Current Events > WB reverses course on "Coyote vs ACME" after filmmakers rebel

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boxoto
11/13/23 5:30:51 PM
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With Road Runner-like speed, Warner Bros. Discovery has reversed its decision to bury Coyote vs. Acme.

The studio will now allow director Dave Green to shop his live-action/animation hybrid movie to other potential buyers instead of shelving the project for a tax write off, The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed. Amazon is said to be a contender in the mix, with screenings for potential buyers taking place this month. Puck was first to report the news on the reversal.

The move comes days after the The Hollywood Reporter broke the news that Coyote vs. Acme would become Warners third already-shot film to get shelved after previously nixing nearly completed projects Batgirl and Scoob! Holiday Haunt in August 2022.

After Batgirl and Scoob! were dumped, a group of filmmakers with business at the studio started a text chain a support group of sorts to share their hopes and their anxieties, as well as encouragement and tips for navigating the studio. The one question all of them had: What was going on with their movies?

The Coyote cancelation roiled the creative community perhaps even harder than Batgirl and Scoob!, because those had been positioned as a one-off change in strategy, never to happen again. According to sources, after the Coyote vs. Acme news broke last week, several filmmakers instructed reps to cancel meetings they had on the books with Warners. But now that Coyote may ultimately find a new home, these filmmakers are taking a wait-and-see approach.

Unlike the other films Warners canceled, Coyote vs. Acme was fully completed and had tested multiple times in the 90s. (Best picture winner Argo, both Deadpool movies, and the first The Conjuring are among features that likewise tested in the 90s.) According to sources who have seen the film which stars Will Forte, John Cena and Lana Condor Coyote vs. Acme is a popcorn-style crowd-pleaser.

Coyote vs. Acme is a great movie, tweeted writer-director BenDavid Grabinski, who worked with Green on Happily. The best of its kind since [Who Framed] Roger Rabbit The leads are super likable. Its beautifully shot. The animation is great. The ending makes everyone fucking cry. I thought the goal of this business was to make hit movies?

After Batgirl was shelved, a narrative emerged that the film was axed because it wasnt very good. Our job is to protect the DC brand, and thats what were going to do, Warner Bros. Discovery CEO Zaslav declared during 2022 investors call days after the cancelation. Peter Safran, who became the head of DC Studios after Batgirl was shelved, said the team behind the film was talented, but that Batgirl was not releasable in remarks to press in January.

Greens industry friends mobilized to prevent that kind of messaging from tainting the reputation of Coyote vs. Acme. There is still a planned funeral screening this week on the Warners lot, according to sources, though funeral is no longer an apt term for a project that may very well find new life.

I dont know how you see the movie and then go, That couldnt happen to me, says Brian Duffield, the filmmaker behind the sleeper Hulu hit No One Will Save You. Duffield was not involved in Coyote vs. Acme, but is friends with Green and gave notes on the film.

Part of Duffields frustration, he says, was that Green did everything that was asked of him: he delivered the film, which sources say cost $72 million, on budget. He hit the right test scores. He even moved away from his friends and family to London for 18 months to save the studio money on post-production costs. All this, only to see his film get run off a cliff.

Duffield believes that Coyote can make money certainly more than the tax write-off.

I think Coyote is really similar to Barbie in a lot of ways, says Duffield. They are playing with iconography in a really fun, popcorn kind of way.

Veteran film executives acknowledge that shelving a film for a tax-writeoff and to avoid distribution and marketing costs can make an earnings quarter look better, but it can be short-sighted for a studio in the business of building franchises and a slate.

The decision followed the industry taking a hard turn from a streaming boom golden age that saw studios shelling out unprecedented billions on content, particularly titles related to a familiar IP like Coyote vs. Acme. Some saw Warners bottom-line ruthlessness as less of a new way of mistreating talent than a return to how Hollywood used to be.

The idea that there was a little window there where a lot of people got to try a lot of stuff they wouldnt have gotten to try in normal circumstances, thats the anomaly, one top writer-producer said. The kind of red tooth and claw version of [conducting business], the nastiness I think thats the norm.

Still, its easy to imagine that if an in-demand creative has an all-things-being-equal choice of going with Warners or another studio in the future, that Zaslavs aggressive tax strategies could give real pause even with the reversal. Zaslav previously reversed an unpopular decision the gutting of TCM after an outcry from creatives including Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese and Paul Thomas Anderson.

Interestingly, the plot of Coyote vs. Acme follows the speechless, ever-determined Wile E. Coyote as he teams up with a lawyer (Forte) to fight the big ACME corporation. Just like in the cartoons, Coyote buys ACME devices to try and kill Road Runner, but they never work properly, and often abruptly explode. The third shelved Warners movie, in other words, is the story of an underdog taking on a heartless company whose executives dont realize there can be real consequences to making their products blow up in your face.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/coyote-vs-acme-wb-warners-canceled-reversal-shop-film-1235645372/

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Tyranthraxus
11/13/23 5:32:05 PM
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Fuck Zaslav anyway

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Doom_Art
11/13/23 5:32:37 PM
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Cool can we get Batgirl then?

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Tyranthraxus
11/13/23 5:33:31 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Cool can we get Batgirl then?
No books already closed on that one.

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NoxObscuras
11/13/23 5:35:16 PM
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Hell yeah! It was disappointing because all of the stuff being shared for Coyote vs ACME sounded amazing. Glad to see it has a chance of releasing now

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Smashingpmkns
11/13/23 5:35:40 PM
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Proof that bullying works. Should bully WB/Discovery more often

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Tyranthraxus
11/13/23 5:36:01 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
Hell yeah! It was disappointing because all of the stuff being shared for Coyote vs ACME sounded amazing. Glad to see it has a chance of releasing now

I feel like 99% chance Amazon picks this one up.

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TheLiarParadox
11/13/23 5:38:29 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Proof that bullying works. Should bully WB/Discovery more often
I would pay movie ticket prices to give Zaslav a swirlie tbh.

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Starks
11/13/23 5:38:44 PM
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Studios need to understand by now that if they're going to shelve something, it's not going to remain a secret and people will beg for a release.

If you've decided for us that we don't want to watch a finished product or put it on a different platform, you've also decided not to make any money or honor the work that went into the project.

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MatzoTov
11/13/23 5:43:45 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Proof that bullying works


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Dat_Cracka_Jax
11/13/23 5:44:17 PM
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Great marketing tbh

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Solar_Crimson
11/13/23 5:47:39 PM
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Good.

Also,

Tyranthraxus posted...
Fuck Zaslav anyway


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vycebrand2
11/13/23 6:05:19 PM
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TheLiarParadox posted...
I would pay movie ticket prices to give Zaslav a swirlie tbh.
^this

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Cheater87
11/13/23 6:07:59 PM
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Good.

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Irony
11/13/23 6:08:48 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Proof that bullying works. Should bully WB/Discovery more often
I prefer people bullied them into bankruptcy

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Punished_Blinx
11/13/23 6:09:33 PM
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Good.

I don't even care if it sucks. Looney Tunes deserves better.

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PeteyParker
11/13/23 6:09:40 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Fuck Zaslav anyway


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X8Azazel8X
11/13/23 6:10:31 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Fuck Zaslav anyway


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DrizztLink
11/13/23 6:11:25 PM
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This is one of those moments where you accept the apology gesture but ignore the apology and still spit in their face.

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Kim_Seong-a
11/13/23 6:12:19 PM
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Starks posted...
Studios need to understand by now that if they're going to shelve something, it's not going to remain a secret and people will beg for a release.

Can't wait for the newest studio trend of threatening tax write offs as a form of publicity >_>

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BlueTigerLion
11/13/23 6:33:06 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Proof that bullying works. Should bully WB/Discovery more often

Yep getting ahead of the bad movie narrative Batgirl got probably saved the film. Along with it starring major actors. Compared to the lesser known Batgirl actress so no one cared if her career got derailed.

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Starks
11/13/23 6:38:31 PM
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To cite Metalocalypse:

James Grishnack: Hello boys, hope I'm not interrupting anything.
Pickles: Mr. Grishnack, that movie cannot come out. It's crap!
Grishnack: Now don't be drastic, this happens all the time. We just happened to make another, what you call in this business, a real piece o' shit!
Murderface: So you're not going to release it...
Grishnack: Normally, a movie like this, I'd just, I'd just eat it and it would die, but since it's you, oh yeah, we're gonna put this out, and it's gonna make the money back. I don't care if it's gonna ruin your careers, I'm making my money back. It's Dethklok in a movie.
Nathan: That's our reputation you're messing with, Grishnack!
Grishnack: Alright, dildoes, listen up! I've been fucking over fathead celebrities since you were all shitting in diapers! Now, this movie, it's a 500 million dollar shit sandwich, and you're all gonna take a bite and you're gonna smile cause you love how it tastes! Got it? Now you go out there, your-your adoring public... I wrote all the reviews! Nobody knows what a good movie is anymore! Just shut up and smile! Remember: shit sandwich, tastes great! Now go!

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mario2000
11/13/23 6:40:42 PM
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Why DOES Wile E Coyote always buy from Acme when their shit never works and always blows up in his face?

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Starks
11/13/23 6:41:16 PM
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Excellent warranty and customer service.

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Turbam
11/13/23 6:44:26 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/5d2a3df4.jpg

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Alteres
11/13/23 6:53:00 PM
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mario2000 posted...
Why DOES Wile E Coyote always buy from Acme when their shit never works and always blows up in his face?
I always assumed they had an in-universe monopoly.

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AgentCoulson
11/13/23 6:54:08 PM
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Awesome! I was looking forward to this movie.

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Ivynn
11/13/23 7:02:51 PM
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boxoto posted...
in other words, is the story of an underdog taking on a heartless company whose executives dont realize there can be real consequences to making their products blow up in your face.

Oh that's beautiful

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Tyranthraxus
11/13/23 7:03:48 PM
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mario2000 posted...
Why DOES Wile E Coyote always buy from Acme when their shit never works and always blows up in his face?

It's part of the rules.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7f0affbc.jpg


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DrizztLink
11/13/23 7:05:01 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's part of the rules.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7f0affbc.jpg
Sounds like ACME has lobbyists.

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Umbreon
11/13/23 7:10:53 PM
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Hell Yeah! That being said..

Tyranthraxus posted...
Fuck Zaslav anyway



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apocalyptic_4
11/13/23 7:15:30 PM
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Good, that's a terrible practice to shelve something that's already filmed.

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Doom_Art
11/13/23 10:13:33 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's part of the rules.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7f0affbc.jpg
Rule 4 was broken in one sketch where it shoes the Coyote and Road Runner clocking in before chasing each other.

They say shit like "good morning" and "how's it going?" and "another day, huh?"

Never mind that was another sketch with a wolf and a sheep dog.

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Tyranthraxus
11/13/23 10:16:41 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Rule 4 was broken in one sketch where it shoes the Coyote and Road Runner clocking in before chasing each other.

They say shit like "good morning" and "how's it going?" and "another day, huh?"

Never mind that was another sketch with a wolf and a sheep dog.

Those were the rules created by chuck Jones. After he left, there wasn't anyone enforcing them as hard.

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aarrgus
11/13/23 10:17:47 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Proof that bullying works. Should bully WB/Discovery more often

Only when it's not a female led property.

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Kim_Seong-a
11/13/23 10:20:33 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Rule 4 was broken in one sketch where it shoes the Coyote and Road Runner clocking in before chasing each other.

They say shit like "good morning" and "how's it going?" and "another day, huh?"

Never mind that was another sketch with a wolf and a sheep dog.

I think, in the name of comedy, almost every rule in a formula is worth breaking at least once. ie. The skit where they're talking is memorable precisely because it almost never happens. >_>

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BakonBitz
11/13/23 10:24:10 PM
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Yeah, once writers and directors start cancelling meetings and not taking their calls out of a lack of trust, figures WB would change their minds.

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PiOverlord
11/13/23 10:26:00 PM
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This movie could suck and this is still a win for us.

Let us be the judges, please. Give us something to fill our empty, meaningless, depressing, soul-sucking, excruciating, miserable, good-for-nothing, awful, no-good, painful, dreadful, mundane, disappointing, tiring, mind-numbing, worthless, terrible lives with.

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ViewtifulGrave
11/13/23 10:33:32 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Rule 4 was broken in one sketch where it shoes the Coyote and Road Runner clocking in before chasing each other.

They say shit like "good morning" and "how's it going?" and "another day, huh?"

Never mind that was another sketch with a wolf and a sheep dog.
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Board_hunter567
11/14/23 10:09:39 AM
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BakonBitz posted...
Yeah, once writers and directors start cancelling meetings and not taking their calls out of a lack of trust, figures WB would change their minds.
Bingo.

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TonyKojima
11/14/23 10:16:02 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Cool can we get Batgirl then?
Nope it can never be released now since it was a tax write off. It essentially was never made and there is nothing to release.

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GrandConjuraton
11/14/23 10:29:50 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Fuck Zaslav anyway


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Smashingpmkns
11/14/23 11:12:35 AM
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Apparently a bunch of filmmakers are canceling meetings with WB over the initial cancelation of this film.

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CADE_FOSTER
11/14/23 11:14:29 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Fuck Zaslav anyway

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Ivynn
11/14/23 11:15:40 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Apparently a bunch of filmmakers are canceling meetings with WB over the initial cancelation of this film.

Zaslav rn

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Hornezz
11/14/23 11:18:15 AM
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#ReleaseTheCoyoteCut

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Zikten
11/14/23 11:27:18 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No books already closed on that one.
But does the film still exist? If they didn't destroy it, it may be possible someday, for someone to get their hands on it
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Tyranthraxus
11/14/23 11:55:32 AM
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Zikten posted...
But does the film still exist? If they didn't destroy it, it may be possible someday, for someone to get their hands on it

From what I understand the film hadn't completed post yet so it's "finished" in the sense that there's no more filming to be done but it would probably look pretty bad if you watched it.

Additionally one of the reasons it wasn't released is because it was apparently so bad it was going to cause brand damage. I feel like there's no way it could have been worse than Catwoman and the movie was probably going to be terrible but they should have released it anyway.

It's not known if Discovery kept the master recording. Nobody from the production team has it. They didn't know the movie was cancelled until they tried to log in to their computers to find out their access to everything was revoked and nobody thought to make an unauthorized backup.

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Zikten
11/14/23 12:24:06 PM
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I dont know how well I believe them about Batwoman being bad though. The person who canceled it is a MAGA person. So what he says is bad may not be what I think is bad
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