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Solid_Sonic 04/20/23 1:03:34 PM #1:	(topic) Yes, make them pay No, it needs to be arrestable Why not both? #TacoTuesday Nothing should happen, it is a human right to say whatever you want and no one should be able to legislate against that (topic) - Results (27 votes) Yes, make them pay 48.15% (13 votes) 13 No, it needs to be arrestable 7.41% (2 votes) 2 Why not both? #TacoTuesday 25.93% (7 votes) 7 Nothing should happen, it is a human right to say whatever you want and no one should be able to legislate against that 18.52% (5 votes) 5 Well? --- Surely if I stick up for rich people on the Internet I'll eventually get a sweet job offer from them, right? <cite>Solid_Sonic posted [p:972965255] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote> (topic) Yes, make them pay No, it needs to be arrestable Why not both? #TacoTuesday Nothing should happen, it is a human right to say whatever you want and no one should be able to legislate against that Vote View Results (topic) - Results (27 votes) Yes, make them pay 48.15% (13 votes) 13 No, it needs to be arrestable 7.41% (2 votes) 2 Why not both? #TacoTuesday 25.93% (7 votes) 7 Nothing should happen, it is a human right to say whatever you want and no one should be able to legislate against that 18.52% (5 votes) 5 Show Voting Form function poll_vote() { var vote_option = $("input[name='poll_vote']:checked").val(); if(!vote_option) return; $.ajax({ type: 'POST', url: '/ajax/forum_poll_vote', data: { option: vote_option, board: '400', topic: '80418353', message: '0', key: 'ab6591dc' }, success: function(response) { if(response.error) { alert(response.error); } else { $("#poll_vote").hide(); $("#poll_results").html(response.html).show(); } } }); } function view_results_legacy() { $("#poll_vote").hide(); $("#poll_results").show(); } function hide_results_legacy() { $("#poll_results").hide(); $("#poll_vote").show(); } Well? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 04/20/23 1:11:33 PM #3:	Truth exists independently. No one "decides" it. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:972965391] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>Truth exists independently. No one "decides" it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AloofHermit 04/20/23 1:13:03 PM #5:	truth for one person is false to another --- Steam/PSN:AloofHermit http://error1355.com/ce/Gunpo.html <cite>AloofHermit posted [p:972965411] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>truth for one person is false to another </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid_Sonic 04/20/23 1:13:27 PM #6:	mario2000 posted... Truth exists independently. No one "decides" it. Theoretically truth should be empirical in some fashion so you can actually attest to it in some way. I'm not absolutely certain that's plausible in every instance, though. --- Surely if I stick up for rich people on the Internet I'll eventually get a sweet job offer from them, right? <cite>Solid_Sonic posted [p:972965420] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite><quote>Truth exists independently. No one "decides" it.</quote>Theoretically truth should be empirical in some fashion so you can actually attest to it in some way.I'm not absolutely certain that's plausible in every instance, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 04/20/23 1:13:28 PM #7:	Congratulations, you've bankrupted The Onion --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:972965421] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>Congratulations, you've bankrupted The Onion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 04/20/23 1:13:51 PM #8:	mario2000 posted... Truth exists independently. No one "decides" it. This. If this was in place, you're risking turning into North Korea or something when someone abuses the system and overrides everyone elses "truths" with their own "truths" --- Name checks out "I don't wanna be the toughest, I just keep it 100 and think nothin of it"- Black Thought <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:972965425] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite><quote>Truth exists independently. No one "decides" it.</quote>This. If this was in place, you're risking turning into North Korea or something when someone abuses the system and overrides everyone elses "truths" with their own "truths"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid_Sonic 04/20/23 1:14:00 PM #9:	Intro2Logic posted... Congratulations, you've bankrupted The Onion I thought they went out of business after the world went too clown for them to actually make up things that sounded funnier than the absurdity that reality was taking. --- Surely if I stick up for rich people on the Internet I'll eventually get a sweet job offer from them, right? <cite>Solid_Sonic posted [p:972965427] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>Intro2Logic posted... </cite><quote>Congratulations, you've bankrupted The Onion</quote>I thought they went out of business after the world went too clown for them to actually make up things that sounded funnier than the absurdity that reality was taking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 04/20/23 1:16:31 PM #10:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Scientists, investigators, experts, etc. All the people that the right is trying to cancel, basically. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:972965456] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Scientists, investigators, experts, etc.All the people that the right is trying to cancel, basically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 04/20/23 1:17:54 PM #11:	mario2000 posted... Scientists, investigators, experts, etc. All the people that the right is trying to cancel, basically. I haven't heard someone pull put an "expert" perspective in awhile. I thought that became kind of disgraced with how silly and wrong a lot of them ended up being. It felt like it was just people who found a jacket that said "expert" laying on the ground Im not saying that's all it took to be considered an "expert". But the internet started calling out all the dumb ones and it became an overall nothing title since the focus was on the negative --- Name checks out "I don't wanna be the toughest, I just keep it 100 and think nothin of it"- Black Thought <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:972965474] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite><quote>Scientists, investigators, experts, etc.All the people that the right is trying to cancel, basically.</quote>I haven't heard someone pull put an "expert" perspective in awhile. I thought that became kind of disgraced with how silly and wrong a lot of them ended up being. It felt like it was just people who found a jacket that said "expert" laying on the ground Im not saying that's all it took to be considered an "expert". But the internet started calling out all the dumb ones and it became an overall nothing title since the focus was on the negative </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Adyingod 04/20/23 1:20:45 PM #13:	Punishable by fine just means legal for a price, so no. --- Don't steal my jokes please. <cite>Adyingod posted [p:972965518] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>Punishable by fine just means legal for a price, so no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
epik_fail1 04/20/23 1:20:57 PM #14:	Depends on how big the lie is. --- Dragaux for smash! <cite>epik_fail1 posted [p:972965523] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>Depends on how big the lie is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hornezz 04/20/23 1:22:48 PM #16:	If someone can prove they've been hurt by those lies, yes. --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:972965571] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>If someone can prove they've been hurt by those lies, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 04/20/23 1:23:17 PM #17:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Ideally the person or people with said legal authority would listen to the experts knowledgeable on the subject and make their ruling based on that. This is assuming we live in a society without biased, activist judges in the pocket of a major political party seeking to discredit experts. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:972965581] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Ideally the person or people with said legal authority would listen to the experts knowledgeable on the subject and make their ruling based on that.This is assuming we live in a society without biased, activist judges in the pocket of a major political party seeking to discredit experts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMogALT 04/20/23 1:23:42 PM #18:	Red states are in the process of banning information and people just because it/they are left-leaning. Therr are already weak laws on upholding the truth, they just need to be strengthened. That's certainly better than restricting information just because it's politically inconvenient. --- "We live in a country Hasire.." ~ yosouf06 REVOLVER STAKE! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/ChocoboMog123/AltEisenRChocoboMog.png <cite>ChocoboMogALT posted [p:972965588] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>Red states are in the process of banning information and people just because it/they are left-leaning.Therr are already weak laws on upholding the truth, they just need to be strengthened. That's certainly better than restricting information just because it's politically inconvenient. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 04/20/23 1:23:47 PM #19:	Eh... I feel like that would get abused. Especially since the wealthy would somehow avoid having to pay fines anyway. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:972965592] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>Eh... I feel like that would get abused. Especially since the wealthy would somehow avoid having to pay fines anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 04/20/23 1:23:48 PM #20:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Reminder that slander and libel already exist, and that applies here. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:972965594] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Reminder that slander and libel already exist, and that applies here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 04/20/23 1:27:50 PM #21:	Lost_All_Senses posted... I thought that became kind of disgraced Only among morons. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:972965675] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite><quote>I thought that became kind of disgraced</quote>Only among morons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lost_All_Senses 04/20/23 1:28:54 PM #22:	COVxy posted... Only among morons. Ha, you know that's righ-..wait a minute. --- Name checks out "I don't wanna be the toughest, I just keep it 100 and think nothin of it"- Black Thought <cite>Lost_All_Senses posted [p:972965697] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>COVxy posted... </cite><quote>Only among morons.</quote>Ha, you know that's righ-..wait a minute. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 04/20/23 1:34:12 PM #23:	spreading "nontruths" or "lies", as I like to call them --- https://i.imgur.com/TGkNCva.gif <cite>FL81 posted [p:972965808] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>spreading "nontruths"or "lies", as I like to call them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid_Sonic 04/20/23 1:40:33 PM #24:	FL81 posted... spreading "nontruths" or "lies", as I like to call them I feel like lies are deliberate and malicious, designed to deceive and mislead. Nontruths are like rejecting facts and just raging that no one believes your take. --- Surely if I stick up for rich people on the Internet I'll eventually get a sweet job offer from them, right? <cite>Solid_Sonic posted [p:972965933] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>FL81 posted... </cite><quote>spreading "nontruths"or "lies", as I like to call them</quote>I feel like lies are deliberate and malicious, designed to deceive and mislead.Nontruths are like rejecting facts and just raging that no one believes your take.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 04/20/23 2:23:52 PM #25:	I think this would have a lot of unintended consequences for the people voting Yes. For instance, what would be considered a nontruth in regards to the Rittenhouse incident? <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:972966878] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>I think this would have a lot of unintended consequences for the people voting Yes. For instance, what would be considered a nontruth in regards to the Rittenhouse incident?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 04/20/23 2:26:57 PM #26:	The thing about suggestions like this is that it kind of glazes over who decides if something is a non-truth or not. Do you want this iteration of the GOP to have appointing or deciding authority for if something spoken or written is finable or not? --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:972966956] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>The thing about suggestions like this is that it kind of glazes over who decides if something is a non-truth or not. Do you want this iteration of the GOP to have appointing or deciding authority for if something spoken or written is finable or not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid_Snake07 04/20/23 2:27:46 PM #27:	There already are to the extent that there should be --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid_Snake07 posted [p:972966971] in Should the... [t:80418353]...</cite> <quote>There already are to the extent that there should be</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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