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jumi 10/10/23 1:00:24 AM #151:	Dark_Arbron posted... So we can revert to my previous point then. The camera has to be remotely disabled and a report of the request filed. Bathroom privacy, fine. What I said is just my opinion. Regardless of what I think, privacy can be accounted for. There are probably other scenarios where having the cameras off is justified too. But the ability to turn them off at will without even being asked why is a problem, I think we'll agree. Electronic guns. Body cam off = gun doesn't function --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:976573714] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>So we can revert to my previous point then. The camera has to be remotely disabled and a report of the request filed. Bathroom privacy, fine. What I said is just my opinion. Regardless of what I think, privacy can be accounted for. There are probably other scenarios where having the cameras off is justified too. But the ability to turn them off at will without even being asked why is a problem, I think we'll agree.</quote>Electronic guns.Body cam off = gun doesn't function </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DerWillZurMacht 10/10/23 1:45:46 AM #152:	Another normal day in a Banana Republic. <cite>DerWillZurMacht posted [p:976574087] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Another normal day in a Banana Republic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 1:50:02 AM #153:	DerWillZurMacht posted... Another normal day in a Banana Republic. The State of Alabanana? --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976574108] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>DerWillZurMacht posted... </cite><quote>Another normal day in a Banana Republic.</quote>The State of Alabanana? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 10/10/23 2:12:03 AM #154:	electricbugs2 posted... As much as it sucks having your car towed, it doesnt make the dude who towed it a thief, and it certainly doesnt mean you pull a gun on him. Good fucking lord. If there is no legitimate reason to be towing it, it does indeed make him a thief, and defending your property from thieves is a valid course of action. --- You can't spell Trumble without several letters of the English alphabet. <cite>Trumble posted [p:976574258] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>electricbugs2 posted... </cite><quote>As much as it sucks having your car towed, it doesnt make the dude who towed it a thief, and it certainly doesnt mean you pull a gun on him. Good fucking lord.</quote>If there is no legitimate reason to be towing it, it does indeed make him a thief, and defending your property from thieves is a valid course of action. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 10/10/23 5:08:16 AM #155:	pnut027 posted... Are you asking if showing someone that you intend to shoot them, deserving of being killed yourself? So there are bullet holes in the tow truck to prove that intent? Or did he just pull a gun and, in contrary to such clear visual declaration of intent to shoot, fire not a single shot between the time he pulled it and the cops arrived and everybody is just assuming intent to justify unidentified cops not giving him a chance to respond to an order and just shooting on sight? Seems like a whole lot of the latter in the thread. Matched with some good old "He should have just done these things that he may not have had the money to do." Would say I'm surprised but trying to excuse such things and give the benefit of the doubt to supposed professionals while expecting perfection out of civilians is the favorite past time of some people. Not attributing that to you. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:976575275] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>pnut027 posted... </cite><quote>Are you asking if showing someone that you intend to shoot them, deserving of being killed yourself?</quote>So there are bullet holes in the tow truck to prove that intent?Or did he just pull a gun and, in contrary to such clear visual declaration of intent to shoot, fire not a single shot between the time he pulled it and the cops arrived and everybody is just assuming intent to justify unidentified cops not giving him a chance to respond to an order and just shooting on sight?Seems like a whole lot of the latter in the thread. Matched with some good old "He should have just done these things that he may not have had the money to do."Would say I'm surprised but trying to excuse such things and give the benefit of the doubt to supposed professionals while expecting perfection out of civilians is the favorite past time of some people. Not attributing that to you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DerWillZurMacht 10/10/23 6:07:06 AM #156:	Dark_Arbron posted... They're pretty well trained in what they can get away with though. Even such tactics as opening fire on someone while screaming "drop the weapon!" so that dispatch can plausibly claim warnings were given without anyone able to prove otherwise. Not to mention being taught to empty entire magazines into people, going far beyond the target being clearly neutralized. In Australia you have to justify every bullet. A second shot to "double tap" someone is treated very harshly because while you accept the possibility that your target will die, you are not permitted to actively increase that chance. And if one of your bullets hits someone in the head? The judge will be asking why the fuck you aimed there. That's not what you were trained to do. Well, man, that's what happens in a first-world country, not a third-world shithole. <cite>DerWillZurMacht posted [p:976575589] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>They're pretty well trained in what they can get away with though. Even such tactics as opening fire on someone while screaming "drop the weapon!" so that dispatch can plausibly claim warnings were given without anyone able to prove otherwise. Not to mention being taught to empty entire magazines into people, going far beyond the target being clearly neutralized.In Australia you have to justify every bullet. A second shot to "double tap" someone is treated very harshly because while you accept the possibility that your target will die, you are not permitted to actively increase that chance. And if one of your bullets hits someone in the head? The judge will be asking why the fuck you aimed there. That's not what you were trained to do.</quote>Well, man, that's what happens in a first-world country, not a third-world shithole.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 10/10/23 6:48:02 AM #157:	ppl saying "oh he should just make a phone call" he would still end up having to pay to get his property back hell how is he suppose to get to work with out his vehicle --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:976575896] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>ppl saying "oh he should just make a phone call"he would still end up having to pay to get his property backhell how is he suppose to get to work with out his vehicle </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 10/10/23 7:01:59 AM #158:	Personally I feel it needs to be more commonplace for citizens to have their own personal surveillance cameras. Can help deter cops maybe and also help you justify your side if you had to defend yourself from a intruder. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:976575982] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Personally I feel it needs to be more commonplace for citizens to have their own personal surveillance cameras. Can help deter cops maybe and also help you justify your side if you had to defend yourself from a intruder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 10/10/23 7:02:38 AM #159:	People who supported riots that destroyed jobs lemant the idea of a person's job being negatively affected by things outside their control and the wrong actions of other people. Now suddenly guns can be drawn when property is on the line. Now suddenly it's property over lives, so long as the property is important enough. Gee, I fucking wonder why. Stop being full of shit. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:976575984] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>People who supported riots that destroyed jobs lemant the idea of a person's job being negatively affected by things outside their control and the wrong actions of other people. Now suddenly guns can be drawn when property is on the line. Now suddenly it's property over lives, so long as the property is important enough. Gee, I fucking wonder why.Stop being full of shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 7:03:18 AM #160:	shnangyboos posted... People who supported riots that destroyed jobs lemant the idea of a person's job being negatively affected by things outside their control and the wrong actions of other people. Now suddenly guns can be drawn when property is on the line. Now suddenly it's property over lives, so long as the property is important enough. Gee, I fucking wonder why. Stop being full of shit. Oh look, it's the anti-BLM Rittenhouse shill. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976575990] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>shnangyboos posted... </cite><quote>People who supported riots that destroyed jobs lemant the idea of a person's job being negatively affected by things outside their control and the wrong actions of other people. Now suddenly guns can be drawn when property is on the line. Now suddenly it's property over lives, so long as the property is important enough. Gee, I fucking wonder why.Stop being full of shit.</quote>Oh look, it's the anti-BLM Rittenhouse shill. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 10/10/23 7:08:08 AM #161:	shnangyboos posted... Now suddenly it's property over lives, so long as the property is important enough. Gee, I fucking wonder why. See, here's the thing: Cops should be held to a higher standard than civilians, as opposed to vice versa. --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976576035] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>shnangyboos posted... </cite><quote>Now suddenly it's property over lives, so long as the property is important enough. Gee, I fucking wonder why.</quote>See, here's the thing: Cops should be held to a higher standard than civilians,as opposed to vice versa. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 10/10/23 7:33:48 AM #162:	Aww, he wants to try to "but BLM" to excuse summary execution. How cute. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:976576232] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Aww, he wants to try to "but BLM" to excuse summary execution.How cute. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
texanfan27 10/10/23 7:58:33 AM #163:	AceMos posted... ppl saying "oh he should just make a phone call" he would still end up having to pay to get his property back hell how is he suppose to get to work with out his vehicle If he has evidence that was a wrongful repo, then it can be taken to court. The company is likely going to give it back then lose more in court. It is a massive inconvenience though, but not worth using a gun for. --- I'm a ? Block. No, punching me won't give you power ups. <cite>texanfan27 posted [p:976576421] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>ppl saying "oh he should just make a phone call"he would still end up having to pay to get his property backhell how is he suppose to get to work with out his vehicle</quote>If he has evidence that was a wrongful repo, then it can be taken to court. The company is likely going to give it back then lose more in court. It is a massive inconvenience though, but not worth using a gun for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 10/10/23 9:13:50 AM #164:	shnangyboos posted... People who supported riots that destroyed jobs lemant the idea of a person's job being negatively affected by things outside their control and the wrong actions of other people. Now suddenly guns can be drawn when property is on the line. Now suddenly it's property over lives, so long as the property is important enough. Gee, I fucking wonder why. Stop being full of shit. A shame you have a known posting history. This could have left us guessing if you were making a joke post or not for some time. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976577105] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>shnangyboos posted... </cite><quote>People who supported riots that destroyed jobs lemant the idea of a person's job being negatively affected by things outside their control and the wrong actions of other people. Now suddenly guns can be drawn when property is on the line. Now suddenly it's property over lives, so long as the property is important enough. Gee, I fucking wonder why.Stop being full of shit.</quote>A shame you have a known posting history. This could have left us guessing if you were making a joke post or not for some time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 10/10/23 9:17:49 AM #165:	texanfan27 posted... If he has evidence that was a wrongful repo, then it can be taken to court. The company is likely going to give it back then lose more in court. It is a massive inconvenience though, but not worth using a gun for. No. The tow company can prove it in front of the cops right there at the scene before he even touches the car. And you're an absolute fool if you think they'd just give it back, especially for free, instead of going to court. Repo dudes are only slightly less bad about going to court to fuck you over for the spite of it than landlords are. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976577149] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>texanfan27 posted... </cite><quote>If he has evidence that was a wrongful repo, then it can be taken to court. The company is likely going to give it back then lose more in court. It is a massive inconvenience though, but not worth using a gun for.</quote>No. The tow company can prove it in front of the cops right there at the scene before he even touches the car. And you're an absolute fool if you think they'd just give it back, especially for free, instead of going to court. Repo dudes are only slightly less bad about going to court to fuck you over for the spite of it than landlords are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 9:33:34 AM #168:	DnDer posted... A shame you have a known posting history. This could have left us guessing if you were making a joke post or not for some time. I didn't witness them earning this tag, but Torgo said they had them tagged as "garbage racist." Given their tendency to shit on BLM, coupled with sticking up for Kyle Rittenhouse, I assume that's accurate? --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976577336] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>A shame you have a known posting history. This could have left us guessing if you were making a joke post or not for some time.</quote>I didn't witness them earning this tag, but Torgo said they had them tagged as "garbage racist."Given their tendency to shit on BLM, coupled with sticking up for Kyle Rittenhouse, I assume that's accurate? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Avirosb 10/10/23 9:39:33 AM #170:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] In America it's more convenient to shoot someone dead in error, because that means less paperwork. --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976577402] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> In America it's more convenient to shoot someone dead in error, because that means less paperwork. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 9:42:05 AM #172:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Avirosb posted... In America it's more convenient to shoot someone dead in error, because that means less paperwork. I'm sure you both know this, but it's worth reiterating that the man was black. The fact he had a gun probably didn't influence this outcome as much as you'd think. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976577438] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Avirosb posted... </cite><quote>In America it's more convenient to shoot someone dead in error, because that means less paperwork.</quote>I'm sure you both know this, but it's worth reiterating that the man was black. The fact he had a gun probably didn't influence this outcome as much as you'd think. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranAures 10/10/23 9:42:22 AM #173:	Avirosb posted... In America it's more convenient to shoot someone dead in error, because that means less paperwork. Easier to paint some story and sit on the video and hope everyone forgives/forget about you than it is to actual train your people to not shoot at everything at the slightest provocation. --- Just because I have 99% of a heart doesn't mean it can't kill me. It's tried. Twice. My body has a dongle and my heart doesn't care. The one thing we agree on. <cite>GranAures posted [p:976577446] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Avirosb posted... </cite><quote>In America it's more convenient to shoot someone dead in error, because that means less paperwork.</quote>Easier to paint some story and sit on the video and hope everyone forgives/forget about you than it is to actual train your people to not shoot at everything at the slightest provocation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 10/10/23 10:02:28 AM #174:	Dark_Arbron posted... I didn't witness them earning this tag, but Torgo said they had them tagged as "garbage racist." Given their tendency to shit on BLM, coupled with sticking up for Kyle Rittenhouse, I assume that's accurate? I don't even have him tagged. I usually save that for someone who really crosses a line with me, instead of general shit posting. However, I always remember him because his opinions on race are right up there with the likes of Savoots, with some of his takes. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976577680] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Dark_Arbron posted... </cite><quote>I didn't witness them earning this tag, but Torgo said they had them tagged as "garbage racist."Given their tendency to shit on BLM, coupled with sticking up for Kyle Rittenhouse, I assume that's accurate?</quote>I don't even have him tagged. I usually save that for someone who really crosses a line with me, instead of general shit posting.However, I always remember him because his opinions on race are right up there with the likes of Savoots, with some of his takes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceMos 10/10/23 10:54:07 AM #175:	texanfan27 posted... If he has evidence that was a wrongful repo, then it can be taken to court. The company is likely going to give it back then lose more in court. It is a massive inconvenience though, but not worth using a gun for. court cases cost money money most ppl dont have the ability to sue is just a way for the elite to screw over the poor --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.does her janpuu dance <cite>AceMos posted [p:976578340] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>texanfan27 posted... </cite><quote>If he has evidence that was a wrongful repo, then it can be taken to court. The company is likely going to give it back then lose more in court. It is a massive inconvenience though, but not worth using a gun for.</quote>court cases cost money money most ppl dont havethe ability to sue is just a way for the elite to screw over the poor </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Arbron 10/10/23 11:22:46 AM #176:	AceMos posted... court cases cost money money most ppl dont have the ability to sue is just a way for the elite to screw over the poor This. My friend could easily make defamatory statements about me if he wanted to (not that he would) and since his economic situation is far better than mine, I'd be pretty much unable to fight back. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares <cite>Dark_Arbron posted [p:976578703] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>AceMos posted... </cite><quote>court cases cost money money most ppl dont havethe ability to sue is just a way for the elite to screw over the poor</quote>This. My friend could easily make defamatory statements about me if he wanted to (not that he would) and since his economic situation is far better than mine, I'd be pretty much unable to fight back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
faizan_faizan 10/10/23 11:33:48 AM #177:	Smashingpmkns posted... Tow truck drivers are fucking scum How so? --- Allergic to bull****. <cite>faizan_faizan posted [p:976578861] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite><quote>Tow truck drivers are fucking scum</quote>How so? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Noname13 10/10/23 1:50:58 PM #178:	faizan_faizan posted... How so? Towing cars for the purpose of a car accident is obviously okay. But a lot of them are proactive in the sense they are looking for people's car to tow. No reason, and they will your keep car for hundreds of dollars even if they towed justly or not. They also go in places like apartment complex's looking repo cars or cars to tow. The only thing I like about tows is a lot of them have cameras on them and can read stolen license plates/cars when they go in <cite>Noname13 posted [p:976581135] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>faizan_faizan posted... </cite><quote>How so?</quote>Towing cars for the purpose of a car accident is obviously okay. But a lot of them are proactive in the sense they are looking for people's car to tow. No reason, and they will your keep car for hundreds of dollars even if they towed justly or not. They also go in places like apartment complex's looking repo cars or cars to tow. The only thing I like about tows is a lot of them have cameras on them and can read stolen license plates/cars when they go in</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 10/10/23 8:58:43 PM #179:	faizan_faizan posted... How so? Because they're debt collectors. And debt collectors are bad people. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976588292] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>faizan_faizan posted... </cite><quote>How so?</quote>Because they're debt collectors. And debt collectors are bad people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cemith 10/10/23 8:59:58 PM #180:	wackyteen posted... Black man Cop murder and black men, name a more fucking iconic duo --- https://i.ibb.co/2vRbyC0/Rosa-6.png "Friends don't let friends watch The Big Bang Theory" - mogar002 <cite>Cemith posted [p:976588316] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite><quote>Black man</quote>Cop murder and black men, name a more fucking iconic duo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DnDer 10/10/23 9:15:48 PM #182:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] DnDer posted... Because they're debt collectors. And debt collectors are bad people. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976588553] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Because they're debt collectors. And debt collectors are bad people.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jumi 10/10/23 11:37:01 PM #183:	DnDer posted... Because they're debt collectors. And debt collectors are bad people. One could argue that people who don't pay their debts are bad people. --- XBL Gamertag: Rob Thorsman Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/robertvsilvers <cite>jumi posted [p:976590790] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Because they're debt collectors. And debt collectors are bad people.</quote>One could argue that people who don't pay their debts are bad people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DerWillZurMacht 10/11/23 12:56:06 AM #184:	jumi posted... One could argue that people who don't pay their debts are bad people. Narrator: You could, in fact, not argue that. <cite>DerWillZurMacht posted [p:976591656] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted... </cite><quote>One could argue that people who don't pay their debts are bad people.</quote>Narrator: You could, in fact, not argue that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 10/11/23 2:27:36 AM #185:	jumi posted... One could argue that people who don't pay their debts are bad people. Yeah, no. You obviously have no clue the kind of scum that debt collectors are or the predatory things they'll do to collect from someone who never actually owed them money in the first place. And sometimes, they don't even care enough to verify that you actually owe the debt before the all but criminal harassment begins. If there were a second class of people I could name who contribute nothing to society that should disappear from the face of the earth and we'd never notice except for the better, it'd be debt collectors. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976592372] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>jumi posted... </cite><quote>One could argue that people who don't pay their debts are bad people.</quote>Yeah, no. You obviously have no clue the kind of scum that debt collectors are or the predatory things they'll do to collect from someone who never actually owed them money in the first place.And sometimes, they don't even care enough to verify that you actually owe the debt before the all but criminal harassment begins.If there were a second class of people I could name who contribute nothing to society that should disappear from the face of the earth and we'd never notice except for the better, it'd be debt collectors. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 10/11/23 6:33:13 AM #186:	Are they really debt collectors though? They don't take money you owe. Never had a repossession but if it's like the TV shows they don't give a fuck if you got the money they tell you to take it up with the bank. Which is easily the worst part about them imo. Unless the bank wants the car back regardless of if they pay at this point cause they are just too chronically late. I do think they should get on the phone with the bank alongside the customer so that person can talk directly to them and hash out if they vehicle really needs to be repoed. I'm sure in a lot of cases if they can throw out some money right then the bank might back off for a little while. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:976593709] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Are they really debt collectors though? They don't take money you owe. Never had a repossession but if it's like the TV shows they don't give a fuck if you got the money they tell you to take it up with the bank. Which is easily the worst part about them imo. Unless the bank wants the car back regardless of if they pay at this point cause they are just too chronically late. I do think they should get on the phone with the bank alongside the customer so that person can talk directly to them and hash out if they vehicle really needs to be repoed. I'm sure in a lot of cases if they can throw out some money right then the bank might back off for a little while. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 10/11/23 6:34:35 AM #187:	DnDer posted... Yeah, no. You obviously have no clue the kind of scum that debt collectors are or the predatory things they'll do to collect from someone who never actually owed them money in the first place. And sometimes, they don't even care enough to verify that you actually owe the debt before the all but criminal harassment begins. If there were a second class of people I could name who contribute nothing to society that should disappear from the face of the earth and we'd never notice except for the better, it'd be debt collectors. So people should just be able to get shit for free? You got a better idea. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:976593717] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, no. You obviously have no clue the kind of scum that debt collectors are or the predatory things they'll do to collect from someone who never actually owed them money in the first place.And sometimes, they don't even care enough to verify that you actually owe the debt before the all but criminal harassment begins.If there were a second class of people I could name who contribute nothing to society that should disappear from the face of the earth and we'd never notice except for the better, it'd be debt collectors.</quote>So people should just be able to get shit for free? You got a better idea. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArtiRock 10/11/23 7:47:21 AM #188:	Sufferedphoneix posted... So people should just be able to get shit for free? You got a better idea. Yeah, not having debt collectors do things like they do. I literally had someone charge me money for equipment from a place I wasn't living, and called debt collectors to try to force me to pay for the equipment despite the fact that I clearly wasn't living in the place. IE, I was living there in say 2020, left, and then they want to charge me for equipment from 2023. I tell them it wasn't mine, and they state that they didn't care that it wasn't mine, because "on their records I was the last person living there." Not only is that easily provable, but I told them this and they still charged me anyways and I'm having to fight that. THEN they send you mail saying you HAVE to fight this and if you don't fight it by x day, they'll "assume it's true" (WTF) and then give you debts that you more than likely don't even owe. --- This is the duty of the Grim Angels. <cite>ArtiRock posted [p:976594225] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoneix posted... </cite><quote>So people should just be able to get shit for free? You got a better idea.</quote>Yeah, not having debt collectors do things like they do. I literally had someone charge me money for equipment from a place I wasn't living, and called debt collectors to try to force me to pay for the equipment despite the fact that I clearly wasn't living in the place. IE, I was living there in say 2020, left, and then they want to charge me for equipment from 2023. I tell them it wasn't mine, and they state that they didn't care that it wasn't mine, because "on their records I was the last person living there." Not only is that easily provable, but I told them this and they still charged me anyways and I'm having to fight that. THEN they send you mail saying you HAVE to fight this and if you don't fight it by x day, they'll "assume it's true" (WTF) and then give you debts that you more than likely don't even owe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NO2_Fiend 10/11/23 8:00:52 AM #189:	Holifuck the insanity of this thread. Tow truck drivers are not repo and most tow truck drivers are never involved in reposessions. Most of them are just out there to save your ass when YOU forget to properly maintain your vehicle. --- I'm an artist at what I do. I fuel the fire, watch it burn, and laugh all the while. <cite>NO2_Fiend posted [p:976594335] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Holifuck the insanity of this thread. Tow truck drivers are not repo and most tow truck drivers are never involved in reposessions. Most of them are just out there to save your ass when YOU forget to properly maintain your vehicle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 10/11/23 8:08:34 AM #190:	Sufferedphoneix posted... So people should just be able to get shit for free? You got a better idea. No. There's a canyon of difference between people having things and accruing debt, and having debt collectors. Debt collectors aren't people you actually owe money to. They paid someone else 1/1,000th of your debt value to pretend you owe them. Once they get that permission to pretend, they begin a campaign of harassment and torment that you'd think would be illegal, which it is, but never gets enforced like it should on an appropriate scale to curb their behavior. People should pay their debts, if they can. To the people they owe the debts to. Debt collectors are not those people. Debt collectors are just bad people who couldn't be bothered to use their labor to generate anything for society at large, let alone anything useful. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976594385] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoneix posted... </cite><quote>So people should just be able to get shit for free? You got a better idea.</quote>No.There's a canyon of difference between people having things and accruing debt, and having debt collectors.Debt collectors aren't people you actually owe money to. They paid someone else 1/1,000th of your debt value to pretend you owe them. Once they get that permission to pretend, they begin a campaign of harassment and torment that you'd think would be illegal, which it is, but never gets enforced like it should on an appropriate scale to curb their behavior.People should pay their debts, if they can. To the people they owe the debts to.Debt collectors are not those people. Debt collectors are just bad people who couldn't be bothered to use their labor to generate anything for society at large, let alone anything useful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 10/11/23 8:11:01 AM #191:	NO2_Fiend posted... Holifuck the insanity of this thread. Tow truck drivers are not repo and most tow truck drivers are never involved in reposessions. Most of them are just out there to save your ass when YOU forget to properly maintain your vehicle. Correct. But this tow truck driver, in the OP, was a repo man. Allegedly repo'ing (allegedly stealing) a man's truck. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976594413] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>NO2_Fiend posted... </cite><quote>Holifuck the insanity of this thread. Tow truck drivers are not repo and most tow truck drivers are never involved in reposessions. Most of them are just out there to save your ass when YOU forget to properly maintain your vehicle.</quote>Correct.But this tow truck driver, in the OP, was a repo man. Allegedly repo'ing (allegedly stealing) a man's truck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 10/11/23 8:28:40 AM #192:	ArtiRock posted... Yeah, not having debt collectors do things like they do. I literally had someone charge me money for equipment from a place I wasn't living, and called debt collectors to try to force me to pay for the equipment despite the fact that I clearly wasn't living in the place. IE, I was living there in say 2020, left, and then they want to charge me for equipment from 2023. I tell them it wasn't mine, and they state that they didn't care that it wasn't mine, because "on their records I was the last person living there." Not only is that easily provable, but I told them this and they still charged me anyways and I'm having to fight that. THEN they send you mail saying you HAVE to fight this and if you don't fight it by x day, they'll "assume it's true" (WTF) and then give you debts that you more than likely don't even owe. Sounds like an easy scam you could run with shady apartment owners for a fair split --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:976594575] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>ArtiRock posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, not having debt collectors do things like they do. I literally had someone charge me money for equipment from a place I wasn't living, and called debt collectors to try to force me to pay for the equipment despite the fact that I clearly wasn't living in the place. IE, I was living there in say 2020, left, and then they want to charge me for equipment from 2023. I tell them it wasn't mine, and they state that they didn't care that it wasn't mine, because "on their records I was the last person living there." Not only is that easily provable, but I told them this and they still charged me anyways and I'm having to fight that. THEN they send you mail saying you HAVE to fight this and if you don't fight it by x day, they'll "assume it's true" (WTF) and then give you debts that you more than likely don't even owe.</quote>Sounds like an easy scam you could run with shady apartment owners for a fair split </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wackyteen 10/11/23 8:31:54 AM #193:	DnDer posted... Debt collectors aren't people you actually owe money to. They paid someone else 1/1,000th of your debt value to pretend you owe them. Once they get that permission to pretend, they begin a campaign of harassment and torment that you'd think would be illegal, which it is, but never gets enforced like it should on an appropriate scale to curb their behavior. Are debt collectors legally obligated to report how much you owe them? If they buy your debt of $100 for $10, can they only ask for $10 or can they still front like you owe $100? --- The name is wackyteen for a reason. Never doubt. <cite>wackyteen posted [p:976594615] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Debt collectors aren't people you actually owe money to. They paid someone else 1/1,000th of your debt value to pretend you owe them. Once they get that permission to pretend, they begin a campaign of harassment and torment that you'd think would be illegal, which it is, but never gets enforced like it should on an appropriate scale to curb their behavior.</quote>Are debt collectors legally obligated to report how much you owe them? If they buy your debt of $100 for $10, can they only ask for $10 or can they still front like you owe $100? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 10/11/23 8:35:26 AM #194:	wackyteen posted... If they buy your debt of $100 for $10, can they only ask for $10 or can they still front like you owe $100? The latter. They "buy" your debt from someone who's given up on getting it from you, and say you owe them the full value of the debt. But they'll settle, most of the time, for 60-70%, because they only ever paid 5-10%, and it's all profit. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976594650] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite><quote>If they buy your debt of $100 for $10, can they only ask for $10 or can they still front like you owe $100?</quote>The latter.They "buy" your debt from someone who's given up on getting it from you, and say you owe them the full value of the debt.But they'll settle, most of the time, for 60-70%, because they only ever paid 5-10%, and it's all profit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DnDer 10/11/23 8:39:53 AM #196:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] You'd think so. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976594688] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> You'd think so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArtiRock 10/11/23 8:53:03 AM #197:	wackyteen posted... Sounds like an easy scam you could run with shady apartment owners for a fair split Oh absolutely. And that's what makes it so shit because the old apartment owners were shit. --- This is the duty of the Grim Angels. <cite>ArtiRock posted [p:976594828] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>wackyteen posted... </cite><quote>Sounds like an easy scam you could run with shady apartment owners for a fair split</quote>Oh absolutely. And that's what makes it so shit because the old apartment owners were shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoneix 10/11/23 9:42:32 AM #198:	ArtiRock posted... Yeah, not having debt collectors do things like they do. I literally had someone charge me money for equipment from a place I wasn't living, and called debt collectors to try to force me to pay for the equipment despite the fact that I clearly wasn't living in the place. IE, I was living there in say 2020, left, and then they want to charge me for equipment from 2023. I tell them it wasn't mine, and they state that they didn't care that it wasn't mine, because "on their records I was the last person living there." Not only is that easily provable, but I told them this and they still charged me anyways and I'm having to fight that. THEN they send you mail saying you HAVE to fight this and if you don't fight it by x day, they'll "assume it's true" (WTF) and then give you debts that you more than likely don't even owe. Ok cause since some practice shitty behavior people should just get shit for free? You really didnr provide a better way to do things. You could have at least argued the ones who do shitty things get punished for it. But the act if done correctly is needed to be done. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoneix posted [p:976595382] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>ArtiRock posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, not having debt collectors do things like they do. I literally had someone charge me money for equipment from a place I wasn't living, and called debt collectors to try to force me to pay for the equipment despite the fact that I clearly wasn't living in the place. IE, I was living there in say 2020, left, and then they want to charge me for equipment from 2023. I tell them it wasn't mine, and they state that they didn't care that it wasn't mine, because "on their records I was the last person living there." Not only is that easily provable, but I told them this and they still charged me anyways and I'm having to fight that. THEN they send you mail saying you HAVE to fight this and if you don't fight it by x day, they'll "assume it's true" (WTF) and then give you debts that you more than likely don't even owe.</quote>Ok cause since some practice shitty behavior people should just get shit for free? You really didnr provide a better way to do things. You could have at least argued the ones who do shitty things get punished for it. But the act if done correctly is needed to be done. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 10/11/23 10:20:28 AM #199:	Where did anyone say people should get shit for free? "Debt collectors suck" is not the same thing as saying people should get shit for free. It's a fact that debt collectors suck due to the fact that debt is an incredibly predatory industry in this country and really shouldn't be. Acknowledging that is not saying that people should get shit for free. Maybe that nuance is too much for you, I dunno, but no one has said what you're claiming was said. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:976595879] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>Where did anyone say people should get shit for free?"Debt collectors suck" is not the same thing as saying people should get shit for free.It's a fact that debt collectors suck due to the fact that debt is an incredibly predatory industry in this country and really shouldn't be. Acknowledging that is not saying that people should get shit for free. Maybe that nuance is too much for you, I dunno, but no one has said what you're claiming was said. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 10/11/23 11:10:21 AM #200:	NO2_Fiend posted... Holifuck the insanity of this thread. Tow truck drivers are not repo and most tow truck drivers are never involved in reposessions. Most of them are just out there to save your ass when YOU forget to properly maintain your vehicle. True. But there are scummy tow truck drivers out there too. Not saying they're all scummy, but it's definitely not something that's limited to repos. There are drivers that will look for people that have been in an accident or have some other car trouble. They'll tow the car for them to the tow company's lot, and then charge per day to "store" the car for them. Cities had to make specific laws because of some of the predatory things tow companies were doing --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:976596632] in Alabama po... [t:80589255]...</cite> <quote>NO2_Fiend posted... </cite><quote>Holifuck the insanity of this thread. Tow truck drivers are not repo and most tow truck drivers are never involved in reposessions. Most of them are just out there to save your ass when YOU forget to properly maintain your vehicle.</quote>True. But there are scummy tow truck drivers out there too. Not saying they're all scummy, but it's definitely not something that's limited to repos. There are drivers that will look for people that have been in an accident or have some other car trouble. They'll tow the car for them to the tow company's lot, and then charge per day to "store" the car for them. Cities had to make specific laws because of some of the predatory things tow companies were doing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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