Current Events > California Gov vetoes bill to make free condoms available for HS students

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Simon_Gruber
10/09/23 5:08:40 PM
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California Gov. Gavin Newsom rejected a bill on Sunday that would have made free condoms available to all public high school students, arguing it was too expensive for a state with a budget deficit of more than $30 billion.
Legislative staff estimated it would have cost in the low millions of dollars each year. California had about 1.9 million high school students enrolled in more than 4,000 schools last year, according to the California Department of Education.
This bill would create an unfunded mandate to public schools that should be considered in the annual budget process, Newsom wrote in a message explaining why he vetoed the bill, known as Senate bill 541.
The bill is one of hundreds passed by Californias Democratic-dominated state Legislature before lawmakers adjourned last month. Newsom has been signing and vetoing legislation since then, including rejecting bills on Saturday to ban caste-based discrimination, limit the price of insulin and decriminalize possession and use of some hallucinogens.
The bill would have required all public schools that have grades nine through 12 to make condoms available for free to all students. It would have required public schools with grades seven through 12 to allow condoms to be made available as part of educational or public health programs.
And it would have made it illegal for retailers to refuse to sell condoms to youth.
State Sen. Caroline Menjivar, a Democrat from Los Angeles and the author of the bill, had argued the bill would have helped youth who decide to become sexually active to protect themselves and their partners from (sexually transmitted infections), while also removing barriers that potentially shame them and lead to unsafe sex.
Newsom said programs increasing access to condoms are important to supporting improved adolescent sexual health. But he said this bill was one of several measures lawmakers passed this year that, when added together, would add $19 billion in costs to the state budget.
With our state facing continuing economic risk and revenue uncertainty, it is important to remain disciplined when considering bills with significant fiscal implications, such as this measure, Newsom said.

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-free-condoms-bill-high-school-students-veto/45486499

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LSGW_Zephyra
10/09/23 5:11:04 PM
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He did it because it would be too expensive? I doubt this would have costed 19 Billion by itself and would likely have saved money from unwanted pregnancies and STDs.

I'm not sure if this governor knows how to govern

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texanfan27
10/09/23 5:13:26 PM
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I thought california normally had a surplus. Still this might been nice to lower teen pregnancies.

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Enclave
10/09/23 5:13:52 PM
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He has his eye on the Presidency and doesn't want to fuel "negative" ads for when he runs.

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archizzy
10/09/23 5:15:10 PM
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I know the bill is the headline but as someone who lives outside of California and doesnt pay attention to the intricacies of their government finances and what not, holy shit at 30 billion dollar budget deficit.


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Tyranthraxus
10/09/23 5:15:14 PM
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LSGW_Zephyra posted...
He did it because it would be too expensive? I doubt this would have costed 19 Billion by itself and would likely have saved money from unwanted pregnancies and STDs.

I'm not sure if this governor knows how to govern

Sounds like he did it because it wasn't funded. It was like "you have to stock condoms now. You figure out how to get them." Not because of the expense.

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AzNDarkSamurai
10/09/23 5:16:47 PM
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yes to more teen parents who will struggle financially to support a baby!

Newsom is a little shit I swear

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Alteres
10/09/23 5:34:47 PM
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They said the cost of the program would be in the low millions for the entire state, and that the schools would need to accord in their yearly budgets.

So, say it was $4 million (low millions), and the article said 4,000 schools.

That means $1,000 a year per school... wow.

I wonder what these costs are he is quoting for the $19 billion, and how much of it would actually be cash outflow.

Besides that, people here are always going on about how california has so much money, their property taxes alone are killer. I know they and new york were pissed when deductions on federal taxes for state withholdings were nerfed hard.

Why are they so far in the hole and using it as an excuse now?

p.p.s. wtf at vetoing hallucinogens, goddamnit newsom

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Questionmarktarius
10/09/23 5:35:18 PM
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Enclave posted...
He has his eye on the Presidency and doesn't want to fuel "negative" ads for when he runs.
there we go.
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VFalcone
10/09/23 5:36:03 PM
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This dude is on a roll just vetoing everything good
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divot1338
10/09/23 5:37:34 PM
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He is correct. The legislature can take it up since regular funding is required.

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MICHALECOLE
10/09/23 5:40:40 PM
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divot1338 posted...
He is correct. The legislature can take it up since regular funding is required.

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ClayGuida
10/09/23 5:41:11 PM
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texanfan27 posted...
I thought california normally had a surplus. Still this might been nice to lower teen pregnancies.
They used that money for other functions. They should have tried this (maybe they did), when they had a massive surplus a couple years ago. But that money was spent in other areas, like stimulus checks for Californians.

Anyway, this is a great idea and it'd be nice if they could set a standard for the country.

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rideshort
10/09/23 5:42:20 PM
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How good is sex education in California?

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Trumble
10/09/23 5:43:08 PM
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Simon_Gruber posted...
And it would have made it illegal for retailers to refuse to sell condoms to youth.
Okay, so if cost is the issue for providing condoms for free, surely they can still push this part through.

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Tyranthraxus
10/09/23 5:43:09 PM
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VFalcone posted...
This dude is on a roll just vetoing everything good
His explanation for doing it is right there. He didn't say "no condoms" he just said "put it in the budget when you're funding public schools"

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Tyranthraxus
10/09/23 5:43:42 PM
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Trumble posted...
Okay, so if cost is the issue for providing condoms for free, surely they can still push this part through.

He probably doesn't have that kind of veto power. Would need a bill sent to him that only does this.

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Guide
10/09/23 5:43:46 PM
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Do they not load hospitals with free condoms?

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Kaldrenthebold
10/09/23 5:43:48 PM
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Enclave posted...
He has his eye on the Presidency and doesn't want to fuel "negative" ads for when he runs.


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Tyranthraxus
10/09/23 5:44:24 PM
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Guide posted...
Do they not load hospitals with free condoms?
Hospitals and Planned Parenthood both give out free condoms.

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CruelBuffalo
10/09/23 5:44:39 PM
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Kids can literally go to any planned parenthood and get them for free. Why would high schools need to be the centers for condoms
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MICHALECOLE
10/09/23 5:47:17 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
His explanation for doing it is right there. He didn't say "no condoms" he just said "put it in the budget when you're funding public schools"
He has given legitimate explanations for every one of the vetoes. People just dont like reading
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DrizztLink
10/09/23 5:48:29 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Kids can literally go to any planned parenthood and get them for free. Why would high schools need to be the centers for condoms
Ease of access, and presumably they won't have to cross a picket line of MAGAts to get them.

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A_Good_Boy
10/09/23 5:50:15 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Kids can literally go to any planned parenthood and get them for free. Why would high schools need to be the centers for condoms
Because that's where they're meeting each other. But every school I've been to had a health office that had condoms just sitting there free for the taking by anyone that wanted them so I'm not sure what this bill was even supposed to accomplish in the first place.

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Questionmarktarius
10/09/23 5:52:16 PM
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I don't think anything is preventing any given school from handing out condoms. At least not in California.
This is just (eventually, maybe) punting funding for the condoms from the districts to the state, after rejecting a mandate for the schools to do so.
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thronedfire2
10/09/23 5:56:28 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
He has given legitimate explanations for every one of the vetoes. People just dont like reading

people only reading the headlines is just reality now though

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Ruvan22
10/09/23 6:42:31 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Kids can literally go to any planned parenthood and get them for free. Why would high schools need to be the centers for condoms

How many planned parenthoods are there in CA compared to high schools?
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Thud
10/09/23 7:20:28 PM
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Ban teen pregnancy

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Inohira
10/09/23 7:30:16 PM
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Newsom is far too focused on his political ambitions to be trusted at this point.

I'm unironically more hyped for Harris 2028 at this point.

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pnut027
10/09/23 7:36:27 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Kids can literally go to any planned parenthood and get them for free. Why would high schools need to be the centers for condoms
Presumably because kids have considerably easier access to the school they go to without raising eyebrows?

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VGAddict90
10/09/23 7:45:40 PM
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Is Newsom a DINO?
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BewmHedshot
10/09/23 8:11:10 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Hospitals and Planned Parenthood both give out free condoms.
How much time does the average high schooler spend in a hospital or PP?
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kingdrake2
10/09/23 8:12:53 PM
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VGAddict90 posted...
Is Newsom a DINO?


maybe. he has been doing some terrible decisions lately.

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mybbqrules
10/09/23 8:29:57 PM
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Doesn't Planned Parenthood pass out condoms?

I know they'll test for STD's.


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DragonClaw01
10/09/23 8:45:36 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
How much time does the average high schooler spend in a hospital or PP?
You can also get them at the 99 cents store for practically nothing as well. Although, getting your girlfriend on the pill is the end goal. Who wants to fuck with a balloon over ones cock if you can help it?

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Questionmarktarius
10/09/23 8:47:06 PM
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DragonClaw01 posted...
Although, getting your girlfriend on the pill is the end goal.
or, you know, a simple snip-snip.
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A_Good_Boy
10/09/23 8:47:51 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
or, you know, a simple snip-snip.
In high school?

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Questionmarktarius
10/09/23 8:50:12 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
In high school?
alright, a clip-clip.
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hockeybub89
10/09/23 8:51:30 PM
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Newsom will never love you little fanboys

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DragonClaw01
10/09/23 8:52:34 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
or, you know, a simple snip-snip.
Woman like when you come inside of them anyways. Releases some endorphins or something. Plus they have less issues with thier period on the pill. Also, if you ever want kids some day it is often hard to reverse a vasectomy. I am not much of a fan of the procedure.

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Inohira
10/09/23 9:01:04 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...


This is why everyone makes fun of you guys

Stop defending trash.

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Ruvan22
10/09/23 10:24:11 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
alright, a clip-clip.

So you are advocating for vasectomies for minors?
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Tyranthraxus
10/09/23 11:07:53 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
How much time does the average high schooler spend in a hospital or PP?

Much more than is needed to get free condoms and leave.

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GrandConjuraton
10/09/23 11:24:01 PM
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VFalcone posted...
This dude is on a roll just vetoing everything good


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Kai_Laguna
10/09/23 11:36:47 PM
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texanfan27 posted...
I thought california normally had a surplus. Still this might been nice to lower teen pregnancies.
Much of our surplus is from tech sector taxes and currently the tech sector is in the shitter. So now we have a huge deficit.
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DKBananaSlamma
10/09/23 11:38:55 PM
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He Michael Jordon'd the fuck out of those kids lol

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Questionmarktarius
10/09/23 11:55:40 PM
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DKBananaSlamma posted...
He Michael Jordon'd the fuck out of those kids lol
No, the kids are doing that to other kids, which is why free condoms was even suggested.
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