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if i built a simulation of a whole universe i wouldnt turn it off when its civilization was about to start a nuclear war, thatd be the most exciting part

MegaCamerupt posted...

if i built a simulation of a whole universe i wouldnt turn it off when its civilization was about to start a nuclear war, thatd be the most exciting part

Yep. lol. It's messed up but why else would you make the simulation? It's all about the chaos that ensues.

Skankhair posted...

The Jewish war god? That one who destroyed the world before and says hell do it again?

When did he do that? The way I remember it, after the waters receded, he made a new covenant with Moses, where he promised to never flood the earth again.

Obviously a bunch of euphoric fedora tipping angsthiests ITT. /s

mustachedmystic posted...

When did he do that? The way I remember it, after the waters receded, he made a new covenant with Moses, where he promised to never flood the earth again.

"I won't flood the world again. I never said anything about not destroying it with fire...."

TyVulpine posted...

"I won't flood the world again. I never said anything about not destroying it with fire...."

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mustachedmystic posted...

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The irony

You can't have freedom if you have divine intervention all the time. God intervenes in subtle ways where we all still have a choice.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

You can't have freedom if you have divine intervention all the time. God intervenes in subtle ways where we all still have a choice.

Do you have freedom if you're shot dead in a school shooting? Or dead of childhood cancer? People are constantly hurt by things beyond their control and God would be like "lol I can't stop all the bad"

No you cant hav eww freedom of hour dead. Doesnt change the fact that God intervening in peoples lives goes against the concept of free will.

God doesn't do anything. We are alone in face of all of the death and suffering. However, we are also the ones that have made all of the good things, we create our happiness, our joys, etc. We create all of the good things that we have today - technology, medicine, etc. There isn't a god that helps us do this.

God is either dead or doesn't care or never existed.

hockeybub89 posted...

Do you have freedom if you're shot dead in a school shooting? Or dead of childhood cancer? People are constantly hurt by things beyond their control and God would be like "lol I can't stop all the bad"

If you could control everything, you'd be a god. Someone is still making the choice to shoot you.

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Is that what I said? I don't believe that's what I said.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

You can't have freedom if you have divine intervention all the time.

Not only this, but you also wouldn't want a god who was the exact opposite, which meant anytime you said (or thought) anything against him you would immediately be struck down.

Most of faith is also being thankful that the current setup is willing to forgive, even if you sometimes think he is doing absolutely nothing. The alternative is that you couldn't even glare at a woman's backside without being struck down for the sin you might be thinking.

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God is an infinite being. We cannot be infinite beings. Take that as what you will.

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lmao

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I'm not purposely being vague. Your question is vague on it's own.

Are we talking in a real or in a ficticous sense first? My answer will depend on that.

Have you read the Bible?
Basically it is God tells people to follow his rules, they do and are happy. Then they stop following his rules, get punished and regrets what they did. Repeat.

Some times he punishes them for generations.
Some times he takes them back to Israel, and promise that it will forever be their land.
...again... just like what he promised their ancestors a few times before.

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If I wrote a story about an omnipotent, it could be a god or it couldn't be a god.

"Gods" in the sense of myths and other tales don't exist in real life. The only "God" is an omnipotent God who knows everything across all possible universes. I believe that most relgious texts are flawed interpretations of divine intervention they could not possible understand as human beings are flawed. But among all of them is an element of truth no one could ever know for sure. God could be a man in the sky, could be a singularity, could be all of us. The concept of God is real but our interpretation will never reveal the true nature of it.

it would be funny if that god let things get to that point

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That is not what I said. Re-read my post and you will have my answer. I'm not arguing in a circle.

Roachmeat posted...

Not only this, but you also wouldn't want a god who was the exact opposite, which meant anytime you said (or thought) anything against him you would immediately be struck down.

Most of faith is also being thankful that the current setup is willing to forgive, even if you sometimes think he is doing absolutely nothing. The alternative is that you couldn't even glare at a woman's backside without being struck down for the sin you might be thinking.

If we are talking about the Christian God, the idea of "freedom" is a joke, and a piss poor excuse to explain away the Christian God's design which intentionally has suffering, cruelty, autrocities and more.

There wouldn't need to be "divine intervention" in the first place if this so called God created the world without these awful things.

As for wanting a wrathful God or not, the Christian God is already wrathful and petty.

Either the Christian God doesn't actually exist, or the Christian God intentionally created a world with problems and doesn't give a shit about the problems this God designed to be a problem.

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God is most likely not a god in the classical sense. So if we are talking about the classical sense, it doesn't need to be omnipotent. God itself happens be omnipotent, but that is because of its infinite nature. Omnipotence is not a requirement.

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Zeus didn't have omnipotence. Does that answer your question?

I'm not trying to be snarky. I'm trying to explain to you that these topics can be interpreted in multiple ways.

Anyway, the "Christian" God is another flawed interpretation of what God truly is. I personally believe it's the closest to true, but I believe that it's still only 1% true.

I'm sorry, did we have a nuclear war I didn't hear about or did God stop it?

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From the Bible, there are many descriptions of the Christian God. A lot of evidence of omnipotence is shown. But I'm not basing my interpretation of God based solely on the Bible.

These events were foretold in the Bible we will all know the truth when the time comes.

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A god? Could be either or. There is only one "God", but it is also infinite. It is beyond our understanding, and it is omnipotent.

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I don't think you can attribute a number to God. It's "one" in the sense it is the only truth. But the truth extrapolates to infinite of what it is.

Us humans cannot understand it. Our brains are not built to understand such abstract concepts.

SayHeyyShohei posted...

Us humans cannot understand it. Our brains are not built to understand such abstract concepts.

There are all kinds of abstract concepts that we can understand. Maybe God is weird and strange, but that doesn't mean we cannot understand it. Once we figure out the science behind god (if god does exist), then we can understand it.

Pikachuchupika posted...

There are all kinds of abstract concepts that we can understand. Maybe God is weird and strange, but that doesn't mean we cannot understand it. Once we figure out the science behind god (if god does exist), then we can understand it.

I don't think science can ever prove God because God is above the universe, and we would have to travel faster than the speed of light to be able to understand anything beyond that. We are dealing with finite constants and atoms.

We can certainly get close, I'll give you that. Assuming we even advance that far.

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The Bible is filled with a shit ton of contradictions

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"I don't think" should have told you off the bat that this was my personal interpretation. I am not saying if it is definitively true or not. I am no better than you.

Asking me to "source" this implies you are trying to argue with me about something neither of us can be right about.

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It doesn't suggest anything that he isn't. There are plenty of examples of events happening that would require a power an omnipotent god would have.