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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 2:59:29 AM
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is that everyone goes to heaven.

Even Christians are uncomfortable with this, even even though its true.

John 3:16 confirms it.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

note that it doesnt say you must believe in Jesus for your entire life, nor does it say that you have to believe in him during your lifetime.

It also doesnt say that you have to live your life a certain way in order to gain eternal life.

Only that you believe in Jesus.

Christians dont even want to accept this despite the fact that its literally written in the Bible.

I believe that even atheists are allowed to be in heaven once they die, and see Jesus, because they start believing in him once he has revealed himself to them.

The only way it wouldnt work is if you continue to not believe, even if he was right in front of your face.
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Zikten
10/21/23 3:03:08 AM
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I've heard there is a theory or whatever caled Universal Salvation. According to that, everyone, even Satan, will eventually get into heaven and be forgiven
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TyVulpine
10/21/23 3:09:04 AM
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If only there was actual proof that Christianity, out of 4,000+ religions, is the "right" religion.....

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 3:09:21 AM
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Zikten posted...
I've heard there is a theory or whatever caled Universal Salvation. According to that, everyone, even Satan, will eventually get into heaven and be forgiven

Its not even a theory.

John 3:16 is objectively factual.

You cannot argue with it.
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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 3:13:13 AM
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TyVulpine posted...
If only there was actual proof that Christianity, out of 4,000+ religions, is the "right" religion.....

Thats not the discussion of this topic.

We are establishing the values of Christianity.

The reason we are doing this is because people cant seem to agree on what those values are.

The book is very clear about it, however.
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Lorenzo_2003
10/21/23 3:53:20 AM
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Yes, Ive engaged in this controversy with some Christians before.

Tbh, it did not really faze them for too long because they did view a lack of belief in a divine Jesus as being a huge sin, almost unbelievable really. It just doesnt compute for a lot of them because their belief is kind of a given fact such as needing air to breathe or food and water to survive.

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CreekCo
10/21/23 3:54:24 AM
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It does not say that. You just want to hear what you want to hear. It would be nice but it dont wolf that way. Everyone who hears has the opportunity is the actual take away. Some people dont want that.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:00:53 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
Yes, Ive engaged in this controversy with some Christians before.

Tbh, it did not really faze them for too long because they did view a lack of belief in a divine Jesus as being a huge sin, almost unbelievable really. It just doesnt compute for a lot of them because their belief is kind of a given fact such as needing air to breathe or food and water to survive.

I actually dont have a clue what youre trying to say with this post.

Its a bunch of words that seem like they dont describe anything.

CreekCo posted...
It does not say that.

it doesnt say what?

I quoted the verse verbatim.

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Strider102
10/21/23 4:02:10 AM
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Heaven sounds boring

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Rob_Cesternino
10/21/23 4:04:39 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
is that everyone goes to heaven.

Then explain Luke 16:19-31:

19 There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich mans table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abrahams side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.
25 But Abraham replied, Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.
27 He answered, Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.
29 Abraham replied, They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.
30 No, father Abraham, he said, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.
31 He said to him, If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:11:46 AM
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@rob_cesternino

notice how the rich man never asked to be in heaven.

He only asked for Lazarus to cool his tongue.

in the same way that God wont keep you out of heaven, he wont force you to be there either.
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Strider102
10/21/23 4:13:14 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
@rob_cesternino

notice how the rich man never asked to be in heaven.

He only asked for Lazarus to cool his tongue.

in the same way that God wont keep you out of heaven, he wont force you to be there either.

"And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us."

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Rob_Cesternino
10/21/23 4:14:54 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
@rob_cesternino

notice how the rich man never asked to be in heaven.

He only asked for Lazarus to cool his tongue.

in the same way that God wont keep you out of heaven, he wont force you to be there either.

Even if going to Hades was his choice or a result of him not asking to be in Heaven, this still contradicts your statement that "everyone goes to heaven".

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:15:23 AM
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Strider102 posted...
"And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us."

The rich man is not able to do that himself.

God has no limitations.

If the rich man asked God to put him in heaven, it would happen.
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variasuite
10/21/23 4:15:38 AM
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Grats, TC. You've discovered Lutheranism.

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itachi15243
10/21/23 4:19:33 AM
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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:19:35 AM
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variasuite posted...
Grats, TC. You've discovered Lutheranism.

I havent discovered anything.

This has been the truth since the beginning.
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variasuite
10/21/23 4:20:47 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
I havent discovered anything.

This has been the truth since the beginning.
Grab your Bible and read James 2:14-26.

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Chicken
10/21/23 4:21:14 AM
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I dunno if I wanna go to heaven if all the evil assholes ever to exist are up there

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variasuite
10/21/23 4:22:44 AM
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"You believe in Jesus and think that alone saves you? Cool, the demons think that too. " is some serious mic drop shit for being in the Bible too.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:25:50 AM
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variasuite posted...
Grab your Bible and read James 2:14-26.

I just did.

Now what?
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variasuite
10/21/23 4:26:23 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
I just did.

Now what?
Learn to read?

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:27:28 AM
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variasuite posted...
Learn to read?

I read it and understood it fully.

Do you have a point to make?
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variasuite
10/21/23 4:28:10 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/5/AAWhExAAE9Sf.png

This is kinda important, right?

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:30:00 AM
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variasuite posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/1/5/AAWhExAAE9Sf.png

This is kinda important, right?

Faith, without works, is not faith at all.

People who believe in God, bring glory to him on a daily basis.
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variasuite
10/21/23 4:33:21 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
Faith, without works, is not faith at all.

People who believe in God, bring glory to him on a daily basis.
And if they don't? They keep it to themselves and rarely think about it? Don't act on anything at all? They should be covered under the John 3:16 policy, right? But James 2:14-26 argues against that.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:34:48 AM
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variasuite posted...
And if they don't? They keep it to themselves and rarely think about it? Don't act on anything at all? They should be covered under the John 3:16 policy, right?

no, because you dont actually believe if youre not acting.

John 3:16 says you have to believe.

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DnDer
10/21/23 4:40:36 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
People who believe in God, bring glory to him on a daily basis.

I know a lot of people who claim to believe in God and do nothing to bring glory to him, and, in fact, do very much the opposite.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:41:39 AM
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DnDer posted...
I know a lot of people who claim to believe in God and do nothing to bring glory to him, and, in fact, do very much the opposite.

OK.

You know a lot of people who dont believe.
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DnDer
10/21/23 4:42:09 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
OK.

You know a lot of people who dont believe.

So, what happens to them? Still heaven?


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variasuite
10/21/23 4:42:10 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
no, because you dont actually believe if youre not acting.

John 3:16 says you have to believe.
If you believe that Jesus saved you on the cross and then spend your entire life in the house playing videogames you're still saved by John 3:16. You accepted and believe in Jesus. You didn't do any good works.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:44:29 AM
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DnDer posted...
So, what happens to them? Still heaven?

depends if they believe or not in the future
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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:45:03 AM
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variasuite posted...
If you believe that Jesus saved you on the cross and then spend your entire life in the house playing videogames you're still saved by John 3:16. You accepted and believe in Jesus. You didn't do any good works.

only God can decide whether youve done good works or not
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variasuite
10/21/23 4:48:36 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
only God can decide whether youve done good works or not
Well, if he exists, hopefully, he's as understanding as you are. I'm non-religious, but believe Jesus was a real dude and he's quite a cool fellow.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:49:18 AM
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variasuite posted...
Well, if he exists, hopefully, he's as understanding as you are. I'm non-religious, but believe Jesus was a real dude and he's quite a cool fellow.

why would you assume that I would be on par with an omnipotent eternally good being?

Compared to God Im the worst of the worst.
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variasuite
10/21/23 4:51:02 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
why would you assume that I would be on par with an omnipotent eternally good being?

Compared to God Im the worst of the worst.
I meant as understanding as you think he is.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 4:52:45 AM
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Again, his level of understanding is the closest thing you could possibly get to absolute perfection.

Hes not tempted by anything.

Theres no ego.

Only truth and love.
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10/21/23 7:01:57 AM
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TyVulpine
10/21/23 7:47:42 AM
#38:


NittanyLions23 posted...
Thats not the discussion of this topic.

We are establishing the values of Christianity.

The reason we are doing this is because people cant seem to agree on what those values are.

The book is very clear about it, however.
And the values are? We are the right religion so you must follow them or else!?

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 7:49:43 AM
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TyVulpine posted...
And the values are?

Would you like to provide something to the discussion?

You can scroll up and respond to something that was already said, if youd like.

We are the right religion so you must follow them or else!?

Who are you quoting here?

You used quotation marks.

Those are for quotes.

Quotes are defined vaguely as words that someone said.

Who said those words that you included in quotations?

Please, enlighten me.
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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 7:53:52 AM
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Can someone please point out this person?

Point them out to me.
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boxoto
10/21/23 8:53:59 AM
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*you die, go to Heaven, and about a thousand years later you're like* "hey, I think this Jesus guy is legit!"

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Tanthalas
10/21/23 9:05:16 AM
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Yeah, I'm sure that if God exists he'll be very open to people trying to lawyer their way into heaven by quoting the bible.

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lilORANG
10/21/23 9:11:06 AM
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I (an atheist) like to show my Christian wife that verse that says if one spouse believes, the other gets a free ticket to heaven. Really calmed her mind.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 9:18:55 AM
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Tanthalas posted...
Yeah, I'm sure that if God exists he'll be very open to people trying to lawyer their way into heaven by quoting the bible.

do you think John 3:16 is unclear?

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hockeybub89
10/21/23 9:20:29 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
Its not even a theory.

John 3:16 is objectively factual.

You cannot argue with it.
Sure I can. God doesn't exist. Heaven doesn't exist. The chances of Christianity being the correct religion are near zero.

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Tanthalas
10/21/23 9:22:26 AM
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NittanyLions23 posted...
do you think John 3:16 is unclear?

@Tanthalas
Like I said, I'm sure that if God exists he'll be very open to people trying to lawyer their way into heaven by quoting the bible.

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NittanyLions23
10/21/23 9:23:44 AM
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Tanthalas posted...
Like I said, I'm sure that if God exists he'll be very open to people trying to lawyer their way into heaven by quoting the bible.

im just curious if you think its up for interpretation.

Is something confusing you about eternal life?
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hockeybub89
10/21/23 9:27:21 AM
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Congrats, TC. Even I was able to believe in God, I'd never want to if your shocking revelation was correct, and all evil people get to go to Heaven as long as they believe. It kind of makes our world and the concept of being a good person irrelevant

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