Current Events > C/D The Nintendo 64 is still the greatest console ever made.

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The literal Wii U was better than that shit

D. Its the PS2. The Snes being a close 2nd with the DS being a close 3rd only because the original could play gba games.

Hard D. It doesnt even come close to the SNES or PS2.

This is a topic Duncan would make lol.

The greatest console was the PS1. So many great games.

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SNES 4 Life

Objectively no, but I have a major soft spot for it. Games like Banjo-Kazooie, I dont think well ever get anything quite like them again. Indie developers show that making a good game in 3D is hard.

D

No Metroid game which wouldve been perfect with the controller.

I went back and looked through the N64 library recently and was surprised by how few titles there were that I wanted to play. It's like Wii U levels of barren. Never mind how poorly they've aged.

It's all short bursts of nostalgia.

foreverzero212 posted...

I went back and looked through the N64 library recently and was surprised by how few titles there were that I wanted to play.

Exactly. With me, it is roughly three games. Gamecube by comparison has only one.

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Seriously though, other than Metroid Prime and Melee, what exactly did the Gamecube do better. No Mercy>DoR, Ocarina>Windwaker, Mario 64>Sunshine, Star Fox 64>Adventures.

Ill agree No Mercy is the best wrestling game, but Windwaker has aged far better than Ocarina and Majoras Mask.

Ocarina is incredibly overrated if you go back and try to play it. The combat is all about waiting. The Iron Knuckle fights are the only exception to this, and there are barely any of those.

D, the SNES was.

The worst Nintendo console barring MAYBE the Wii U

Lion_of_Gemini posted...

C. Its classic platformers and adventure games (Zelda, Mario, Banjo, etc.) and its other cult classics are unmatched even today.

C.

the analog stick, mario 64, OoT, and other n64 contributions like that shaped 3D gaming for decades to come.

SMAP- posted...

The worst Nintendo console barring MAYBE the Wii U

No, it had a lot of great games.
Mario 64
Donkey Kong 64
Conker's BFD
Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tooie
GoldenEye
Perfect Dark
Diddy Kong Racing
Ogre Battle 64
Mario Kart 64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Pokemon Stadium
et al

People saying X and Y is dated/didnt she well are missing the point.

stuff like OoTs Z-targeting revolutionized gaming. And there would be no WW or even BOTW without MM. the 3D platformer genre, and maybe even 3D gaming alltogether wouldnt have been the same without Mario 64. This was a revolution, while games like WW and smash bros in the GC were more like evolution.

sure, street fighter 3 or mortal kombat 2 look better than SF2 or MK1, but there is no denying that the latter had a bigger impact on their respective franchises and genre, for example.

TyVulpine posted...

No, it had a lot of great games.
Mario 64
Donkey Kong 64
Conker's BFD
Banjo-Kazooie
Banjo-Tooie
GoldenEye
Perfect Dark
Diddy Kong Racing
Ogre Battle 64
Mario Kart 64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Pokemon Stadium
et al

Thats not a lot my dude. Compare it to the number of great games on SNES, PS1, PS2, etc.

PraetorXyn posted...

Thats not a lot my dude. Compare it to the number of great games on SNES, PS1, PS2, etc.

fair enough.

but how consoles had games as impactful and influential as those, though?

D.

Great system, though, in my opinion.

Nah, man. Nah

MyMainAccount posted...

I can't be bothered to mention all the games I really enjoyed but I can't believe you forgot Mischief Makers, bro, Mischief Makers.

Honestly never even heard of it.

D. Gamecube imo

Nothing will ever top the sheer weird factor that a lot of GameCube titles had. Pikmin, Luigis Mansion, Mario Sunshine, Chibi Robo, Cubivore, Doshin the Giant, Animal Crossing, Wind Waker, Wario Ware. It was a time where things were just so out of left field and I adore it

D, not even close. SNES was better. I had a lot of fun growing up with it, but I don't ever go back and play N64 games now.

I also like the GameCube better too, but I know that system wasn't the most popular.

I like and got a good amount of enjoyment from the N64 back in the day, and and it did have some awesome games.

But lolno easy D

N64 is one of the weaker Nintendo consoles, losing to any other one except maaaybe the NES

D. One of those systems that is hugely overrated and hugely underrated. Nowhere close to being the greatest system ever. Genesis all the way.

Not even the best Nintendo system either. That would be the NES.

Quake-64 posted...

fair enough.

but how consoles had games as impactful and influential as those, though?

Which ones are you considering impactful?

The 3D platformers were largely just transitions of 2D platformers to 3D, and as far as I can remember they all had terrible camera controls and other issues. None have aged as well as their 2D predecessors.

GoldenEye and Perfect Dark were basically just poor attempts to make first person shooters available on a console. Comparing GoldenEye to Quake, which released a year earlier, and Quake 2, which released a few months later, the differences are pretty stark. Comparing Perfect Dark to Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament, which released the previous year, the differences are far more stark.

OoT was basically a transition of A Link to the Past to 3D, and Majoras Mask was a riff on that. Both are objectively worse than ALttP if you take off the nostalgia goggles and actually critically evaluate them, and neither has aged anywhere near as well as ALttP. This is a pretty good video on the subject.
https://youtu.be/XOC3vixnj_0

I didnt play Stadium, but my understanding is that it was a transition to 3D of a comsole Pokmon coliseum fighter. It took them until the Switch to do another home console Pokmon as far as Im aware, as I dont play that series (I played Pokmon Snap I borrowed from a friend, but I consider Pokmon Babbies First Shin Megami Tensei, as the Megaten games came long before Pokmon and use cool demons instead of baby monsters).

Mario Kart 64 was basically a transition of SuoermMsrio Kart to 3D, and Diddy Kong Racing was an admittedly excellent riff on that. But Kurt racers besides Mario Kart pretty much died, somId hardly call them impactful.

Making the transition to 3D was inevitable and hardly something worth crediting the 64 for. The bottom line is Nintendo shot themselves in the dick when they decided to stick with 32 MB cartridges to control and nickel and dime developers, despite SquareSoft begging them not to. The 64 literally only had 388 games if you combine all versions of all games for all regions. They pretty much destroyed their third party support with a single boneheaded decision, and they deserve to be ridiculed for it.

MagnusDJL posted...

N64 is one of the weaker Nintendo consoles, losing to any other one except maaaybe the NES

Imo not even that, the NES had so many crazy good third party games along with the usual 1st party stuff that there is no way the N64 could compete in this department. Magic of scheherazade, shatterhand, shadow of the ninja (blue shadow in EU), goddamn tiny tunes or basically whatever capcom, koonami, square and enix was putting out, a lot of technos stuff like double dragon 2/super dodge ball/river city ransom, SNK stuff like crystalis and guerilla war, adventures of lolo, the guardian legend, blaster master, tecmo games like super tecmo bowl and the ninja gaiden trilogy, iron tank, 1943, etc etc.

Man we can go on a good while about good 3rd party NES games, lol. It def. had it's fair share of shovelware though, but still the support was serious.

Imo the only real comparison for the last place main nintendo console would be the Wii U. I do think the N64 is over the Wii U though. The vast majority of the wii u's greatest hits got mass ported to the switch so it's main legacy it has right now is like......xenoblade chronicles x and a few indies. That and modding it.

PraetorXyn posted...

Thats not a lot my dude. Compare it to the number of great games on SNES, PS1, PS2, etc.

I was just listing games off the top of my head. And it's always been quality over quantity anyway.

PraetorXyn posted...

Which ones are you considering impactful?

The 3D platformers were largely just transitions of 2D platformers to 3D, and as far as I can remember they all had terrible camera controls and other issues. None have aged as well as their 2D predecessors.

GoldenEye and Perfect Dark were basically just poor attempts to make first person shooters available on a console. Comparing GoldenEye to Quake, which released a year earlier, and Quake 2, which released a few months later, the differences are pretty stark. Comparing Perfect Dark to Quake 3 Arena and Unreal Tournament, which released the previous year, the differences are far more stark.

OoT was basically a transition of A Link to the Past to 3D, and Majoras Mask was a riff on that. Both are objectively worse than ALttP if you take off the nostalgia goggles and actually critically evaluate them, and neither has aged anywhere near as well as ALttP. This is a pretty good video on the subject.
https://youtu.be/XOC3vixnj_0

I didnt play Stadium, but my understanding is that it was a transition to 3D of a comsole Pokmon coliseum fighter. It took them until the Switch to do another home console Pokmon as far as Im aware, as I dont play that series (I played Pokmon Snap I borrowed from a friend, but I consider Pokmon Babbies First Shin Megami Tensei, as the Megaten games came long before Pokmon and use cool demons instead if baby monsters).

Mario Kart 64 was basically a transition of Super Mario Kart to 3D, and Diddy Kong Racing was an admittedly excellent riff on that. But Kurt racers besides Mario Kart pretty much died, somId hardly call them impactful.

Making the transition to 3D was inevitable and hardly something worth crediting the 64 for. The bottom line is Nintendo shot themselves in the dick when they decided to stick with 32 MB cartridges to control and nickel and dime developers, despite SquareSoft begging them not to. The 64 literally only had 388 games if you combine all versions of all games for all regions. They pretty much destroyed their third party support with a single boneheaded decision, and they deserve to be ridiculed for it.

Damn....where to start with this?
GE and Perfect Dark revolutionized FPSers, especially multiplayer modes, that games like Halo were modeled off of.
OoT and MM aren't "nostalgia goggles" games. They are both awesome in their own way and paved the way for future Zelda games.
I can't tell if your post was supposed to be satire or genuine, but either way, it's a bad take. It seems to be of the "they're old games, therefore they all suck!" opinion.

TyVulpine posted...

I was just listing games off the top of my head. And it's always been quality over quantity anyway.

That doesn't magically make the 64 any better.

TyVulpine posted...

Damn....where to start with this?
GE and Perfect Dark revolutionized FPSers, especially multiplayer modes, that games like Halo were modeled off of.
OoT and MM aren't "nostalgia goggles" games. They are both awesome in their own way and paved the way for future Zelda games.
I can't tell if your post was supposed to be satire or genuine, but either way, it's a bad take. It seems to be of the "they're old games, therefore they all suck!" opinion.

I view the post you're replying to as someone who spent too much time on the PC and can't judge stuff fairly. Quake is an amazing game, but it's not an impact changer in the way Goldeneye was. I'd put the PS1 Medal of Honor games over Quake.

This isnt a puts the N64 over the edge post but Mario Tennis holds up pretty damn well.

Nah it had Quest 64. The only saving grace was Wrestlemania 2000.

As someone who was never deep into fighting or racing games, how do the PS1 versions of these hold up?

Road Rash 64 actually may have played into the road Rash spirit. But I have played them both. The PSX had Sugar Ray before they blew up. Kid Rock before he blew up. Full on the mouth, CIV. Tea Party.....I just loved racing and failing. It felt more racing than rushing just because you had to pay attention but you did in 2 as well.

64 may have been spiritual Road Rash 2.

TyVulpine posted...

Damn....where to start with this?
GE and Perfect Dark revolutionized FPSers, especially multiplayer modes, that games like Halo were modeled off of.

No they didnt, as they werent as good as games that came out before them. Particularly Perfect Dark, as Unreal Tournament was out by then, and that revolutionized the genre.

OoT and MM aren't "nostalgia goggles" games. They are both awesome in their own way and paved the way for future Zelda games.

Yes they are. Go try to play OoT now. Every battle besides the Iron Knuckle is literally enemy is invincible, wait for it to turn around to reveal a weak spot or attack so I can dodge and counter. The enemy controls the pace of the battle for the entire game, and that makes it boring on replay.

I can't tell if your post was supposed to be satire or genuine, but either way, it's a bad take. It seems to be of the "they're old games, therefore they all suck!" opinion.

Its serious, and its not old games suck, because the even older SNES games are better than the 64 ones. I would agree to early 3D titles suck though.

sull56ivan2010 posted...

That doesn't magically make the 64 any better.

I view the post you're replying to as someone who spent too much time on the PC and can't judge stuff fairly. Quake is an amazing game, but it's not an impact changer in the way Goldeneye was. I'd put the PS1 Medal of Honor games over Quake.

I literally unlocked all cheats on GoldenEye on three separate copies of the game: mine and those of two different friends from school. I probably put hundreds of hours into that game, at least a hundred of which were multiplayer. Its mechanically no where close to as good as Quake 3 Arena or Unreal Tournament. I just didnt know any better at the time.

PraetorXyn posted...

No they didnt, as they werent as good as games that came out before them. Particularly Perfect Dark, as Unreal Tournament was out by then, and that revolutionized the genre.

Yes they are. Go try to play OoT now. Every battle besides the Iron Knuckle is literally enemy is invincible, wait for it to turn around to reveal a weak spot or attack so I can dodge and counter. The enemy controls the pace of the battle for the entire game, and that makes it boring on replay.

Its serious, and its not old games suck, because the even older SNES games are better than the 64 ones. I would agree to early 3D titles suck though.

I literally unlocked all cheats on GoldenEye on three separate copies of the game: mine and those of two different friends from school. I probably put hundreds of hours into that game, at least a hundred of which were multiplayer. Its mechanically no where close to as good as Quake 3 Arena or Unreal Tournament. I just didnt know any better at the time.

Take off the hate blinders, dude.

TyVulpine posted...

Take off the hate blinders, dude.

Take off the nostalgia goggles and try actually playing them today, on an actual N64 with the actual N64 controller. Going back to N64 feels like learning a foreign language or something. Its baffling, because you know you spent years having fun with this and being good, and now just basic movement and aiming doesnt compute lol. I played Turok like this at a friends house pretty recently, and it was a trip.

Meanwhile, some SNES games are timeless and playing them feels like coming home no matter how long it was since you last touched them.

Hind D. It was the first Nintendo console to have virtually no 3rd Party support, and while the core Ninty franchises had revolutionary entries on the N64, for my tastes most of them were handily eclipsed by their Gamecube successors (Zelda, Mario Kart, and Smash in particular - not to mention the GCN having Metroid Prime, whereas the N64 left the franchise out in the cold).

I knew who Sugar Ray were WAY before they were famous as they were on Beavis and Butthead in 1995.

PraetorXyn posted...

Take off the nostalgia goggles and try actually playing them today, on an actual N64 with the actual N64 controller. Going back to N64 feels like learning a foreign language or something. Its baffling, because you know you spent years having fun with this and being good, and now just basic movement and aiming doesnt compute lol. I played Turok like this at a friends house pretty recently, and it was a trip.

Meanwhile, some SNES games are timeless and playing them feels like coming home no matter how long it was since you last touched them.

you totally ignored my point, at this stage I am not sure whether youre trolling or not.

whether a game aged well or not has no bearing on how good it was when it was a new game, or how revolutionary it was when released.

by your logic the newest iteration of a game or a console would most often be the best one.

disagreeing with me is fine. I may even be wrong. Pretending I didnt say anything and doubling down on your argument is not

Had the greatest game ever made on it which was Donkey Kong 64 so big C.

Music_Rock_Cat posted...

I knew who Sugar Ray were WAY before they were famous as they were on Beavis and Butthead ichildren.

I missed that episode. Mean Machine was solid.

People swore up and down that quest 64 would be better than final fantasy 7.

No party, no item management, etc.

Starks posted...

People swore up and down that quest 64 would be better than final fantasy 7.

No party, no item management, etc.

No real gameplay, no story. It makes AEW Fight Forever seem full of different match types.

Quake-64 posted...

you totally ignored my point, at this stage I am not sure whether youre trolling or not.

whether a game aged well or not has no bearing on how good it was when it was a new game, or how revolutionary it was when released.

by your logic the newest iteration of a game or a console would most often be the best one.

disagreeing with me is fine. I may even be wrong. Pretending I didnt say anything and doubling down on your argument is not

I dont know what youre talking about. The last time I responded to you was post 79, and I dont see that you said anything since then until this post, unless youre using two different accounts.

We can agree to disagree on whether how something has aged matters.

And no, I dont think that at all. Ive said multiple times, SNES is the best Nintendo console. I also dont agree the newest iteration is the best in fact it typically isnt. I just think the early 3D versions are typically some of the worst iterations. Windwaker is probably the best 3D Zelda, because Breath of the Wild is boring after the new wears off, but Ill take A Limk to the Past and A Link Between Worlds over the 3D Zeldas any day.

Kamil posted...

No real gameplay, no story. It makes AEW Fight Forever seem full of different match types.

I didn't mind the battle system in isolation. Hadn't seen something like that before. But the controls and camera were awful.

Pikachuchupika posted...

This is a topic Duncan would make lol.

The greatest console was the PS1. So many great games.

Arguably the greatest system for JRPGs ever. However, it still experiences the janky transition to 3D, so I still feel a lot of action/adventure games, while still fun, show their age.