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bkilla 06/10/23 3:51:27 AM #52: |
I canceled. Built a server instead. Now everything on Netflix will be free for life. Screw them. --- By evolving consciousness, nature has become conscious of itself. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 4:00:01 AM #53: |
bkilla posted... I canceled. Built a server instead. Now everything on Netflix will be free for life. Screw them. This happened. Can we all agree that this company asked me to pay for their product instead of essentially doubling/tripling/quadrupling it for free, so Im just going to steal everything instead is actually not a good take and acknowledging that isnt bootlicking? Like. Come on now. I bought a ticket to the theater and then photocopied it and gave five to my friends, but the theater didnt bother stopping that for a long time. Now they say I cant do it, so Im just going to sneak into every movie without paying forever! Like wtf? What is the logic here? You just shouldnt have to pay for things because youre special? --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bkilla 06/10/23 4:12:42 AM #54: |
Zonbei posted... This happened. It did happen. I have a 40TB Unraid server now. My entire family uses it. Netflix changed their mind on a promise they made years ago while continuously raising prices. I paid for Netflix for nearly 8 years. Canadians were pissed. Maybe you like being shafted? Now bugger off. --- By evolving consciousness, nature has become conscious of itself. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bkilla 06/10/23 4:19:24 AM #56: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Not to mention the bullshit you have to go through now when traveling. --- By evolving consciousness, nature has become conscious of itself. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 4:26:36 AM #57: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] No, Im not. If a company offers a family plan, then its not stealing to use it. How is a family plan the same thing as just using someone elses password and login to use the service theyre paying for for yourself? Netflix has a family plan analogue. It costs money. In fact, literally every single family plan that every single service has costs more than a plan for a single person. So I literally.. dont know what youre talking about. I didnt even say sharing your password is stealing. Im saying that its understandable for the company to not allow it because it was basically something free people were getting for no real reason. It wasnt stealing, because it was allowed. Its also not wrong for a company to want people to.. pay for its products? At least within the framework where we allow companies to exist at all? Now, making a server to download all their shit or whatever is in fact stealing. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 4:31:38 AM #58: |
bkilla posted... It did happen. I have a 40TB Unraid server now. My entire family uses it. Netflix changed their mind on a promise they made years ago while continuously raising prices. I paid for Netflix for nearly 8 years. Canadians were pissed. Maybe you like being shafted? Now bugger off. I paid for Netflix for 8 years and they changed their terms after they said they wouldnt years ago, so now Im entitled to steal whatever I want isnt the argument you think it is. I swear to god, companies are literally destroying the world and you people are like Netflix wants us to PAY for NETFLIX?! This is unconscionable and I must resort to theft! Its extremely silly. Also you have a 40TB server so you can steal from them? Im not a tech guy so I might very well be wrong, but wouldnt it be cheaper to just pay for Netflix at that point? --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bkilla 06/10/23 4:32:52 AM #59: |
Zonbei posted... Now, making a server to download all their shit or whatever is in fact stealing. They went back on their promise. Too bad, so sad. Don't worry, they don't have much to download nowadays anyway. Plex and Jellyfin are so much better than Netflix. So...so much better. Oh well... --- By evolving consciousness, nature has become conscious of itself. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bkilla 06/10/23 4:35:15 AM #60: |
Zonbei posted... *cries in million/billionaire --- By evolving consciousness, nature has become conscious of itself. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 4:36:56 AM #61: |
bkilla posted... They went back on their promise. Too bad, so sad. Don't worry, they don't have much to download nowadays anyway. Plex and Jellyfin are so much better than Netflix. So...so much better. The funny thing is I cant even seem to find them promising never to end password sharing. Sort of think you just want a justification for stealing shit. they went back on their promise cool backstory, youre still stealing because someone asked you to pay for their product. Im all for stealing from giant companies, but because I dont want to pay for a product isnt a good enough reason in my book. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 4:37:58 AM #62: |
bkilla posted... *cries in million/billionaire I dont really care about Netflix or their money lol. I just think as a general moral principle, people shouldnt just steal shit because they want it and dont want to pay for it. You know. A concept thats been around for literal millennia and basically needs to exist for society to function. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bkilla 06/10/23 4:40:17 AM #63: |
Zonbei posted... The funny thing is I cant even seem to find them promising never to end password sharing. Sort of think you just want a justification for stealing shit. It's good enough for me. They made 30+ billion dollars (net 4) last year (and a hell of a lot more during the height of the pandemic) then want to screw over loyal customers? There are alternatives. Stop the moralizing. Nobody gives a shit. --- By evolving consciousness, nature has become conscious of itself. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 4:46:14 AM #64: |
bkilla posted... It's good enough for me. They make 30+ billion dollars last year (and a hell of a lot more during the height of the pandemic) then want to screw over loyal customers? There are alternatives. Stop the moralizing. Nobody gives a shit. I dont have to have morals, a giant company made me feel bad by breaking a promise I probably made up! Alright bud. Stealing just because you dont want to pay for things is like one of the most basic of morally bad things. Going stop moralizing doesnt change that. If you want companies to stop doing things to keep making more money than before, (you know, the basic premise and literal only goal of a corporation), maybe do something useful about our late stage capitalist society instead of uh *checks notes* spending a bunch of money on 40TB servers or whatever so you can steal shit and watch tv. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bkilla 06/10/23 4:49:48 AM #65: |
Zonbei posted... I dont have to have morals, a giant company made me feel bad by breaking a promise I probably made up! Alright bud. Stealing just because you dont want to pay for things is like one of the most basic of morally bad things. Going stop moralizing doesnt change that. Alright bootlicker. lol. --- By evolving consciousness, nature has become conscious of itself. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER 06/10/23 5:15:34 AM #66: |
So what actually shows up to people who try to share a password? --- I wash myself with a rag on stiiick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hornezz 06/10/23 5:18:35 AM #67: |
FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER posted... So what actually shows up to people who try to share a password?https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/5/1/AACpnzAAEjcX.jpg --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 06/10/23 5:19:41 AM #68: |
Imagine being such a bootlicker you think Netflix didnt make an anti-consumer decision ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 06/10/23 5:22:11 AM #69: |
No ethical consumption under capitalism, so in that regard morality is artificial. Especially in the digital age where making a copy of something is not even remotely comparable to stealing from an apple cart. Part of what makes stealing wrong is that it deprives the owner of the item. Downloads are not lost sales. Making a copy of something simply means you get it for free, and the only position in opposition to that is one of spite. Which doesnt make it invalid, just admit thats your position. That said Zonbei posted... You know you cant just call it bootlicking anytime anyone believes anything even remotely in favor of a company or government, like people should pay for things they want probably, right? All good, as long as it runs both ways. You cant call something entitlement anytime someone remotely criticises a companys monetisation practices. Not you personally, just in general. --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 5:25:25 AM #70: |
Dark_Arbron posted... No ethical consumption under capitalism, so in that regard morality is artificial. Especially in the digital age where making a copy of something is not even remotely comparable to stealing from an apple cart. Yeah I dont really have an issue with the criticism of them deciding to do it. (Other than wondering why anyone is surprised the capitalist corporation is trying to make more profits.) Just with the whole how dare they want us to pay for things, Im going to steal things now garbage. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mew 06/10/23 5:27:25 AM #71: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... Imagine being such a bootlicker you think Netflix didnt make an anti-consumer decision --- https://gfycat.com/tensescarygermanshepherd ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 5:29:44 AM #72: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... Imagine being such a bootlicker you think Netflix didnt make an anti-consumer decision Of course its an anti-consumer decision. Theyre a giant corporation. Every single decision every single corporation makes is pro-making money. Any decision that seems pro-consumer is for the aim of making money. If you dont like what theyre doing, dont consume their products. Take a principled stand and decide not to use their stuff. Not Ill just steal it so I dont actually have to lose anything or sacrifice even the slightest bit in order to have a stance on this. Because in the end, even if its a giant corporation, youre still just stealing shit because you dont want to pay for it. And society is built on people not just taking whatever the fuck they want because they can. (Or at least it should be. Late stage capitalism has allowed far more of that than is healthy and thats why everything is going to shit.) --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER 06/10/23 5:32:30 AM #73: |
Hornezz posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/5/1/AACpnzAAEjcX.jpg Interesting havent seen it yet --- I wash myself with a rag on stiiick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 5:36:38 AM #74: |
Dark_Arbron posted... No ethical consumption under capitalism, so in that regard morality is artificial. Especially in the digital age where making a copy of something is not even remotely comparable to stealing from an apple cart. Part of what makes stealing wrong is that it deprives the owner of the item. Since you edited this: thats part of what makes stealing wrong, but thats not all of it. If you steal an apple from a farmer, youre not just depriving them of the item. Youre depriving them of the profit they would have made from selling the apple to you, a person who wants the apple, which they spent time and effort on growing. While physically depriving them of it doesn't apply to digital items, stealing the product of their work does. Stealing isnt magically not stealing because its digital. People put time and effort into these shows/movies/whatever. People put work into the platform. when you dont pay for it but just download all the shit anyways, youre stealing the product of that work/the proceeds. sure, they can sell it to someone else because you didnt physically deprive them of it, but youve still benefited from the work without compensating them for it, without their permission. and then you go well I wasnt going to buy it anyways so they didnt lose the profit. Ignoring that that isnt actually true in many cases, thats where the word entitlement comes in. If you arent going to buy something, then you dont get to have it. Thinking you deserve it anyways so you might as well steal it is literally the definition of entitlement. And sure: the giant corporation can easily eat that loss. They probably deserve to lose profits. That doesnt make it not stealing. I just dont really think I dont like what you did and dont want to pay for your product, so Im going to steal your stuff is a morally good stance. The company loses JUST as much profit and is hurt just as badly if you simply dont use their product. The stealing isnt some moral good or a necessity. It isnt sending a message. its just you getting a thing you want. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ratchetrockon 06/10/23 5:39:36 AM #75: |
--- I'm a Taurus. Currently playing: disco elysium, stasis: bone totem He/Him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kloe_Rinz 06/10/23 7:56:57 AM #76: |
because zonbei has ignored the studies that prove piracy doesn't decrease sales. he has to type 4 paragraphs of bootlicking to justify his anti-consumer beliefs zonbei doesnt even understand what piracy is or how it differs from theft ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Aloc 06/10/23 7:58:04 AM #77: |
He was really toxic in that lizzo thread. Is zonbei just the biggest contrarian here? --- Don't drop the phone ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Arbron 06/10/23 8:04:22 AM #78: |
Kloe_Rinz posted... piracy doesn't decrease sales. Correct. Also, people will pay for good service, as evidenced by platforms such as Steam. Piracy isn't a thing because "people are just trash and don't want to pay," it's a thing because it usually provides a better service. For example, pirated movies not having the unnecessary anti-piracy disclaimer only found on legal copies. Another example in more recent times, pirated games circumventing DRM - unwanted piggyback software that causes performance issues (at best), actually damages your computer (at worst), and in all cases just gets in the way of the player and the game. Provide a good service, make money from it. Simple. (Note: I'm speaking generally. I don't know anything about this Netflix topic or what "password sharing" even refers to, so I can't say whether or not I dis/agree with Netflix's actions here. Everything I've said in this thread refers to publishers in general.) --- "The US is not a single country. It is ~20 developed countries being held hostage by ~25 developing countries and ~5 failed states." -Calintares ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hornezz 06/10/23 9:33:43 AM #79: |
Dark_Arbron posted... Piracy isn't a thing because "people are just trash and don't want to pay," it's a thing because it usually provides a better service.Exactly. I'd even argue my Jellyfin server has cost more than several years worth of subscriptions. Especially if you factor in all the time spent on setup and maintenance. Netflix has made several business decisions that made their service outright inferior to piracy, even when ignoring cost. Meanwhile, I'm happily paying for Spotify Family because it's simply more convenient than pirating music. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zonbei 06/10/23 6:41:42 PM #80: |
Aloc posted... He was really toxic in that lizzo thread. I didnt agree with you personally two whole times, so I must be a contrarian. Thats definitely how that works. And right, I was the toxic one in the Lizzo thread. Not all the people being horrible about someones weight and generally acting like dicks. People Ive disagreed with IN THIS TOPIC agreed with me in that one. Pretty sure thats not how being a contrarian works. Kloe_Rinz posted... because zonbei has ignored the studies that prove piracy doesn't decrease sales. he has to type 4 paragraphs of bootlicking to justify his anti-consumer beliefs I wasnt talking about piracy. I was talking about theft. Youre the one that doesnt seem to know the difference. I have no problem with piracy when it isnt blatantly theft. Which it is when you say I dont like them charging money, so Im cancelling my subscription and pirating all their shit instead. Thats not the same thing as I cant afford this so Ill pirate it or the service is so terrible and unusable Ill pirate it or its not available so Ill pirate it. Also, the very study youre so smugly citing didnt prove that piracy doesnt affect sales. Heres the actual words from the actual study: The results do not show *robust statistical evidence *of displacement of sales by online copyright infringements. That *does not necessarily mean that piracy has no effect* but only that the statistical analysis does not prove with sufficient reliability that there is an effect. It DID find that pirating recent top box office hits actually DID impact sales negatively. This is, again, the literal study youre citing. --- It's a luscious mix of words and tricks, that let us bet, when we know we should have folded. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FL81 06/12/23 12:20:56 AM #81: |
imagine a company pulling such an anti-consumer move, then you rewarding them with more subscriptions --- https://i.imgur.com/TGkNCva.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 06/12/23 8:28:40 AM #83: |
FL81 posted... imagine a company pulling such an anti-consumer move, then you rewarding them with more subscriptions i doubt most businesses consider freeloaders to be valid consumers --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Karovorak 06/12/23 8:33:42 AM #84: |
FL81 posted... imagine a company pulling such an anti-consumer move, then you rewarding them with more subscriptions Just wait a bit more to see how it turns out. Of course there is going to be a rise in sign ups, when Netflix forces people to sign up. The question is how long this rise will stay, and how many accounts are quiting compared to that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BTH_Phoenix 06/12/23 9:51:00 AM #85: |
Of course Everybody who paid for the account didn't lose service Some people who have to pay up now decided to do it People aren't going to shut off their own access in solidarity with the moochers, lol --- *whoosh* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TentacleDemon 06/12/23 10:59:46 PM #86: |
BTH_Phoenix posted... People aren't going to shut off their own access in solidarity with the moochers, lol My parents canceled their account because of the change. Canceled the account and insisted on a refund for the remainder of this billing cycle. --- "Together there are more of US!!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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