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royic
11/07/23 10:28:01 AM
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ZMythos posted...
Like who? Which Democrat running for president is polling better than Biden?

Nobody's running because it is actively discouraged by the party. That's the point

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emblem-man
11/07/23 10:31:54 AM
#53:


royic posted...
Nobody's running because it is actively discouraged by the party. That's the point


Not sure why so many want a primary that will essentially leave whoever wins, bloodied for the general.


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ZMythos
11/07/23 10:32:45 AM
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royic posted...
Nobody's running because it is actively discouraged by the party. That's the point
There are others running. You said polling shows anyone is better than Biden for the Democrats. Who specifically is polling better than Biden?

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Heineken14
11/07/23 10:35:42 AM
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royic posted...


Nobody's running because it is actively discouraged by the party. That's the point


Well yeah... because....

Heineken14 posted...
Anyone wanting to primary an incumbent president is a fucking imbecile.

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ZMythos
11/07/23 10:37:19 AM
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Heineken, stop doing his homework for him. Let him speak for himself.

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Heineken14
11/07/23 10:39:34 AM
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ZMythos posted...
Heineken, stop doing his homework for him. Let him speak for himself.


https://imgur.com/bwlH9Y0.jpeg

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royic
11/07/23 10:41:06 AM
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ZMythos posted...
There are others running. You said polling shows anyone is better than Biden for the Democrats. Who specifically is polling better than Biden?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1cdf4fde.jpg

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ZMythos
11/07/23 10:41:46 AM
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You don't engage a bad faith actor by making their arguments for them. You ask them clarifying questions that expose their inherit biases and/or contradictions and you don't allow them to move away from the topic.

Then they either quit when they know you're not playing their game or they show their ass.

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ZMythos
11/07/23 10:42:29 AM
#61:


royic posted...


ZMythos posted...
Who specifically is polling better than Biden?


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royic
11/07/23 10:45:21 AM
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Heineken14 posted...
https://imgur.com/bwlH9Y0.jpeg

What homework he's just saying "that's dumb" over and over again. like what do you bring to school the next day if the teacher shows you a picture of a monkey clapping cymbals together

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Gwynevere
11/07/23 10:45:43 AM
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Mine didn't get forgiven but my payments are currently $0 still, which I will take as a victory

What should be pushed everywhere, especially swing states, is the Biden administrations backing of unions. That shit should be on every airwave and billboard

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royic
11/07/23 10:47:26 AM
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I didnt make a claim that a specific democrat is polling better at this point. You just misunderstood the poll I'm referencing when it is literally an unnamed democrat. Hence, running an actual primary is likely to reveal someone who doesn't lose to trump by like 10 points in every swing state.

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ZMythos
11/07/23 10:48:08 AM
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royic posted...
just run a better candidate
These are your words. Provide a better candidate.

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royic
11/07/23 10:50:00 AM
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ZMythos posted...
These are your words. Provide a better candidate.

If someone at the party says "we should get better food" do you expect them to have the food in their pocket or for the party to go through a hundreds year old process invented to find better food

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ZMythos
11/07/23 10:51:32 AM
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royic posted...
If someone at the party says "we should get better food" do you expect them to have the food in their pocket or for the party to go through a hundreds year old process invented to find better food
I expect the person complaining to suggest better food.

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royic
11/07/23 10:55:03 AM
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ZMythos posted...
I expect the person complaining to suggest better food.

Ok guys I guess I personally will abduct someone mowing their lawn from a progressive neighborhood in a flyover state and put them on a podium. That's the candidate.

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Heineken14
11/07/23 10:56:49 AM
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royic posted...


Ok guys I guess I personally will abduct someone mowing their lawn from a progressive neighborhood in a flyover state and put them on a podium. That's the candidate.


royic posted...


What homework he's just saying "that's dumb" over and over again. like what do you bring to school the next day if the teacher shows you a picture of a monkey clapping cymbals together

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ZMythos
11/07/23 10:57:15 AM
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royic posted...
Ok guys I guess I personally will abduct someone mowing their lawn from a progressive neighborhood in a flyover state and put them on a podium. That's the candidate.
Okay, who?

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royic
11/07/23 10:58:47 AM
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ZMythos
11/07/23 10:59:15 AM
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royic posted...
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Who. Give us a name. Who will beat Joe Biden in a primary?

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divot1338
11/07/23 10:59:24 AM
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HornyLevel posted...
Looking at the actual breakdown in the link, it's still mostly people who are not regular people.

Nothing about PSLF changed. They just had some forbearance count. Same with those at 20/25, since all IDR is that length. They would all have been forgiven regardless.

Definitely helped people with disabilities though, I'll admit that.

Bragging about this seems like clickbait because it doesn't cover most people in the jam.
If your complqint is that forgiveness was not broad enough take it up with McConnell, McCarthy and whatever Republican represents you.

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royic
11/07/23 10:59:59 AM
#74:


ZMythos posted...
Okay, who?

I am not advocating for a specific candidate I am advocating for a good faith primary not matter how many strawmen you build this will not change

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ZMythos
11/07/23 11:01:08 AM
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It's not a strawman when you continuously say "any unnamed democrat can beat Joe Biden" and then backpedal when someone says "Who?"

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divot1338
11/07/23 11:02:12 AM
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Yeah why would you want to run the guy whos accomplished more than any modern president?

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royic
11/07/23 11:02:31 AM
#77:


ZMythos posted...
It's not a strawman when you continuously say "any unnamed democrat can beat Joe Biden" and then backpedal when someone says "Who?"

Ok forward your question to the people who answered that on the poll then? Go ask them which unnamed democrat they were thinking of.

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ZMythos
11/07/23 11:04:05 AM
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Why would I? I'm asking you.

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royic
11/07/23 11:10:51 AM
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ZMythos posted...
Why would I? I'm asking you.

It not a question my argument relies on. Once again, the person saying "a poll suggests this thing exists so we should find it" is not someone who is saying "I already found the thing"

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ZMythos
11/07/23 11:14:45 AM
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That sure is a lot of words to dodge a question.

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royic
11/07/23 11:14:54 AM
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Are you under the impression that anything has ever been accomplished on CE. I mean I'm making a fairly basic suggestion based off a NYT poll and the only responses have been willfully misinterpreting the point and shouting that it's dumb.

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Tyranthraxus
11/07/23 11:47:50 AM
#83:


royic posted...
I am not advocating for a specific candidate I am advocating for a good faith primary not matter how many strawmen you build this will not change
You've spent like 50 posts saying the primary process was party run rigged bullshit and you want more of it?

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royic
11/07/23 12:36:17 PM
#84:


Tyranthraxus posted...
You've spent like 50 posts saying the primary process was party run rigged bullshit and you want more of it?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1cd63feb.jpg

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Tyranthraxus
11/07/23 12:39:03 PM
#85:


royic posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1cd63feb.jpg

Psst, the way to improve society is not an all or nothing thing.

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1337toothbrush
11/07/23 12:45:24 PM
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Reminder that the student loan debt problem is $1.77 trillion. While these steps are nice, they're tiny, and a lot of it is pushing along a forgiveness process that already exists and another big chunk is covering for scam schools that were allowed to run for the longest time. You're not going to solve these problems through bits and pieces, especially since people are still having to take out massive loans and it's only getting worse:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/670d069a.jpg

Even with enrollment down significantly, tuition is higher: https://www.penncapital-star.com/education/u-s-college-enrollments-are-down-but-revenue-is-up-what-happened-wednesday-morning-coffee/

Another reminder, and this is key, is that Biden is a key reason why we're in the mess in the first place:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/02/joe-biden-student-loan-debt-2005-act-2020
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-student-loans/
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-made-it-harder-to-discharge-student-debt-through-bankruptcy-2022-5

So don't be shocked if I don't find this impressive at all. I await the "at least he's not a republican" response.

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Gwynevere
11/07/23 12:54:15 PM
#87:


1337toothbrush posted...
You're not going to solve these problems through bits and pieces
And the large sweeping changes we need aren't going to happen with a bunch of conservative fuckstains holding up Congress

This is at least the best faith effort I've seen to tackle the problem so far in my lifetime

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royic
11/07/23 12:54:29 PM
#88:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Psst, the way to improve society is not an all or nothing thing.

Ok?

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emblem-man
11/07/23 1:01:44 PM
#89:


1337toothbrush posted...
You're not going to solve these problems through bits and pieces,

Counterpoint: you will because that's how most problems are solved.

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Heineken14
11/07/23 1:03:26 PM
#90:


1337toothbrush posted...
So don't be shocked if I don't find this impressive at all.


Not a single person ever thought you would be impressed by anything positive taking place.

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1337toothbrush
11/07/23 1:05:53 PM
#91:


Gwynevere posted...
And the large sweeping changes we need aren't going to happen with a bunch of conservative fuckstains holding up Congress

This is at least the best faith effort I've seen to tackle the problem so far in my lifetime
But the problem was created in your lifetime, in great part by Biden himself. Saying it's the "best faith effort" is a very low bar to clear considering how little to nothing has been done in this regard, even now. It's as disingenuous as calling Biden the most progressive modern president when the only candidates nominated have been neoliberal and neoconservative, including Biden.

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Sandalorn
11/07/23 1:08:18 PM
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royic posted...
Hence, running an actual primary is likely to reveal someone who doesn't lose to trump by like 10 points in every swing state.


No, it won't but you're a closed circle at this point so talking to a wall would be more productive. We have 100 years for our reasoning...you only have your pettiness and still fucking pining for Bernie of all things.

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royic
11/07/23 1:11:53 PM
#93:


Sandalorn posted...
No, it won't but you're a closed circle at this point so talking to a wall would be more productive. We have 100 years for our reasoning...you only have your pettiness and still fucking pining for Bernie of all things.

I haven't mentioned Bernie at all lmao. Nobody has given any reasoning at all at this point.

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LightHawKnight
11/07/23 1:14:50 PM
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So there is a troll that thinks not going with an incumbent president is a smart idea?

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Forty_Niners
11/07/23 1:17:44 PM
#95:


royic posted...
According to the polling literally anyone
What polling has another dem higher?

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Sonixs
11/07/23 1:23:46 PM
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If only republicans hadn't sued to stop the $20000.

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royic
11/07/23 2:27:30 PM
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Forty_Niners posted...
What polling has another dem higher?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/85cbccdb.jpg

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emblem-man
11/07/23 2:29:29 PM
#98:


royic posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/85cbccdb.jpg

Unnamed generic democrat, with no indication of actual policy differences

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royic
11/07/23 2:30:17 PM
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Yup. People don't like him.

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Tyranthraxus
11/07/23 2:30:28 PM
#100:


emblem-man posted...
Unnamed generic democrat, with no indication of actual policy differences
Basically "imagine the perfect candidate. Would you vote for them over Biden?"

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