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wackyteen
10/06/23 10:49:43 AM
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/05/opinions/house-speaker-ousted-mccarthy-democrats-brown/index.html

Editors Note: Editors Note: Patrick T. Brown is a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative think tank and advocacy group based in Washington, DC. He is also a former senior policy adviser to Congress Joint Economic Committee.

Two months before the 2022 midterms, President Joe Biden stood flanked by two US Marines in front of Independence Hall in Philadelphia and issued some of the harshest words of his presidency.
Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic, Biden intoned, calling extreme MAGA Republicans a clear and present danger to our democracy.
Clearly, some in the presidents party missed the memo.
On Tuesday, Democrats in the House decided to side with eight Republicans who voted to remove their follow party member, Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA), from his role as speaker. Instead of siding with stability, Democrats chose to double down on partisanship. For the party that has talked repeatedly about wanting to restore norms of good government, it was a cynical display of short-term political gain at the expense of the long-term functioning of our political institutions.
To be clear, the predicament originated with Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), one of the MAGA-type Republicans Biden seemed to be referencing and a consistent thorn in the side of McCarthy since the infamous 15 ballots it took for McCarthy to secure the speakership in January. As I wrote for CNN at the time, McCarthys travails illustrate how trying to lead in an era when parties and institutions are held captive by an anti-establishment mentality will be a continual exercise in frustration.
Over the past 10 months, Gaetz held the threat of a motion to vacate the ability to call a vote at any time to oust the speaker over McCarthy like the sword of Damocles. The California Republicans decision last weekend to rely on Democratic votes to avoid a government shutdown was the weapon Gaetz needed to make good on his threat.
Gaetzs move gave Democrats an opportunity to reward McCarthy for having kept the government open. Two-hundred-and-nine Democrats joined 126 Republicans to pass the last-minute deal that averted a shutdown, and many were initially cautiously open to securing a deal to save McCarthys speakership. I think if hes willing to work together on things, a member of Congress told CNN at the time, there will be enough of us to protect him.
Michael Wear, a speaker and strategist at the intersection of faith and politics, who previously led faith outreach for President Barack Obamas 2012 reelection campaign, was not alone in being hopeful that McCarthys decision to introduce a stop-gap spending measure in a bipartisan manner, and Democrats willingness to sign onto it, signaled promise for those who want our politics to choose something greater than partisan warfare.
Alas, those hopes were not fulfilled. House Democrats acted as enablers for those Republicans who sought McCarthys ouster, effectively helping to punish him for compromising on keeping the government open.
Admittedly, there had already been no shortage of bad blood between McCarthy and Democrats, who were perturbed by his willingness to indulge his right flank, his flip-flop on whether Trump should be considered responsible for the events of January 6, 2021, and his launch of an impeachment inquiry against Biden even before the possibility of a shutdown picked up speed. And then, in the days surrounding the bipartisan spending deal, Democrats were reportedly angered not just by McCarthys chaotic process for passing the deal, but also by a CBS interview in which McCarthy blamed them, rather than his far-right flank, for the prospect of a shutdown.
Democrats also argued that an intra-caucus squabble was something for which Republicans owned responsibility. It was McCarthys choice to empower [the right wing] further, Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York postedon X, formerly Twitter. He protected them & punished those who bucked Trump. Hes not a victim.
But Democrats didnt have to like McCarthy or approve of everything hes done to understand that his ouster only empowers the MAGA Republicans decried by Biden and opposed by Ocasio-Cortez as one of the gravest threats facing the country.
Gaetz is the loudest voice of a small coalition of Republicans who seem to care less about specific policy than in delivering on an uncompromising approach to politics and, along the way, burnishing their brand for social media, cable news hits or future runs for office. Republicans threatening retribution in the form of cutting off fundraising dollars or supporting primary opponents against Gaetz, Rep. Nancy Mace [(R-SC)] and others who participated in the revolt are right to do so. But given the Republicans narrow majority and the partys lack of a unifying vision, it seems likely this faction will exhibit the same behavior when the next speaker is chosen.
A little bipartisanship could have thwarted their attempt. Democrats didnt even have to affirmatively support McCarthy; simply voting present would have lowered the threshold necessary for the former speaker to maintain a majority. Instead, Democrats helped those they see as extreme MAGA Republicans while allowing the House to be thrown into chaos amid the fraught prospect of choosing a new speaker as the clock ticks down to the next shutdown deadline.
Through the lens of crass electoral politics, Democrats may have calculated correctly, at least in the short term. The latest Gallup poll shows that the percentage of Americans who say they trust Republicans to manage the economy over Democrats is at an all-time high. Allowing Republicans to shoot themselves in the foot surely helps strengthen the Democrats argument that voters shouldnt entrust them with control of Congress. Democrats can also tell their base they kept their hands pure rather than casting a vote for a speaker many progressives saw as morally compromised.
But whats best for the Democratic Party is not whats best for the country, and its hypocritical for Democrats not to acknowledge that. It is highly unlikely that McCarthys replacement will be any more amenable to working across the aisle than the California Republican was. He or she will be beholden to the same forces that made McCarthys job near-impossible, just like former Speakers John Boehner and Paul Ryan before him. The result will likely be future deadlock, a political process that works even less well and a long-term degradation of the constitutional order in which neither party sees any gain in doing the right thing instead of taking a cheap win.
Biden, like other Democrats, has made political hay out of claiming that todays GOP aint your fathers Republican Party. Perhaps thats so. But if they truly long for the purported halcyon days of political compromise and sober government, siding with a handful of Republican renegades to throw the business of the House into disarray is a funny way of showing it. When faced with the choice to reward bipartisanship or exploit GOP divisions for political gains, Democrats chose the latter.

Republicans made this mess. They're the majority in the House. They made these rules. You can't blame your opponent for not stopping you from tripping on the perceived way to the end zone.

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UltimateWing
10/06/23 10:53:07 AM
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I hate it when somebody tries to both sides things. It was entirely McCarthy and the rest of the House GOPs fault for this situation. No one else.

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FortuneCookie
10/06/23 10:56:03 AM
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UltimateWing posted...
I hate it when somebody tries to both sides things. It was entirely McCarthy and the rest of the House GOPs fault for this situation. No one else.

Considering Biden agreed to build the MAGA wall, I'd say it's pretty fair to hold "both sides" accountable on a few things.
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BombermanGold
10/06/23 10:56:07 AM
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wackyteen posted...
But Democrats didnt have to like McCarthy or approve of everything hes done to understand that his ouster only empowers the MAGA Republicans decried by Biden and opposed by Ocasio-Cortez as one of the gravest threats facing the country.
Gaetz is the loudest voice of a small coalition of Republicans who seem to care less about specific policy than in delivering on an uncompromising approach to politics and, along the way, burnishing their brand for social media, cable news hits or future runs for office. Republicans threatening retribution in the form of cutting off fundraising dollars or supporting primary opponents against Gaetz, Rep. Nancy Mace [(R-SC)] and others who participated in the revolt are right to do so. But given the Republicans narrow majority and the partys lack of a unifying vision, it seems likely this faction will exhibit the same behavior when the next speaker is chosen.

So...does the guy want the Democrats to just roll over and let McCarthy continue to insult and run over them publicly?

Has anyone asked the mofo if this entire situation was flipped, would the GOP keep a Dem House Leader on the gavel?

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steve_madsci
10/06/23 10:56:16 AM
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Author is butthurt because Dems didn't bail out moderate Repubs from a crisis of their own making
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darkace77450
10/06/23 10:57:15 AM
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There's supposed to be a line between giving voice to all views and legitimizing bad faith actors, and far too often does today's "liberal" media find itself on the wrong side of that line.
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asdf8562
10/06/23 10:58:00 AM
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"SaMe ThInG bOtH sIdEs"
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LightHawKnight
10/06/23 11:08:38 AM
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CNN has owned by republicans for a while now.

FortuneCookie posted...
Considering Biden agreed to build the MAGA wall, I'd say it's pretty fair to hold "both sides" accountable on a few things.

I mean the money was already locked in for the wall and seemingly as far as we know Biden tried to use the money for other things, but was blocked at every single step. Still not sure why he decided to actually build the wall now though.

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Shadow_Don
10/06/23 11:10:33 AM
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wackyteen posted...
Patrick T. Brown is a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative think tank

everyone should stop right there

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Strider102
10/06/23 11:11:46 AM
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Conservative and ethics don't belong in the same sentence.

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Zero_Destroyer
10/06/23 11:17:06 AM
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Took all of 5 minutes to find out this dude's a climate denier

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wackyteen
10/06/23 11:20:04 AM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
Took all of 5 minutes to find out this dude's a climate denier

All I had to do was read conservative and could've guessed that easily

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Nosferatu_Zodd
10/06/23 11:20:21 AM
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I do believe the dems would have been better off keeping McCarthy in than potentially having to deal with Jim Jordan or someone of his ilk as speaker.

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FearlessMango
10/06/23 11:22:29 AM
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CNN has been owned by Warner Bros. Discovery since 2022, and the CEO of Warner Bros. Discovery is John Malone

https://www.vox.com/2022/8/26/23322761/cnn-john-malone-david-zaslav-chris-licht-brian-stelter-fox-peter-kafka-column

But complicating that narrative is the fact that Malone has repeatedly wished, in public, for CNN to remake itself. And his prescription happens to sync with the new CNN agenda: a plan to steer the channel away from what Malone and others call a liberal bias they say muddles opinion and news. And to shift it toward a supposedly centrist, just-the-facts bent.

so yeah, it is not surprising to see these sort of takes from CNN nowadays

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LightHawKnight
10/06/23 11:24:57 AM
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Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
I do believe the dems would have been better off keeping McCarthy in than potentially having to deal with Jim Jordan or someone of his ilk as speaker.

I mean does it matter? McCarthy reneged on his deals with Democrats anyways. The clown show of them voting for another speaker again and the time it will take will be devastating to Republicans no matter who they get to be speaker. Hell might even allow the "moderate" Republicans a chance to work with Democrats to get a non maga idiot to be the speaker.

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Bass
10/06/23 11:26:08 AM
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This is why no one likes CNN anymore.

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fire_bolt
10/06/23 11:30:43 AM
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Shadow_Don posted...


everyone should stop right there


I sure did. What the Democrats did was speed up the process of the GOP eating its self alive and "moderate" conservatives are absolutely *seething* as they lose more and more power.

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theAteam
10/06/23 11:35:06 AM
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*insert meme of kid on bicycle jamming a stick in his spokes*

Damn Democrats!

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Heineken14
10/06/23 11:37:10 AM
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Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
I do believe the dems would have been better off keeping McCarthy in than potentially having to deal with Jim Jordan or someone of his ilk as speaker.


1 crazy lying piece of shit right wing lunatic is just as "good" as the next crazy lying piece of shit right wing lunatic.

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fire_bolt
10/06/23 11:38:09 AM
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Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
I do believe the dems would have been better off keeping McCarthy in than potentially having to deal with Jim Jordan or someone of his ilk as speaker.


Nope. People pearl clutching over an alt right idiot possibly getting the Speaker position do not understand how this works. McCarthy was allowed to appoint his own pro temp stand in if this scenario (or any other scenario where he was unable to fill his role of Speaker) happened. Unless a successful election happens that gent will be acting Speaker for the forseeable future. "Moderate" GOP members have literally no reason to vote for someone crazy just to fill the seat because one of their men is already filling it, and the Democrats would light themselves on fire before they voted for a domestic terrorist. So what will happen is largely business as usual except the MAGA crowd will now be putting forth motions to let Trump be Speaker probably every single day and those motions will fail. Its gonna be hilarious.

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Nosferatu_Zodd
10/06/23 11:38:16 AM
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Have you heard Jim Jordan speak?

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creativerealms
10/06/23 11:38:48 AM
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It was not Democrats job to save McCarthy's ass.

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mystic_belmont
10/06/23 11:42:32 AM
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creativerealms posted...
It was not Democrats job to save McCarthy's ass.


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AngelsNAirwav3s
10/06/23 11:44:01 AM
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If AOC and The Squad tried to oust Nancy Pelosi as speaker, 100% guarantee Republicans would do the exact same thing

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BewmHedshot
10/06/23 11:47:50 AM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
If AOC and The Squad tried to oust Nancy Pelosi as speaker, 100% guarantee Republicans would do the exact same thing
And here we see a fractal distillation of the difference between the parties.

AOC and the Squad might have disagreed with Pelosi on a lot of stuff, and even lodged some protest votes, but they negotiated within the system because they understood its better for everyone if the government fucking works and they get 50% of what they want rather than 0%.

Republicans get elected on the promise that government doesn't work. Which is a bizarre thing to vote for.
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masterpug53
10/06/23 12:17:07 PM
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CNN headline today: Job Market defies expectations with 300,000 new jobs gained
Op Ed right below it: Here's how that will hurt you

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Compsognathus
10/06/23 12:48:20 PM
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Dude is literally angry that the Democrats won't bail the Republicans out of an entirely self-inflicted problem after the Republicans just openly shit on them.

I say good. For too long the Democrats have been expected to be the better party and play nice all while the Republicans shit all over everything without so much as a hint of decorum and the Democrats have only suffered from it. Fuck the Republican party and its representatives let them solve their own shit.

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Jagr_68
10/06/23 12:52:51 PM
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CNN is shit and their CEO is a fucking scumfuck conservative shithead.

Of course this is getting handpicked to editorialize.

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ThyCorndog
10/06/23 1:04:41 PM
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that's generous. I'd say people like him have been divorced from reality for a lot longer than that

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UnholyMudcrab
10/06/23 1:07:21 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Editors Note: Editors Note: Patrick T. Brown is a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative think tank and advocacy group based in Washington, DC. He is also a former senior policy adviser to Congress Joint Economic Committee.
At least they put this up front so you know that it isn't remotely going to be worth reading. That's something, I guess.

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radical_rhino
10/06/23 1:08:29 PM
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McCarthy himself is a MAGA extremist. Just because theres congressmen more extreme than him doesnt mean hes some sort of bipartisan moderate.

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FolkenRawr
10/06/23 1:15:33 PM
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Shadow_Don posted...
everyone should stop right there

I made it through the first few sentences about good will and government lmao

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Robot2600
10/06/23 1:20:27 PM
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Cnn is done. They are conservative media now.

MSNBC is the most liberal network these days.

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Umbreon
10/06/23 1:23:38 PM
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Looking forward to CNN's declining ratings.

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Nosferatu_Zodd
10/06/23 1:26:26 PM
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
If AOC and The Squad tried to oust Nancy Pelosi as speaker, 100% guarantee Republicans would do the exact same thing

Well yes, but the Dems would never appoint AOC or anyone like her to the speaker position, whereas the GOP is currently being held hostage by the far right.

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10/06/23 1:27:12 PM
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Brown: All according to keikaku

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mercurydude
10/06/23 1:29:43 PM
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Patrick T. Brown is a fellow at ... a conservative think tank and advocacy group based in Washington, DC.

All I needed to see to know anything he says is worth less than used toilet paper, and just as shitty.

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Tmaster148
10/06/23 1:34:02 PM
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McCarthy got voted out, because he tried to play both the MAGAs and Democrats ultimately offering neither a reason to keep him on board.

The MAGA section of the house is small and ultimately either the more sane republicans vote for Jefferies (the democrat pick) or the MAGA members fold and vote for a non MAGA candidate. There's really no world where the MAGA side pulls out a win here.

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UnsteadyOwl
10/06/23 1:43:43 PM
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  1. McCarthy had already burned bridges with the Democrats. The idea that they were supposed to help him remain speaker when he wasn't going to do shit for them in return is stupid.
  2. If House Republicans elect a MAGA extremist as speaker that's on them. They're the ones with the majority in the House. Who House Republicans choose as their speaker is a reflection on House Republicans and no one else.

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UltimateWing
10/06/23 2:08:34 PM
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Trump is endorsing Jim Jordan, so well see how that disaster goes.

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noisetank
10/06/23 2:11:38 PM
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yes, the dems helped the repubs realize they're fucked.

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Shadow_Don
10/06/23 2:15:43 PM
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Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
Have you heard Jim Jordan speak?

Whatever bullshit Jim Jordan pulls McCarthy was going to be forced to pull eventually.

It literally doesn't matter which dumb fuck you put up there, they are all under the boot of trump.

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Tom_Joad
10/06/23 2:16:42 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Editors Note: Patrick T. Brown is a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative think tank and advocacy group based in Washington, DC. He is also a former senior policy adviser to Congress Joint Economic Committee.

Says it all right there...


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Shamino
10/06/23 2:21:11 PM
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Nosferatu_Zodd posted...
I do believe the dems would have been better off keeping McCarthy in than potentially having to deal with Jim Jordan or someone of his ilk as speaker.

Actually, I don't think so. If Jordan does become Speaker, I see him melting down because of the rules and procedures in place, and the fact that there's two warring factions in his own party that hate each other.

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TonyKojima
10/06/23 2:22:53 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
There's supposed to be a line between giving voice to all views and legitimizing bad faith actors, and far too often does today's "liberal" media find itself on the wrong side of that line.
Fact is not all voice deserve to be heard.

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