Current Events > Bulma vs. Nami. Who wins in a fight and who was more useful?

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Ratchetrockon posted...

Bulma probably wins in a fight cuz she survived being slapped by Beerus (who destroyed a planet with 1 finger). Bulma basically withstands an attack that'd destroy at least 5 planets cuz she took all 5 fingers to the face.

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Idk how Nami can hurt her at all.

You really think he hit her full force? C'mon now...

Tyranthraxus posted...

But you're not talking about "cars"

We're talking about Dragon Radars and Bulma didn't invent them.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Because the analogy there is pilaf didn't invent it either since a Dragon radar is just a radar which already existed.

And so Bulma still didn't invent them.

Umbreon posted...

You really think he hit her full force? C'mon now...

Yes I genuinely believe that Beerus hit her with multi-planetary power

Nami wins in a fight, and Vegeta one-shots her immediately afterward.

Bulma didn't know these other radars existed. She didn't know the dragon balls existed. When she found one she noticed the energy they admitted and she was smart enough to create a device that tracks it. Just because someone else did it first doesn't make what she did less impressive.

jumi posted...

Nami wins in a fight, and redacted one-shots her immediately afterward.

No he likes strong women. He rizz her up after.

jumi posted...

Nami wins in a fight, and Vegeta one-shots her immediately afterward.

Highly doubt he'd interfere. He'd want Bulma to be able to beat her on her own.

i can imagine Sanji nosebleeding like a goddamn fountain if he met Bulma. lol

The dragon ball radar apparently was around for quite some time. The original Red Ribbion Army had their own giant dragon ball radar (a makeshift computer with a screen/grid that displays the world map), it was able to read the location of any dragon balls across various regions. Although it wasn't perfect as it was only able to pinpoint the general location of a dragon ball whereas Bulma improved the designed by a tenfold. Bulma made a portable handheld dragon ball radar that was able to give out the exact location of any dragon balls in real time (should the dragon ball move by something or some force).

Even Pilaf and his companions had a dragon ball radar, though in the form a giant computer. Similarly like the red ribbon army it was a stationary object, where it only be used at their base thus they had to rely on the information given to them by someone on pilafs base (be it pilaf himself or his grunts) to read any data available on the dragon ball(s) should it move.

But yeah if Bulma didn't give Goku and his companions a dragon ball radar, the red ribbon army for sure would of assembled all them especially since RR Army had numerous mercs, soldiers and asassins persistently roaming various regions in hopes of obtaining a dragon Ball.

It seems that if someone smart enough came across a Dragonball and realized what it was and that it gives off energy they can create a device to find the others. That doesn't take away from someone creating the device independently.

Bulma is in a world where the power level is completely insane and still manages to be a prominent character.

But which one is >_>

Ilishe posted...

Bulma is in a world where the power level is completely insane and still manages to be a prominent character.

She's not prominent at all. A background character who does nothing.

creativerealms posted...

Just because someone else did it first doesn't make what she did less impressive.

If someone else did it first, then that means she wasn't the one who invented the radar.

So yeah, less impressive.

Incredible posted...

If someone else did it first, then that means she wasn't the one who invented the radar.

So yeah, less impressive.

That's not what invent means.

Nami would unquestionably win the fight. They both though are pretty much equally useful. Without Bulma there's no Dragon Ball, without Nami Luffy would have died long ago as he'd 100% have sunk the ship.

Basically, neither series would work without the other early on.

Both would use things they make themselves to fight. Nami has some magic sticks that can mess with air currents. Bulma makes/has access to space ships and time machines and submarines and all manner of such things.

Without prep time, it may be a stale mate unless Bulma is feeling cheaty and just uses the time machine to mess with history to prevent the fight from coming to pass, as Nami's abilities probably are not going to be very effective against most Capsule Corp equipment, and Capsule Corp stuff simply outclasses any of the Strawhat vehicles.

If no vehicles are allowed, but we say that the characters are in "to the death mode," Bulma just immediately pulls out a modern pistol and shoots Nami before she can reach her (which is pretty close to her initial reaction to meeting Goku the first time).

Most of the ways Nami wins is if Bulma just stays stationary without attacking because she doesn't realize its a fight yet (Nami's magic sticks don't really have a visible effect until one of those small cloud systems starts forming). And, in the event of vehicles, that we pretend Capsule Corp vehicles have none of the modern protection that vehicles have against lightning strikes.

Tyranthraxus posted...

That's not what invent means.

The inventor is the first one who made it.

Hence the fact you would only call the first person who made cars the inventor of cars. Anyone who made a car after him is not the inventor of them.

Enclave posted...

Without Bulma

There'd still be Dragon Ball, yes.

Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...

Both would use things they make themselves to fight. Nami has some magic sticks that can mess with air currents. Bulma makes/has access to space ships and time machines and submarines and all manner of such things.

Without prep time, it may be a stale mate unless Bulma is feeling cheaty and just uses the time machine to mess with history to prevent the fight from coming to pass, as Nami's abilities probably are not going to be very effective against most Capsule Corp equipment, and Capsule Corp stuff simply outclasses any of the Strawhat vehicles.

If no vehicles are allowed, but we say that the characters are in "to the death mode," Bulma just immediately pulls out a modern pistol and shoots Nami before she can reach her (which is pretty close to her initial reaction to meeting Goku the first time).

Most of the ways Nami wins is if Bulma just stays stationary without attacking because she doesn't realize its a fight yet (Nami's magic sticks don't really have a visible effect until one of those small cloud systems starts forming). And, in the event of vehicles, that we pretend Capsule Corp vehicles have none of the modern protection that vehicles have against lightning strikes.

Nami isn't some normal human while Bulma very much is outside of her intelligence. She's stronger and faster than Bulma. None of the Straw Hats are normal humans.

Incredible posted...

The inventor is the first one who made it.

Nope. Lots of the same things are invented by different people in different places at different times. The most obvious thing being language.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Lots of the same things are invented by different people in different places at different times.

create or design (something that has not existed before); be the originator of.

You don't invent something if someone else invented it before you, no. Next.

Incredible posted...

create or design (something that has not existed before); be the originator of.

You don't invent something if someone else invented it before you, no. LOL

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/6/8/AARLwzAAE5hI.jpg

Sorry dude but you're just wrong.

Enclave posted...

Nami would unquestionably win the fight. They both though are pretty much equally useful. Without Bulma there's no Dragon Ball, without Nami Luffy would have died long ago as he'd 100% have sunk the ship.

Basically, neither series would work without the other early on.

The difference is Nami has remained consistently useful, and Bulma has not.

The Dragon Radar Bulma invented has remained consistently useful, but thats only one thing she did.

Do we want to count flashing Master Roshi for his Dragon Ball as useful?

I cant remember her doing much during the Pilaf or Red Ribbon arcs, or the rest of Dragon Ball, really.

She learned to fly the ship to Namek, but its debatable whether or not thats useful when her dad made the ship to fly Goku there soon thereafter.

She made a device to shutdown the androids but it wasnt used.

She repaired Android 16, but did he really need to be in good shape to help Gohan go SSJ2?

She made Gohans ridiculous Great Saiyaman costume, but I dont think anyone approves of that or considers it useful.

Thats all I can remember her doing off the top of my head.

You didn't add the time machine that created the alternate timeline to keep Goku from dying.

name_unknown posted...

You didn't add the time machine that created the alternate timeline to keep Goku from dying.

I think thats balanced out by the Time Machine being the only reason Cell existed, and it was an alternate timeline version of Bulma who did that anyway.

PraetorXyn posted...

The Dragon Radar Bulma invented has remained consistently useful, but thats only one thing she did.

She built her own radar because she wanted to misuse the Dragon Balls against God's will, so she gets no credit for any positive usage of it.

PraetorXyn posted...

She learned to fly the ship to Namek

She didn't fly the ship as it was on autopilot the whole time. And it was her fault that they needed that ship because she destroyed Nappa's.

She repaired Android 16, but did he really need to be in good shape to help Gohan go SSJ2?

No, because Gohan was about to transform before Sixteen started talking to him.

name_unknown posted...

You didn't add the time machine that created the alternate timeline to keep Goku from dying.

She fucked over the spacetime continuum by creating multiple timelines. Goku ended up dying, anyway.

Bulma's usefulness is directly proportional to her ability to piss off Scotty.

Enclave posted...

Nami isn't some normal human while Bulma very much is outside of her intelligence. She's stronger and faster than Bulma. None of the Straw Hats are normal humans.

Has she ever been shown absorbing/deflecting multiple bullets in a row? Bear in mind, the guns in One Piece are mostly age of sail weapons.

Because Bulma, again, has a MODERN fire arm, and has sufficient training to easily hit targets with it.

Please describe how she "beats modern gun with trained user." Or for that matter, how she would defeat time travel doing basically anything to prevent Nami from meeting Luffy.

PraetorXyn posted...

I think thats balanced out by the Time Machine being the only reason Cell existed, and it was an alternate timeline version of Bulma who did that anyway.

That doesn't balance things at all, though. Everyone survived in the timeline with Cell (even Goku could've had he wanted to).

KeeperOfShadows posted...

That doesn't balance things at all, though.

Fucking over the spacetime continuum and violating the law of Gods certainly does.

As well as the fact the multiple timelines eventually led to Zamasu killing everyone in the universe and Zeno erasing the entire multiverse.

If there's prep time, I'm not sure about the fight. Bulma could invent something like a shrink ray. It could go either way.

Bulma has literally never made inventions to fight before.

Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...

Has she ever been shown absorbing/deflecting multiple bullets in a row? Bear in mind, the guns in One Piece are mostly age of sail weapons.

Because Bulma, again, has a MODERN fire arm, and has sufficient training to easily hit targets with it.

Please describe how she "beats modern gun with trained user." Or for that matter, how she would defeat time travel doing basically anything to prevent Nami from meeting Luffy.

Guns are not a normal piece of equipment for Bulma so I'm not sure why she suddenly gets one. Also just because she managed to hit Goku when he was a kid while he was standing stationary doesn't mean she has training to easily hit targets with a gun, probably because she knows as well as you do that if she's in trouble her best shot is not a gun but rather giving Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks or Goten a call (all of whom would wreck anybody in One Piece.)

Point is this is a super human vs a normal human, safe money is on the super human. Bulma is just not a character designed for fights and that's perfectly fine, honestly her character would be kinda pointless if she was a fighter.

Enclave posted...

honestly her character would be kinda pointless if she was a fighter.

She'd be more useful if she was a fighter, seeing as only fighters matter in DBZ.

Enclave posted...

Guns are not a normal piece of equipment for Bulma so I'm not sure why she suddenly gets one. Also just because she managed to hit Goku when he was a kid while he was standing stationary doesn't mean she has training to easily hit targets with a gun, probably because she knows as well as you do that if she's in trouble her best shot is not a gun but rather giving Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks or Goten a call (all of whom would wreck anybody in One Piece.)

Point is this is a super human vs a normal human, safe money is on the super human. Bulma is just not a character designed for fights and that's perfectly fine, honestly her character would be kinda pointless if she was a fighter.

Ive read a fanfic or two where Bulma used her intellect to genetically engineer herself sort of like 17 and 18 wished to be a Saiyan with the dragon balls in early Dragon Ball to end up becoming a fighter, and both were pretty interesting premises.

Incredible posted...

Bulma has literally never made inventions to fight before.

Which is super odd. Given how she shrunk down herself and Roshi casually, I find it strange that she never got the idea to weaponize this shrinking technology or come up with something similar helping in fights.

ARTEMlS posted...

Which is super odd. Given how she shrunk down herself and Roshi casually, I find it strange that she never got the idea to weaponize this shrinking technology or come up with something similar helping in fights.

She did a dumb thing in GT that was slightly more dumb than the GT average but less dumb than peak dumb GT where she found a way to use oozaru on demand.

wow so many posts

this is just

incredible

Incredible posted...

That's not important, because it's just a nonsensical plot device that the author put no thought into. It wasn't even the main Bulma that viewers are familiar with who invented the time machine, but an alternate version of her that never even appears in the story proper. We never learn how she made it or even see her do it as it's completely swept off-panel. If it was truly something important in the story, then it would have been fleshed out in detail for us viewers to see because only then would it be an actual point of focus. But it wasn't, because no one gives a shit about it. You could have had Trunks travel back in time through a wormhole inside of his toilet and nothing would actually change.

Dragon Ball isn't about scientists building shit; it's just about fighting at the end of the day, which is the only thing that people tune in to see. People don't tune in for Bulma; they tune in because the wanna see Goku, Gohan, Vegeta, Trunks, Piccolo, etc fuck someone up. There isn't much to the plot at all, because it's full of holes and none of it actually makes any sense. Dumb shit like time machines and time traveling only amount to arbitrary plot devices to set the stage for the fighting; it was never necessary for Toriyama to write any of that stupid bullshit when he easily could have written something less stupid. Even he admits that the Android/Cell arc was an incoherent mess.

You don't need time machines, you don't need multiple timelines, you don't even need androids. As long as Goku's turning his hair golden and having intense battles with someone, it doesn't matter what the so-called "plot" is because that's all the series needs to make money. So, yeah, Bulma's useless; she doesn't need to be in the story at all.

lol what bs

Love how that incredible guy is like *sees legitimate counter argument* acksually, that counter argument is bullshit and the author fucked up, rather than admit that people might have a point.

Anytime anybody dismisses a counterpoint without expounding precisely why or with whataboutism or headcanon, it's pretty much time to fully disengage with them. Sad that he solo ruined a board, if true

legendarylemur posted...

Love how that incredible guy is like *sees legitimate counter argument*

The thing is, none of your "counterarguments" are legitimate.

Enclave posted...

Nami isn't some normal human while Bulma very much is outside of her intelligence. She's stronger and faster than Bulma. None of the Straw Hats are normal humans.

Nami very much is a normal human. The Monster Trio of the Strawhats have their reputation because they're the three among the crew that aren't just normal people outside of having df, being a cyborg, or some legendary Fishman. That's why Nami and Usopp made a pact with each other so they can find ways to hold their own amongst the crew that don't involve being some sort of superhuman. Without her climatact Nami is just a regular person, same as Bulma.

How to get a 500 post topic: Write Bulma in the title and wait for Scotty to show up, because apparently CE would rather argue with him in circles instead of ignoring him.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Nami very much is a normal human. The Monster Trio of the Strawhats have their reputation because they're the three among the crew that aren't just normal people outside of having df, being a cyborg, or some legendary Fishman. That's why Nami and Usopp made a pact with each other so they can find ways to hold their own amongst the crew that don't involve being some sort of superhuman. Without her climatact Nami is just a regular person, same as Bulma.

She very much isn't a normal human, she's weak AF compared to most of the crew but that doesn't mean she's not super powered compared to actual normal ass humans. If she was a normal human she'd have been dead the first time Kalifa hit her back in Ennis Lobby.

LeCh0nk posted...

How to get a 500 post topic: Write Bulma in the title and wait for Scotty to show up, because apparently CE would rather argue with him in circles instead of ignoring him.

At this point, TC not blocking them is basically planning to have him shit up the topic.

Enclave posted...

She very much isn't a normal human, she's weak AF compared to most of the crew but that doesn't mean she's not super powered compared to actual normal ass humans. If she was a normal human she'd have been dead the first time Kalifa hit her back in Ennis Lobby.

Pretty sure Kalifa avoided using physical attacks on her entirely until the very end of that fight because she wanted to play with her new powers. When she poked Nami in the shoulder that did some extreme damage to her.

Nami would destroy Bulma in a fight.

Regarding usefulness, Bulma's inventiveness > Nami's navigation hax

Both are indispensable assets to their groups but Bulma's worth has saved the entire population of planets. Being a great sailor doesn't really compare to building a frigging time machine lol.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Pretty sure Kalifa avoided using physical attacks on her entirely until the very end of that fight because she wanted to play with her new powers. When she poked Nami in the shoulder that did some extreme damage to her.

Nami was hit at least 2 times as I recall which is 2 times more than Bulma would have survived.

When it comes to the respected cast, I think Bulma technically had more use because of the dragon radar but at the same time, without Nami, Luffy's crew wouldn't have made it where it was. She's also been shown to be a special sort of navigator and more than capable so all in all, I'd say Nami even though Bulma isn't as annoying later on in the series.

Both are abusive but I can only handle Nami's abuse so much.