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GranAures
09/29/23 9:14:47 PM
#101:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I feel like only certain types would consider a thread about a pride pin to be bait. Particularly the type that would get upset over a pride pin.

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StealThisSheen
09/29/23 9:16:32 PM
#102:


Prismsblade posted...
Looked like a troll to me. Are we going to get bait topics like this everytime a pride simple is shown and some rando post about it?

What makes this bait, to you? Please explain, in detail.

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hockeybub89
09/29/23 9:17:35 PM
#103:


GranAures posted...
I feel like only certain types would consider a thread about a pride pin to be bait. Particularly the type that would get upset over a pride pin.
Always curious the people who call talking positively about queer people "bait"

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StealThisSheen
09/29/23 9:18:59 PM
#104:


I always love when certain people are like "You're baiting bigots! How unfair!"

The people that do this typically have a very known posting history. Prismsblade is no exception.

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Phoenixeater
09/30/23 5:50:41 PM
#105:


TMOG posted...
Wow you really don't like the fact that trans people exist, do you?
Yamatowas never trans you dork! Oda confirmed this twice. Even in the fucking manga it was explained that Yamato using male pronouns was because 1.) to honor the man who stood up to her abusive father and 2.) she was a victim of abuse herself by said father because he wanted a son.

AceMos posted...
@Phoenixeater bridget is canonically a transwoman
Only because of a stupid retcon that ruined 20 years of storytelling. The character was originally forced to crossdress and being possibly experimented on due to his town's stupid superstition about twins of the same gender. Bridget's entire story was about being more manly because he grew up as a girl.

The fact you two blindly accept this garbage is further proof that tourists/fake fans needed to be gatekept out of fandoms.

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GranAures
09/30/23 6:04:54 PM
#106:


Pretty sure Bridget's creator says otherwise. But you being upset over it says a lot.

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TMOG
09/30/23 6:07:47 PM
#107:


Phoenixeater posted...
Yamatowas never trans you dork! Oda confirmed this twice. Even in the fucking manga it was explained that Yamato using male pronouns was because 1.) to honor the man who stood up to her abusive father and 2.) she was a victim of abuse herself by said father because he wanted a son.

TMOG posted... The argument for Yamato being a trans man is that he refers to himself as a man, uses male pronouns, everybody around him uses male pronouns and acknowledges him as "Kaido's son", and he prefers to join the other men in gendered activities such as which public bath to use.

The argument against Yamato being a trans man is that he has boobs and a single info box refers to him as "Kaido's daughter".

TMOG posted... Wow you really don't like the fact that trans people exist, do you?


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GranAures
09/30/23 6:12:21 PM
#108:


"I'm not saying I hate trans people just that anybody who accepts Daisuke Iwatari saying Bridget is trans is a fake fan and doesn't understand the character as well as I do!"

Despite going against word of the creator.

But hey, totally not mad about a trans character.

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Phoenixeater
09/30/23 6:15:50 PM
#109:


Oh look! TMOG blocked me! How about reading the fucking manga instead of going on wikipedia or the One Piece wiki.

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The23rdMagus
09/30/23 6:16:47 PM
#110:


I mean, what was the first hint, the (admittedly awkwardly handled tent scene aside) rare pansexual representation in 4?

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GranAures
09/30/23 6:17:11 PM
#111:


Mmm, hmm.

Tell us more about how you know the character better than the company that made her.

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TMOG
09/30/23 6:21:00 PM
#112:


GranAures posted...
"I'm not saying I hate trans people just that anybody who accepts Daisuke Iwatari saying Bridget is trans is a fake fan and doesn't understand the character as well as I do!"
lol yep

"I'm not saying I hate trans people just that anybody who accepts what that character says about their gender identity rather than what outside sources say is a fake fan and doesn't understand the character as well as I do!"

Also probably not a good idea to use "Oda said" or cite a character's style of dress as a point against them being trans in One Piece, considering that with the exception of Kiku, no trans character in that series is drawn in a way that really expresses their gender (okay, I guess Ivan and Inazuma do, but that's because of Ivan's Devil Fruit -- Inazuma also always came across as definitively genderfluid to me)

Yamato, Morley, Kiku, and Izo were lucky enough to be added to the series after Oda stopped drawing trans women and cross-dressing men as... well...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/5/4/AABrRdAAE4tW.jpg

...and I think that's what's confusing so many people who don't know how to read an actual trans character that isn't just being used as an outdated, juvenile punchline.
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TMOG
09/30/23 6:21:10 PM
#113:


Phoenixeater posted...
Oh look! TMOG blocked me!
...I did? What a weird, easily disproven lie.
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AceMos
09/30/23 6:53:12 PM
#114:


Phoenixeater posted...
The character was originally forced to crossdress and being possibly experimented on
ok first of all bridget was happy to dress as a girl she only tried to prove her "manlyness" to make her parents happy this comes from her debut game by the way

she was always told she is a boy by her parents she was never gaslight in any way shape or form

2nd of all what fuck do you mean experimented on that is never stated anywhere in guilty gear lore

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mehmeh1
09/30/23 9:19:46 PM
#115:


TMOG posted...
Yamato, Morley, Kiku, and Izo were lucky enough to be added to the series after Oda stopped drawing trans women and cross-dressing men as... well...
Slight correction, but pretty sure Izo isn't trans, everyone uses he for him

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TMOG
09/30/23 11:39:12 PM
#116:


mehmeh1 posted...
Slight correction, but pretty sure Izo isn't trans, everyone uses he for him
Oh I know, that's why I included trans women and cross-dressing men.
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Ricemills
10/01/23 3:19:38 AM
#117:


In anime Subculture, Yamato is an "Orekko" character, a variation of "Bokukko".

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GranAures
10/01/23 4:58:04 AM
#118:


AceMos posted...
2nd of all what fuck do you mean experimented on that is never stated anywhere in guilty gear lore
Outside of extrapolation based on Bridget's parents being scoentist, which I'm not even sure I'm remembering right on that front, there isn't.

Otherwise the story as presented is that Bridget's parents moved into the village and had twins. To avoid a local superstition concerning same sex twins that would have required them throw away one of their children they instead raised and present Bridget as their daughter to protect both of their children and later told Bridget this. At this point is when Bridget set out for their own identity and went into bounty hunting effectively to prove that there was nothing bad about same sex twins to the village and proving to be not a walking disaster from the funds from bounty hunting being sent back to the village they villagers discarded the superstition.

This of course didn't solve the core issue of who Bridget was to Bridget which is where Strive's story is culminating in Bridget accepting her identity and being assured by Kai that her true friends will accept her just as his true friends still accepted him despite becoming a gear.

So I find it funny the guy calling others fake fans missed that last little part.

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AceMos
10/01/23 5:11:23 AM
#119:


GranAures posted...
Outside of extrapolation based on Bridget's parents being scoentist, which I'm not even sure I'm remembering right on that front, there isn't.

Otherwise the story as presented is that Bridget's parents moved into the village and had twins. To avoid a local superstition concerning same sex twins that would have required them throw away one of their children they instead raised and present Bridget as their daughter to protect both of their children and later told Bridget this. At this point is when Bridget set out for their own identity and went into bounty hunting effectively to prove that there was nothing bad about same sex twins to the village and proving to be not a walking disaster from the funds from bounty hunting being sent back to the village they villagers discarded the superstition.

This of course didn't solve the core issue of who Bridget was to Bridget which is where Strive's story is culminating in Bridget accepting her identity and being assured by Kai that her true friends will accept her just as his true friends still accepted him despite becoming a gear.

So I find it funny the guy calling others fake fans missed that last little part.
exactly

bridgetts back story is one of those things you hear about and then when you actually look into it you go oh thats kinda boring

like its just her parents have her wear girl clothes thats it and she never once complained about it she was always told the truth it was her parents feeling guilty about everything that caused her to set out to debunk the superstition

and the moment she debunks the superstition she stops and thinks about herself and thats when her dysphoria hits like a truck


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spikethedevil
10/01/23 6:40:44 AM
#120:


So is Bridget transgender? Sorry only just started getting into GG in any meaningful way.

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DnDer
10/01/23 7:08:29 AM
#121:


spikethedevil posted...
So is Bridget transgender? Sorry only just started getting into GG in any meaningful way.

That's word of God, yep.

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GranAures
10/01/23 7:22:29 AM
#122:


DnDer posted...
That's word of God, yep.
Word of God that they confirmed as well that while it was the intended direction they were fine leaving it ambiguous.

Until shitheels started making up shit at which point they were like "Nah fam, this is how it be."

So the folks trying to call it fake and discredit Bridget being trans were the ones who gave us the confirmation.

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spikethedevil
10/01/23 7:39:12 AM
#123:


GranAures posted...
Word of God that they confirmed as well that while it was the intended direction they were fine leaving it ambiguous.

Until shitheels started making up shit at which point they were like "Nah fam, this is how it be."

So the folks trying to call it fake and discredit Bridget being trans were the ones who gave us the confirmation.

Bigots shooting themselves in the foot shocker.

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ViewtifulGrave
10/01/23 7:47:37 AM
#124:


_Raich_ posted...
There's a fair argument to use whichever you want for Yamato given how (poorly) Oda wrote that situation
Oda was very straightforward with Yamato. People just want to see want they want.

Being trans isnt a choice. Yamato says that she chose to be a man because Oden is a man. Yamato is just larping as Oden because she was inspired by him. Also her intro card say daughter of Kaidou.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/5/AAU2gcAAE4zn.jpg

She was inspired by Odens death, his journal became her bible, and she wants to carry on his will.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/6/AAU2gcAAE4zo.jpg

For Yamato its all about being Oden. Even as a kid.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/7/AAU2gcAAE4zp.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/5/8/AAU2gcAAE4zq.jpg

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StarSpangled
10/03/23 5:21:20 PM
#125:


StealThisSheen posted...
I always love when certain people are like "You're baiting bigots! How unfair!"

The people that do this typically have a very known posting history. Prismsblade is no exception.
Glad someone else noticed that dude

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