphere is probably the best Nomura has done. I don't remember the pacing being any worse then the others nor do I recall Sora being any dumber than normal
The story was always dumb, but it was at least paced out. Like someone else said, 95% of the game is just wandering around doing nothing, then the entire plot is shoved into that last 5% all at once.

Hard disagree on the gameplay too. The exploration is the best it's been since KH1, but the combat is not nearly as good as KH2.

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AceMos
02/04/24 6:40:56 AM
#49:


Karovorak posted...
And to make it even better, random boss fight turned out to be some big mastermind.

It's like watching a new Star Wars movie, and suddenly in the post credit scene Boba Fett sits on the throne of the Emperor.
no it would be like if in the MCU after endgame the post credit scene reaveled a character only in the ironman wii game was revealed to be the true mastermind

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SydnieStarlight
02/04/24 6:51:37 AM
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KH3 definitely did some things right. The gameplay was pretty top tier, especially being able to actually use any Keyblade you wanted, everything was gorgeous, and it was by far the best the Disney worlds have ever been.

But it was too short, and it really dropped the ball with the main story. This was supposed to be the satisfying climactic conclusion of the Xehanort arc, but it spent so much time setting up the next arc that it felt more like any other non-numbered transition story. It also didn't resolve a lot of the subplots in a really satisfying way, and its approach to the gauntlet in the final world was kinda weak. The DLC did help with some of this, but it's still a point against if you need DLC to patch up the main story.

I also think it could've used another two or three Disney worlds, especially if they were of the same quality as the likes of the BH6 and Monsters Inc. worlds. Yeah, one thing KH3 really showed me is that Disney worlds are at their strongest when they do their own thing instead of just rehashing the movies. San Fransokyo is probably my favorite world in the series~

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