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Torgo
10/03/23 9:42:08 AM
#101:


Barber102 posted...
you can get murdered for anything though and that isnt new.

Are you being serious right now?

What a way to defend literal, clear cut, unapologetic hate crimes.

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Barber102
10/03/23 9:44:37 AM
#102:


Torgo posted...
Are you being serious right now?

What a way to defend literal, clear cut, unapologetic hate crimes.

Dont get it twisted I just want my daughter to live her life and not live in fear. Regardless of how potentially dangerous it is.

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Umbreon
10/03/23 9:48:52 AM
#103:


Caution isn't "living in fear".

You're basically suggesting that trans people shouldn't be careful in a country where people want to do them harm specifically for being trans.

Are people who look both ways before crossing the street "living in fear"?

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Torgo
10/03/23 9:52:30 AM
#104:


Barber102 posted...
Dont get it twisted I just want my daughter to live her life and not live in fear. Regardless of how potentially dangerous it is.

What does that even mean?

Are you claiming transgender individuals are more likely to commit violent crimes?

Do you have data to back this up, or are you just spreading bigoted talking points?

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Barber102
10/03/23 9:55:25 AM
#105:


Torgo posted...
What does that even mean?

Are you claiming transgender individuals are more likely to commit violent crimes?

Do you have data to back this up, or are you just spreading bigoted talking points?

wtf are you talking about i never said anything about trans people being violent.

edit: i guess this part wasnt clear enough for you maybe? my daughter is trans.

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Torgo
10/03/23 9:58:08 AM
#106:


Barber102 posted...
wtf are you talking about i never said anything about trans people being violent.

Then can you explain what you meant here?

Barber102 posted...
Dont get it twisted I just want my daughter to live her life and not live in fear. Regardless of how potentially dangerous it is.

It sounds like a reference to the "OMG trans women in bathroomz!!!!!" panic talking point. Can you explain clearly why your daughter would live her life in fear when in relation to the overall topic and discussion?

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Umbreon
10/03/23 9:58:21 AM
#107:


Yeah I think you misread there Torgo.

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Torgo
10/03/23 10:01:14 AM
#108:


Barber102 posted...
edit: i guess this part wasnt clear enough for you maybe? my daughter is trans.

I'm skeptical, but for now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Just know that I'm aware anyone can claim anything on an anonymous online forum.

It's super sus that you would downplay the very specific threat of violence trans women face as "oh well, people get murdered for all sorts of things" attitude.

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Torgo
10/03/23 10:02:59 AM
#109:


Umbreon posted...
Yeah I think you misread there Torgo.

Maybe, but I am super sus... I also have him flagged from previous encounters.
For now I'll give the benefit of the doubt.

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mustachedmystic
10/03/23 10:07:05 AM
#110:


Meanwhile, if a man doesnt tell a woman every aspect of his sex life, up to and include including every mastabutory experience before having sexwith her, its rape. According to some people.

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gamer167
10/03/23 10:08:04 AM
#111:


Maybe the guys already knew they just didnt care/
didnt say anything
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Sega9599
10/03/23 10:09:27 AM
#112:


Dark_Arbron posted...
I just remember seeing the name Darkprince on a list someone made of kill-on-sight users

Pardon me, it seems like I've missed the point here by a long mile. It seems you are saying that people here on the board have a list of users from here that they think should be killed on sight?

hockeybub89 posted...
People need to earn the privlege of knowing personal things from others.

I don't think you should volunteer that kind of information after sex/hide it from people you're sleeping with.

hockeybub89 posted...
You hate trans people and think HIPAA doesn't apply to them

Stop saying that discussing anything that is not directly championing support of anything a trans person does means you hate the entire community.

It would be the same if a black guy had sex with a blind white woman in the KKK who didn't want to have sex with a black man.
Did she enjoy it? Probably. Did she even notice? Besides the point, under these (admittedly slightly contrived and specific ) circumstances, he should have informed her.

I am sure I will be labelled as anti trans now, but I could understand if someone was outraged after finding out their hookup or partner was trans.
Now I can't really stop them or control it. And maybe to some it doesn't matter. No one is saying trans people need to wear an identifer or carry medical papers.

But it's ok and not anti trans to not be attracted to trans women, or for trans to be a turnoff. You can still acknowledge them or anyone as a human being and still not want to bang them.

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Barber102
10/03/23 10:09:46 AM
#113:


Torgo posted...
I'm skeptical, but for now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Just know that I'm aware anyone can claim anything on an anonymous online forum.

It's super sus that you would downplay the very specific threat of violence trans women face as "oh well, people get murdered for all sorts of things" attitude.

I have mixed race children, theyre lives have been under threat based on the fact that they are half black. I dont raise my children to be to afraid to live, I teach them to be proactive and live safe lives. Different mindsets I suppose.

living in fear is not truly living, the world has always had shit heads, and it always will.

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Umbreon
10/03/23 10:11:21 AM
#114:


Sega9599 posted...
Pardon me, it seems like I've missed the point here by a long mile. It seems you are saying that people here on the board have a list of users from here that they think should be killed on sight?


Not literally killed, but banned once discovered. Reserved for the very worse users that have proven an unwillingness to play nice.

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Lillymon
10/03/23 10:12:22 AM
#115:


https://youtu.be/-1qju6V1jLM?si=fJvV10g3_Vp2C5Gt

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Sega9599
10/03/23 10:13:06 AM
#116:


Umbreon posted...
Not literally killed, but banned once discovered. Reserved for the very worse users that have proven an unwillingness to play nice.

Oh right, I wasn't sure how far people mean it, as if they have a list of people they literally wish stopped breathing

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Tom_Joad
10/03/23 10:13:47 AM
#117:


Eu no entendo isso...

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Crimson_Corsair
10/03/23 10:28:47 AM
#118:


Kimbos_Egg posted...
rape by deception.


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BombermanGold
10/03/23 10:30:14 AM
#119:


Sega9599 posted...
Oh right, I wasn't sure how far people mean it, as if they have a list of people they literally wish stopped breathing

It's an old thing that used to be an open thing years ago where once a user that was previously banned was rediscovered on an alt, the alt gets got on the spot (hence the term KoS).

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WalkingPlague
10/03/23 10:34:16 AM
#120:


thats not cool.

to each their own, hopefully said person in the article stays safe because its a sick world we live in.

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Crimson_Corsair
10/03/23 10:34:26 AM
#121:


Why did they get rid of the KoS list anyways? Was that an Allen decision?

Wasn't Error talking about trying to bring it back not to long ago?

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Sega9599
10/03/23 10:35:12 AM
#122:


BombermanGold posted...
It's an old thing that used to be an open thing years ago where once a user that was previously banned was rediscovered on an alt, the alt gets got on the spot (hence the term KoS).

I've been active on GFAQS since 2007 and I'm still learning lol

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NatsuSama
10/03/23 10:46:49 AM
#123:


mustachedmystic posted...
Meanwhile, if a man doesnt tell a woman every aspect of his sex life, up to and include including every mastabutory experience before having sexwith her, its rape. According to some people.
I see no one going around saying this. Making hyperbolic bad comparisons like this isnt helping anyone's point.

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DnDer
10/03/23 10:56:53 AM
#124:


@Crimson_Corsair, neither you, nor Kimbo, nor anyone else has been able to explain how that would rise to the criminal definition of rape that you're going to accuse trans people of.

Since you're the latest one to say it, would you mind being the first one to explain it?

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Smackems
10/03/23 10:57:42 AM
#125:


Turbam posted...
Here we go again
You have to say "aw, shit" first

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bsp77
10/03/23 10:59:30 AM
#126:


NatsuSama posted...
I see no one going around saying this. Making hyperbolic bad comparisons like this isnt helping anyone's point.
Seriously. I was about to say this

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Barber102
10/03/23 11:03:32 AM
#127:


DnDer posted...
@Crimson_Corsair, neither you, nor Kimbo, nor anyone else has been able to explain how that would rise to the criminal definition of rape that you're going to accuse trans people of.

Since you're the latest one to say it, would you mind being the first one to explain it?

idk right wingers are constantly getting arrested for sexual assault, rape and pedophilia. With their track record they have to be the foremost experts on the subject right?

Since people here cant seem read and comprehend things properly. This is a joke, fuck right wingers and if anyone doesnt believe me my posting history is available too comb through.

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COVxy
10/03/23 11:04:24 AM
#128:


NatsuSama posted...
I see no one going around saying this. Making hyperbolic bad comparisons like this isnt helping anyone's point.

If you take two seconds to think this whole situation out, it becomes obvious that the reason this matters to someone is that they don't consider a transwoman to be an actual woman. And it turns out that it's almost exclusively in that circumstance that this conversation pops up (a cis man being "decieved" by a transwoman).

There's a good reason why the go to response tends to be something like "is it now bigoted to not sleep with men if you are heterosexual?!"

Anyway, them openly mocking the alternative is totally reasonable. Nobody is turned off by a transwoman after having initially been really into her, and sleeping with her, and then learning she's trans unless you think "gross, I just had sex with a man", implicitly or explicitly.

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NatsuSama
10/03/23 11:12:58 AM
#129:


COVxy posted...
If you take two seconds to think this whole situation out, it becomes obvious that the reason this matters to someone is that they don't consider a transwoman to be an actual woman. And it turns out that it's almost exclusively in that circumstance that this conversation pops up (a cis man being "decieved" by a transwoman).

There's a good reason why the go to response tends to be something like "is it now bigoted to not sleep with men if you are heterosexual?!"

Anyway, them openly mocking the alternative is totally reasonable. Nobody is turned off by a transwoman after having initially been really into her, and sleeping with her, and then learning she's trans unless you think "gross, I just had sex with a man", implicitly or explicitly.
Being serious with such a bad comparison is not even kind of helping your point. Unless your soul reason for making a bad comparison is to resonate with those who already agree with you.

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COVxy
10/03/23 11:15:31 AM
#130:


NatsuSama posted...
Being serious with such a bad comparison is not even kind of helping your point. Unless your soul reason for making a bad comparison is to resonate with those who already agree with you.

I think you don't understand their posts.

It's deliberately ridiculous because the point is to take the alternative seriously. If it's not a factor of transphobia, then it's just something that someone had done in the past, something roughly irrelevant. So any real comparison using this alternative just comes out sounding like a Seinfeld episode.

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NatsuSama
10/03/23 11:16:53 AM
#131:


COVxy posted...
think you don't understand they're posts.

It's deliberately ridiculous because the point is to take the alternative seriously.
I understand the ridiculous comparison completely. It doesn't help his or hers point in making that bad comparison.

Unless your soul reason for making a bad comparison is to resonate with those who already agree with you. Because it's certainly not helping those who don't see this as transphobic, to now see a satire level comparison and go, "ah, now I see why this is transphobic."

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Dungeater
10/03/23 11:17:52 AM
#132:


tc sure makes a lot of threads about trans ppl he deems to be acting incorrectly

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ironman2009
10/03/23 11:18:21 AM
#133:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/1/1/AAa0vfAAE4uP.jpg

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COVxy
10/03/23 11:18:52 AM
#134:


NatsuSama posted...
I understand the ridiculous comparison completely. It doesn't help his or hers point in making that bad comparison.

Unless your soul reason for making a bad comparison is to resonate with those who already agree with you.

Again, it's simply taking the claims others have made seriously, and showing that it's fucking ridiculous.

It's not a bad comparison that they are making, it's the comparison that the "other side" is stating without explicitly stating it.

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NatsuSama
10/03/23 11:26:32 AM
#135:


COVxy posted...
Again, it's simply taking the claims others have made seriously, and showing that it's fucking ridiculous.

It's not a bad comparison that they are making, it's the comparison that the "other side" is stating without explicitly stating it.
There's way too much to unpack with that bad comparison that thinks it's being clever. The only thing you are doing is resonating with individuals who already agree with you.

Just the simple conversation of not wanting to have sex with a transperson is not agreed upon as hating trans people and wanting them all to die like some go as far as to argue if you dont want to have sex with them. If you wish to tell yourself that making bad comparisons it's cleverly reaching those who don't already agree with you, more power to you.

At this point we are talking in circles, as we do not agree bad comparisons that box this highly controversial discussion. Everyones stance on this is not the ridiculous binary stance some characterize it to be, and the bad satirical comparisons being used that boils it down to, DTF or you hate trans people.

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KitKats
10/03/23 11:27:25 AM
#136:


This is exactly the type of rhetoric that leads to trans people getting beaten and/or murdered, who are 4x more likely than cis people to experience violent assault, and it plays into the gay/trans panic defense and stereotypes that trans people are trying to trick people (t-word slur.)

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COVxy
10/03/23 11:28:31 AM
#137:


NatsuSama posted...
There's way too much to unpack with that bad comparison that thinks it's being clever. The only thing you are doing is resonating with individuals who already agree with you.

Just the simple conversation of not wanting to have sex with a transperson is not agreed upon as hating trans people and wanting them all to die like some go as far as to argue if you dont want to have sex with them. If you wish to tell yourself that making bad comparisons it's cleverly reaching those who don't already agree with you, more power to you.

At this point we are talking in circles, as we do not agree bad comparisons that box this highly controversial discussion into a ridiculous binary stance or the bad satirical comparisons are used.


So if you are disgusted or upset after finding out you had sex with a transwoman, what other reason could there be besides "i just had sex with a man"?

Please, explicitly state why. No vague run arounds. Why does someone being trans turn you off?

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Dungeater
10/03/23 11:30:03 AM
#138:


no one is owed anyone elses superficial medical history

close da thread

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Returning_CEmen
10/03/23 11:31:02 AM
#139:


Wait so its a woman thats transitioning to male and doesnt want to tell the straight guys shes transitioning to male?

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KiwiTerraRizing
10/03/23 11:31:26 AM
#140:


So glad I dont have to date anymore. I boomeranged my dick around before tinder became a thing and am married now.

No pregnancies, no VD and none of the strange ever came looking for me.

Free and clear.


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NatsuSama
10/03/23 11:32:00 AM
#141:


@COVxy
See my last post.

We are talking in circles and your questions boil down to the same problem I already addressed.

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NoxObscuras
10/03/23 11:33:12 AM
#142:


So I'm not about to read through the entire 134+ posts of this topic, but has the article in post #10 been talked about yet? In the article, the person says:

Im a 35-year-old transmasc nonbinary person

Im transmasc and just started testosterone.

I have at least six months before I start to show signs of transition, and part of me wants to take advantage of that by going after cis, straight guys as a woman. A little fibbing comes with the anon hookup territory, I guess

So this is a person that was assigned female at birth and is just starting the process of transitioning. I'd say that's fair to not share that with randos at that stage.

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COVxy
10/03/23 11:38:40 AM
#143:


NatsuSama posted...
@COVxy
See my last post.

We are talking in circles and your questions boil down to the same problem I already addressed.

I asked you one single very straight forward question. Have you answered it somewhere in this topic? Or are you just refusing to answer?

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NatsuSama
10/03/23 11:43:01 AM
#144:


COVxy posted...
I asked you one single very straight forward question. Have you answered it somewhere in this topic? Or are you just refusing to answer?
Yes, I already told you why. We are talking in circles, and your stance has boiled this conversation into an extremely binary stance given your support of bad comparisons.

Such a stance resonates with those who agree with you, but is a non starter beyond that.

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Evil_Nice_Guy
10/03/23 11:44:33 AM
#145:


Oh don piano!
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COVxy
10/03/23 11:45:48 AM
#146:


NatsuSama posted...
Yes, I already told you why. We are talking in circles, and your stance has boiled this conversation into an extremely binary stance.

Such a stance resonates with those who agree with you, but is a non starter beyond that.


But you could prove me wrong right now. Put that egg on my face. What reason, that doesn't sound like it came from Jerry Seinfeld's mouth and isn't transphobia, leads to that reaction?

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NatsuSama
10/03/23 11:48:04 AM
#147:


COVxy posted...
But you could prove me wrong right now. Put that egg on my face. What reason, that doesn't sound like it came from Jerry Seinfeld's mouth and isn't transphobia, leads to that reaction?
I can definitely do this all day when I say, look at my last post. There's nothing to prove for reason already said.

Although I am a lil entertained you think I should care what Seinfeld said as if he's some kind of authority.

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bsp77
10/03/23 11:49:19 AM
#148:


I don't even know what the hell you two are arguing about

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NatsuSama
10/03/23 11:52:11 AM
#149:


bsp77 posted...
I don't even know what the hell you two are arguing about
That bad comparison resonating with someone who doesn't already agree with COVs thought process.

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COVxy
10/03/23 11:53:00 AM
#150:


bsp77 posted...
I don't even know what the hell you two are arguing about

The whole "fear of being tricked by a transwoman" issue directly links to transphobia, and every other excuse tends to look fucking ridicuous.

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