Current Events > Todd Howard confirms Starfield locked at 30fps on console.

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Questionmarktarius
06/12/23 12:02:21 PM
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Consoles are frozen in time, with hardware that was already obsolete.
If anything, making it easy to port PC games was a mistake. Nothing is ever optimized on PC because you don't have to, putting console ports in a severe dilemma from the get-go.
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JasonSehorn
06/12/23 12:07:01 PM
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so 4k 30 how bout 2k at 60
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Halo478
06/12/23 1:23:32 PM
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Smh

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The_Wheelman1
06/12/23 1:27:10 PM
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It just works

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IceCreamOnStero
06/12/23 1:31:01 PM
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GunmaN1905 posted...
The obsession started when most AAA devs decided it's way easier to go for some gimmicky visual effects than actual fluid gameplay.

Who even notices dynamic lighting, next-gen shadows, a bit better draw distance in dynamic games where you need to put all of your focus on the gameplay.

But it's way easier to scale things up to 4k with irrelevant gimmicks than produce a stable framerate.
Yep. Never got the hype about stuff like ray tracing. I'll spend most if the game moving and actuslly playing so having a fluid experience is far more important than some fsncy lighting effects I only notice if I stand around and look for it

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Shotgunnova
06/12/23 1:36:40 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
"Todd Howard confirms Starfield..."

Honestly I doubt that finishing that sentence with "...will contain full-frontal nudity" could stir my interest.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/7/8/AABhrNAAEj6e.png

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Xenogears15
06/12/23 1:37:39 PM
#58:


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah, fuck off Todd. Definitely not getting this now.

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justaguy3492
06/12/23 1:42:39 PM
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People saying "it's fine fps doesn't matter" must never have seen the difference even 144 makes over 60. I can't imagine gaming in 30 in this day and age

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Halo478
06/12/23 1:48:54 PM
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I mean that's why I'm getting it on PC

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NecroFoul99
06/12/23 1:50:37 PM
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Must be saving it for the XSX-2.

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LordFarquad1312
06/12/23 1:58:33 PM
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Imagine not being able to tell the difference.

https://devicetests.com/fps-test

Go to an ophthalmologist, you're mighty sick.

Some mofos never learn and let Bethesda shove their entire penises up their duodenums.

You'll be lucky if it runs at a stable 30.

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Kimberly
06/12/23 2:01:07 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
You'll be lucky if it runs at a stable 30.

That's my main concern. Too many games that are locked to 30 struggle to maintain 30. Tears of the Kingdom is my most recent bugbear for this. In a lot of areas dips regularly to the 20ish range, and it's really jarring.

Devs ensuring that their games on both Series S and X are really getting screwed by Microsoft's choice to make a 'budget console.'

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Will_VIIII
06/12/23 2:16:55 PM
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Kimberly posted...
That's my main concern. Too many games that are locked to 30 struggle to maintain 30. Tears of the Kingdom is my most recent bugbear for this. In a lot of areas dips regularly to the 20ish range, and it's really jarring.

Devs ensuring that their games on both Series S and X are really getting screwed by Microsoft's choice to make a 'budget console.'
Don't a lot of games offer options for the series X, like 60fps by dropping down to 1080p?

Kinda baffling that they didn't do this

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DipDipDiver
06/12/23 2:22:44 PM
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GunmaN1905 posted...
Everyone who never experienced a fast-paced game at 240+ fps should find a way to do so. I don't care how, but once you feel the fluidity you can't ever go back.
Sounds like a good way to ruin gaming for yourself. Right now I have zero issue playing games that are 30 fps, so I don't think I'd want to make myself not able to do that anymore
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gmanthebest
06/12/23 2:27:48 PM
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Meh, as long as it's locked and won't drop, then it's not that big of an issue. Grew up with a lot worse than that.

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GunmaN1905
06/12/23 2:30:42 PM
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DipDipDiver posted...
Sounds like a good way to ruin gaming for yourself. Right now I have zero issue playing games that are 30 fps, so I don't think I'd want to make myself not able to do that anymore

Maybe, but it's 2023 and people should have options.

When I'm immersed into a game, especially first-person shooters, I don't really care about graphics quality. Shadows, reflections, lighting, dynamic this or that, who cares. As long as the game is fluid.

Aiming around in a low framerate slideshow feels horrible.
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Ryangrad
06/12/23 2:33:35 PM
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GunmaN1905 posted...
Maybe, but it's 2023 and people should have options.

When I'm immersed into a game, especially first-person shooters, I don't really care about graphics quality. Shadows, reflections, lighting, dynamic this or that, who cares. As long as the game is fluid.

Aiming around in a low framerate slideshow feels horrible.
So you want him to feel just as bad?

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Gobstoppers12
06/12/23 2:34:18 PM
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30 fps is fine.

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Solution_45
06/12/23 2:35:34 PM
#72:


series x the most powerful console ever can only muster a weak 30 fps
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Michael_Booth
06/12/23 2:39:13 PM
#73:


Movies are all shown at 24fps, and look awesome. Anyone interpolating that shit will see what a higher frame-rate will do to a Cinematic Game, and what's what Starfield is -- a Cinematic Masterpiece.

This 30fps, was clearly a design choice to keep it more Cinematic, rather than a limitation of the Limitless, and Most Powerful Console ever designed, the Series X.
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vycebrand2
06/12/23 2:41:39 PM
#74:


refmon posted...
people will defend this
Most people don't care about 60fps

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Crimsoness
06/12/23 2:42:04 PM
#75:


Preorder canceled

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YourBestFrenemy
06/12/23 2:43:07 PM
#76:


Michael_Booth posted...
This 30fps, was clearly a design choice to keep it more Cinematic, rather than a limitation of the Limitless, and Most Powerful Console ever designed, the Series X.

The devs themselves said they made the 30fps choice to keep the performance consistent. I think I'll take their word for why they made that decision.

Edit: Unless of course your comment was sarcasm. In which case, well played.

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MarbyIsBack
06/12/23 2:55:25 PM
#77:


Avirosb posted...
Well if Todd Howard says something then it must be true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcLyDb6niA

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I4NRulez
06/12/23 2:57:04 PM
#78:


vycebrand2 posted...
Most people don't care about 60fps

thats definitely not true lol

most games will get shit reviews if the fps is under 60. One of the most common complaints about bloodborne is that its only 30fps.

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DrizztLink
06/12/23 2:57:19 PM
#79:


LordFarquad1312 posted...
Some mofos never learn and let Bethesda shove their entire penises up their duodenums.
...you entirely sure you know where the duodenum is?

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vycebrand2
06/12/23 2:58:08 PM
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Most dont. Stop fooling yourselves

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Gobstoppers12
06/12/23 3:00:19 PM
#81:


I4NRulez posted...
most games will get shit reviews if the fps is under 60. One of the most common complaints about bloodborne is that its only 30fps.
Yeah, Bloodborne is definitely a game known for getting shit reviews...

lol

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Kimberly
06/12/23 3:01:19 PM
#82:


vycebrand2 posted...
Most dont.

If you tell me that most people aren't so disgusted by 30FPS that they would refuse to buy a game, I would believe you. Most people just want to play the game, period.

But if you are arguing that people would actively choose 30FPS out of 60FPS, then I think you're only fooling yourself.

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AwesomoSauce
06/12/23 3:01:53 PM
#83:


lol lets not pretend like Starfield needs graphics more than it does a 60fps stable framerate
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I4NRulez
06/12/23 3:08:45 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Yeah, Bloodborne is definitely a game known for getting shit reviews...

lol

Thats not what i said. I said one of the most common complaints with the game is the framerate.

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thronedfire2
06/12/23 3:10:49 PM
#85:


firedoom666 posted...
I never understood the obsession with framerate. I am 100% happy with a constant 30fps

its fine until you get used to it being higher

Im used to 144fps now and when it drops even to 90 its very noticeable

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Gobstoppers12
06/12/23 3:12:24 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
Thats not what i said. I said one of the most common complaints with the game is the framerate.
You just mentioned it right after saying that "most games will get shit reviews if the fps is under 60"

But that's not the case for your given example. Which games are you talking about?

I think only a loud minority even cares about fps. Most people don't even notice after a minute or two.

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Crimsoness
06/12/23 3:12:43 PM
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It's already a top seller on Steam lol

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YourBestFrenemy
06/12/23 3:15:24 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Most people don't even notice after a minute or two.

Put me in front of a game running at 30fps, and one running at 60fps, and I can tell you which is which 10 out of 10 times. I don't even need to be controlling it.
Not speaking for anyone else here, just me personally.

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Prestoff
06/12/23 3:15:53 PM
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TotK runs at a consistent 30fps and it's a solid game all around. If Starfield can get consistency with 30fps, I'll be okay with it. Not preferable, but still playable. If this was a multiplayer game than something like that was be inexcusable imo.

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VampireCoyote
06/12/23 3:16:25 PM
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That fucking sucks

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Gobstoppers12
06/12/23 3:16:36 PM
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YourBestFrenemy posted...
Put me in front of a game running at 30fps, and one running at 60fps, and I can tell you which is which 10 out of 10 times. I don't even need to be controlling it.
Yeah, me too, there's a clear difference. But after a minute or two, who gives a shit? It's easy to get used to. 30 fps is fine.

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CADE_FOSTER
06/12/23 3:17:43 PM
#92:


Crimsoness posted...
It's already a top seller on Steam lol
alot of stupid mofos tbh
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ellis123
06/12/23 3:18:17 PM
#93:


CADE_FOSTER posted...
alot
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/3/2/AAEv3mAAEj7U.jpg

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I4NRulez
06/12/23 3:19:39 PM
#94:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
You just mentioned it right after saying that "most games will get shit reviews if the fps is under 60"

But that's not the case for your given example. Which games are you talking about?

I think only a loud minority even cares about fps. Most people don't even notice after a minute or two.

Uncharted 4 released on PC with framerate issues and people complained
Cyberpunk
Calisto Protocol
Dead Space remake
Last of Us remake
Hogwarts Legacy

those are some of the games that i remember releasing with framerate problems at launch. I'm sure its fixed now but i remember all the complaints about it

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Will_VIIII
06/12/23 3:21:34 PM
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CADE_FOSTER posted...
alot of stupid mofos tbh
But the steam version would likely support 60fps

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YourBestFrenemy
06/12/23 3:21:38 PM
#96:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Yeah, me too, there's a clear difference. But after a minute or two, who gives a shit? It's easy to get used to. 30 fps is fine.

It bothers me. I tried playing Arkham Knights on SeX, but it just constantly felt leggy, and looked juddery.
Glad it's not an issue for you though.

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Gobstoppers12
06/12/23 3:23:23 PM
#97:


I4NRulez posted...
those are some of the games that i remember releasing with framerate problems at launch. I'm sure its fixed now but i remember all the complaints about it
30 fps was not the leading complaint for any of those games lol

Having a steady 30 fps is not the same thing as "having framerate issues" either.

At the end of the day, 30 fps is perfectly acceptable. Especially as a standard that allows the developers to push the visuals just a little bit more for everybody to enjoy without slowdown.

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DrizztLink
06/12/23 3:23:54 PM
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I4NRulez posted...
Cyberpunk
Hardly a fair example, nothing in that game worked right at launch.

FPS was just one of many issues.

And IIRC Callisto Protocol just straight up sucked.

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CADE_FOSTER
06/12/23 3:25:02 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
But the steam version would likely support 60fps
no im talking bought pre ordering
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Nirvanas_Nox
06/12/23 3:25:28 PM
#100:


firedoom666 posted...
I never understood the obsession with framerate. I am 100% happy with a constant 30fps


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Gobstoppers12
06/12/23 3:26:50 PM
#101:


CADE_FOSTER posted...
no im talking bought pre ordering
Pre-ordering is a fine practice if you know you're going to buy it day one anyway. Lets you spend the money early so you don't have to keep it earmarked, gives you access to silly little bonuses for no extra charge, usually lets you download it and get ready to play a little early, etc.

People aren't dumb for buying games.

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