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https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-implications-on-national-security-public-safety-and-government-transparency/

Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency

Starts in less than 15 minutes, grab your popcorn folks ? ? ? ?

I've been following this on and off and I don't think we're going to get any new information or any type of legislature that will lead towards full UAP disclosure, regardless of whether it's NHI or just experimental prototypes.

The one thing that I find very interesting is how bipartisan this issue is. You have Democratic and Republican figures known for constantly talking shit and name dropping each other who are all in agreement that in the very slightest, Americans need to know what exactly so much funding is going into. You have AOC and Matt Gaetz/Ted Cruz sharing the same opinions which is crazy in today's political climate.

It'd be cool to learn intelligent life is out there, but there is a less than 0% chance it has visited Earth and any of these phenomena are extraterrestrial.

Bump for later.

Um.... this says the 26th.

Heineken14 posted...

Um.... this says the 26th.

Yeah well it's the 26th in the future where TC made this topic using the alien time travel technology.

Heineken14 posted...

Um.... this says the 26th.

Lol thanks, will be here tomorrow then.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Yeah well it's the 26th in the future where TC made this topic using the alien time travel technology.

Thanks Obama

Tell you what won't be here tomorrow: aliens

Not tomorrow, and not any other day either.

Heineken14 posted...

It'd be cool to learn intelligent life is out there, but there is a less than 0% chance it has visited Earth and any of these phenomena are extraterrestrial.

alien civilizations could be several orders of magnitude older than ours. look at how we've advanced over the last 100 years. then 1000. they could be 10 million years ahead of us. the arrogance some of us have about what alien life is capable of is staggering.

Medussa posted...

alien civilizations could be several orders of magnitude older than ours. look at how we've advanced over the last 100 years. then 1000. they could be 10 million years ahead of us. the arrogance some of us have about what alien life is capable of is staggering.

True. Doesn't do anything to the fact that aliens haven't visited Earth.

Heineken14 posted...

True. Doesn't do anything to the fact that aliens haven't visited Earth.

Viewing the current UAP/"NHI" topic only in the context of aliens being inside a craft and visiting Earth is just as silly as thinking there are aliens in flying saucers making crop circles and abducting cows with tractor beams.

There are a number of theories and possibilities as to what all of the modern (post-2004 situations/craft) UAP/NHI craziness is, but the two most realistic possibilities still don't make much sense. If they were highly experimental aircraft being tested, that would imply that the government and/or private companies have had access to engineering, propulsion and energy technology several decades beyond what even the most cutting edge Skunkworks projects of today are capable of. I can't imagine anyone sitting on this technology and not trying to profit off of it or use it to gain military superiority.

The other possibility is that these are foreign (terrestrial) aircraft from a country with significant military funding. We know now that it sure as hell couldn't be Russia, and if it were Chinese technology, again, it makes no sense for them to not put it to immediate use to gain military superiority or at least highly profit off it in a number of fields.

Realistically it's not the common perception of extraterrestrials, it's not Russian tech, and it's not Chinese tech. What other theories or conclusions could be made based off the information and data we know so far?

CRON posted...

Viewing the current UAP/"NHI" topic only in the context of aliens being inside a craft and visiting Earth is just as silly

Who said I'm doing that?

Heineken14 posted...

Who said I'm doing that?

What's your theory as to what the phenomenon is?

CRON posted...

I've been following this on and off and I don't think we're going to get any new information or any type of legislature that will lead towards full UAP disclosure, regardless of whether it's NHI or just experimental prototypes.

The one thing that I find very interesting is how bipartisan this issue is. You have Democratic and Republican figures known for constantly talking shit and name dropping each other who are all in agreement that in the very slightest, Americans need to know what exactly so much funding is going into. You have AOC and Matt Gaetz/Ted Cruz sharing the same opinions which is crazy in today's political climate.

Congress is not okay with the fact that there are Government programs they are not in the loop on which was a big thing whistleblowers informed them about.

In for project blue beam

CRON posted...

What other theories or conclusions could be made based off the information and data we know so far?

They could be living things we just haven't really studied.

They could be fellow residents of this Planet that are beyond us technologically.

If they *were* foreign tech or even our own tech then their abilities are so far beyond what we know as top of the line technology there would be a lot of questions to answer as to why it's being hidden from people. Aliens, crazy life we don't know about, advanced civilization that shares Earth with us, Aliens that share Earth with us, just us having crazy technology... whatever it ends up being it's happening and our Government (along with others) are spending a shitload of money and going so far as to hide their activities from Congress itself to keep it hidden from the rest of us.

CRON posted...

What's your theory as to what the phenomenon is?

That it's shit from Earth that is being captured/viewed from angles that make things appear deceptive, be it object shape, movement, or speed.

I think people who think aliens/technology have visited Earth don't quite grasp how absurdly massive the universe is.

Heineken14 posted...

That it's shit from Earth that is being captured/viewed from angles that make things appear deceptive, be it object shape, movement, or speed.

I think people who think aliens/technology have visited Earth don't quite grasp how absurdly massive the universe is.

I'm curious about the mindset of people who absolutely refuse to even entertain the idea that it's happened. They reach for everything to say "No it could never happen. It has never happened and it never will happen."

Heineken14 posted...

That it's shit from Earth that is being captured/viewed from angles that make things appear deceptive, be it object shape, movement, or speed.

Sticking with the facts here, evidence from multiple independent sensor platforms definitively disputes this.

Hopefully this time Asari are confirmed.

Strider102 posted...

Hopefully this time Asari are confirmed.

You know they don't really look like that right...

Vyrulisse posted...

You know they don't really look like that right...

Still worth it

Vyrulisse posted...

I'm curious about the mindset of people who absolutely refuse to even entertain the idea that it's happened. They reach for everything to say "No it could never happen. It has never happened and it never will happen."

Because lightspeed is the fastest way to travel and nothing has shown a physical object can travel that fast. Taking years to travel to any mudball isn't worth it when its outside your galaxy. What species is willing to waste decades of their lives roaming around for shits and giggles.

name_unknown posted...

Because lightspeed is the fastest way to travel and nothing has shown a physical object can travel that fast. Taking years to travel to any mudball isn't worth it when its outside your galaxy. What species is willing to waste decades of their lives roaming around for shits and giggles.

And yet these objects have observed capabilities that defy our understanding of physics based on the evidence, and which are consistent with an ability to manipulate space/time around the object or craft in order to perform as they do.

We dont know that these are aliens, but they demonstrate intelligence and technology far beyond anything known humans have achieved.

Just because a warp field is mathematically possible, it doesn't mean that the resources needed to do make one even exist.

name_unknown posted...

Because lightspeed is the fastest way to travel and nothing has shown a physical object can travel that fast. Taking years to travel to any mudball isn't worth it when its outside your galaxy. What species is willing to waste decades of their lives roaming around for shits and giggles.

We already have theories about how interstellar travel could be possible without light speed. Our understanding of physics and how the universe functions isn't the end all be all. Since our brightest minds are working on the issue of space travel every day and have theories who is to say another civilization hasn't "solved" the problem? Humans tend to still think everything revolves around our existence and our speck within a million specks of time we've existed.

We don't know what these things are

Why jump to the conclusion that they're aliens?

Ar0ge posted...

We don't know what these things are

Why jump to the conclusion that they're aliens?

Yeah, for all we know these craft could be some form of highly advanced AI.

KitKats posted...

Yeah, for all we know these craft could be some form of highly advanced AI.

Or they could be nothing.

Which is what they are.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Or they could be nothing.

Which is what they are.

No, we know from the evidence it has been confirmed UAP are solid physical objects/craft in many of the cases.

KitKats posted...

And yet these objects have observed capabilities that defy our understanding of physics based on the evidence, and which are consistent with an ability to manipulate space/time around the object or craft in order to perform as they do.

Do you have a source that goes into detail about the evidence for this?

action52 posted...

Do you have a source that goes into detail about the evidence for this?

You can watch the hearings yourself, weve already had several before the one tomorrow.

Heres part of one hearing

https://www.youtube.com/live/Awd0KN9P_BA?feature=share

Did they change the terminology? Why tf aren't we calling them UFOs anymore?

Interesting, but I'll wait for the highlights.

Not sure what anyone's supposed to do with this information, but the American public has a right to know.

action52 posted...

Do you have a source that goes into detail about the evidence for this?

Sorry it's been awhile and I don't typically keep this stuff right at hand. Christopher Mellon is a good source; also there are some government reports, as well as other testimony from officials and experts about the evidence collected.

https://science.nasa.gov/science-red/s3fs-public/atoms/files/Sean%20Kirkpatrick%20-%201100am%20to%201130am.pdf

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles
https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/21/10/939

Crimson_Corsair posted...

Did they change the terminology? Why tf aren't we calling them UFOs anymore?

UFO Unidentified Flying Object with the verb flying implied that there was some kind of agency involved. UAP ( Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon ) nudges the notion of that and creates more opportunity for explanation ( swamp gas reflections).

Crimson_Corsair posted...

Did they change the terminology? Why tf aren't we calling them UFOs anymore?

They needed to rebrand the grift due to declining interest.

Vyrulisse posted...

I'm curious about the mindset of people who absolutely refuse to even entertain the idea that it's happened. They reach for everything to say "No it could never happen. It has never happened and it never will happen."

Where did I do that?

Here is my thinking on aliens.

I think it's almost guaranteed that intelligent life exists somewhere. Whether or not there are any species, currently alive, that have the technology to come here, is another matter. It may not even be possible to produce technology capable of transporting living beings such distances. But if it is, then it's definitely possible that they've come here.

However, if they have come here, and they wanted us to know about them, we'd know. So if they have come here, they must have a policy of observing us without being seen. And if they have the ability to come here, they probably have technology capable of things we can't imagine, and are able to easily hide themselves 100% from us. They're not going to be riding around in flying ships that resemble what we have on earth. So even if aliens are here, I tend to think any UFOs or UAPs or whatever we see are not them. It's more likely that they are human-made or natural phenomena that have some logical, earth-based explanation.

One possibility that has occurred to me is that aliens are incapable of coming here because it's too far, but there is an alien civilization that has developed some kind of super advanced drone technology that they are using to collect data on all planets capable of life in this little sector of the galaxy.

But that raises the question of why we haven't noticed them until now. It's extremely unlikely that they just started observing us in recent years. So why don't we have clear video or photos of them? Why don't we have eyewitness accounts going back decades (or hell, throughout human history) describing these the way they are? Maybe because satellite tech has evolved to the point where we can take high quality video all over the world? That's possible, although I would expect us to have some images showing these the way they are.

So while I'm open to possibility, I still think some earth-bound explanation that we don't know yet is the most likely. If aliens or their technology are here, we'll probably know for certain as our own technology progresses.

action52 posted...

So while I'm open to possibility, I still think some earth-bound explanation that we don't know yet is the most likely.

This is more specifically about instances of UAP that have had prosaic explanations ruled out based on the evidence. There have been a number of near collisions, not to mention opsec.

That's possible, although I would expect us to have some images showing these the way they are.

The government does but its classified.

action52 posted...

But that raises the question of why we haven't noticed them until now. It's extremely unlikely that they just started observing us in recent years. So why don't we have clear video or photos of them? Why don't we have eyewitness accounts going back decades (or hell, throughout human history) describing these the way they are? Maybe because satellite tech has evolved to the point where we can take high quality video all over the world? That's possible, although I would expect us to have some images showing these the way they are.

The current UAP/NHI concept is separate from the flying saucer concept. Flying saucers were mostly seen in the late 40s-70s and it's generally agreed upon that they were experimental stealth craft prototypes which evolved into certain strategic bombers similar to the B2 Spirit and drones.

The technology currently being questioned are (mostly) spherical objects that have the ability to pick up very high speeds and move in any possible direction at a moment's notice while being able to maneuver between land, sea and low orbit. This would suggest that these objects are the result of engineering, propulsion and energy technology that would be too advanced for any time period they've been observed. This specific type of object has been spotted going back as far as the late renaissance era, though one could make the claim that it's a coincidental intersection with meteorological phenomenon that wasn't known at the time as well as artistic depictions being too subjective and vague.

The reason why there's been so much attention towards the topic is because a few years ago the government released several FLIR videos of these crafts being spotted as early as 2004 which opened the floodgate for other breadcrumbs of information being revealed. Now we're at the point where we have whistleblowers and high-ranking officials giving consistent testimony on the topic. The one consistent thing throughout everything is that these seem to be the same type of craft with the same capabilities.

My money's on three explanations; the last being a far stretch:

• UAP are highly advanced engineering feats that have been kept under wraps due to how their technology would disrupt the global market if they were known and widespread (big energy, major aerospace engineering, etc.)
• UAP are highly advanced American/Chinese military tech that will gradually become public and integrated into various fields due to either party's growing fear of potentially losing technological and military superiority over the other
• UAP are autonomous/semi-autonomous drones with extraterrestrial or cryptoterrestrial (Earth-based but not from any currently known societies) origin

* UAP are autonomous/semi-autonomous drones with extraterrestrial or cryptoterrestrial (Earth-based but not from any currently known societies) origin

99.9998% its not this. And in the .0002% it is, 99.999999999999999999.8% its cryptoterrestial. Cool word, never seen it.

mustachedmystic posted...

99.9998% its not this. And in the .0002% it is, 99.999999999999999999.8% its cryptoterrestial. Cool word, never seen it.

What's your own theory on what they could be?

CRON posted...

What's your own theory on what they could be?

The only plausible ones, that it is human technology, or some kind of natural phenomenon that we do not understand.

Even if FTL travel is impossible, there is still a way aliens could reach us. Generation Ships. I mean people admit alien civilizations could be millions of years old. They could have sent ships to us the slow way and they would get here by now, depending on where they started

Zikten posted...

Even if FTL travel is impossible, there is still a way aliens could reach us. Generation Ships. I mean people admit alien civilizations could be millions of years old. They could have sent ships to us the slow way and they would get here by now, depending on where they started

Never thought of that, now I wonder if I ever will stop thinking of it, lol.
Edit: after second thought, I think it would be impossible. You couldnt possibly carry enough resources to travel between systems if you are bound by c.

mustachedmystic posted...

The only plausible ones, that it is human technology, or some kind of natural phenomenon that we do not understand.

If its human technology, it wouldve had to have been reverse engineered from tech we didnt create based on the observed capabilities. They are not only capable of defying our understanding of physics with their movement, but can do so for days at a time and with no visible propulsion. These are also trans medium vehicles that can go from low orbit to underwater as if its not even there. This is why they are throwing around terminology like NHI (nonhuman intelligence.) We also know these are in many cases solid objects or vehicles from multiple independent sensor readings, and not natural phenomena as they demonstrate intelligence with their movement and reactions, breaking weapon locks, etc.