Current Events > In Germany, you are required by law to deliver first aid to the extent you are

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able to.

Further, you can't sue/claim damages etc for anything that happens as a result of having been delivered first aid

teep_ posted...

Further, you can't sue/claim damages etc for anything that happens as a result of having been delivered first aid

I think this is true in the US as well. Not sure if the topic title is.

Depending on the wording, seems like the kind of law that could be stupidly enforced. As long as there's no overly harsh enforcement of it, I imagine it functions fine.

teep_ posted...

Further, you can't sue/claim damages etc for anything that happens as a result of having been delivered first aid

This right here is the key part and if that is NOT in place in some form people will go out of their way to avoid helping anyone.

tc just volunteered to give some mouth-to-mouth to the next lifeless crackhead he sees lying in an alley

Kaiganeer posted...

tc just volunteered to give some mouth-to-mouth to the next lifeless crackhead he sees lying in an alley

Nope since a) mouth to mouth isn't compulsory and b) you can buy barriers/filters to avoid contact while giving mouth to mouth

Source: I did my first aid cert today

It's a bit of a Showcase law really, good in principal -- but the fact that it states "deliver first aid to the extent you are able to" means there's so many work arounds that the law itself is meaningless except to show (or showcase) the spirit of what it means.

If you think America is bad with Healthcare, in China if you help someone you can be responsible for paying for their treatment if they're unable to. So you phoned that Ambulance? Too bad if they can't afford it, you're paying.

"In one notorious case, a court ordered a Nanjing man to pay more than 45,000 yuan (4,400) to an old lady whom he had taken to hospital. The judge argued it was common sense that he would not have gone to such trouble unless he had caused her fall." -- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/08/chinas-good-samaritans-count-cost

I think in the US it's a little tricker but generally you are protected.

I was doing some googling and apparently you have to act within your training and be rational about it. Like if you don't know how to perform a trach and you try to do one on someone and mess them up you can be sued. Or if you see a car wreck without fire and go to pull one of the drivers out of the car but they had a neck injury and you just made it worse and paralyzed them you can be held responsible because they didn't actually need pulled from the car and could have waited for EMS.

"I called 911. Thats the best i can do for you"

note to self
never go to germany

Flauros posted...

"I called 911. Thats the best i can do for you"

At least they do that:
"On the afternoon of 13 October 2011, in a narrow road in Foshan, Guangdong, a two-year-old Chinese girl (Wang Yue also known as "Little Yue Yue") who was run over by two motorists. As she lay bleeding and unconscious on the road for more than seven minutes, at least 18 passers-by skirted around her body, ignoring her."

I was reading an article about CPR the other day and it basically said that even if you're not sure of yourself you should still try, because doing it wrong is preferable to not doing anything

knightmarexx posted...

It's a bit of a Showcase law really, good in principal -- but the fact that it states "deliver first aid to the extent you are able to" means there's so many work arounds that the law itself is meaningless except to show (or showcase) the spirit of what it means.

Everyone is capable of calling 112 (911) and reporting that something happened, then following the instructions on the phone

catfan2008 posted...

note to self
never go to germany

mmm, dat edge

I don't want some kid who did a first aid course to try to administer help to me
I want a trained paramedic

knightmarexx posted...

At least they do that:
"On the afternoon of 13 October 2011, in a narrow road in Foshan, Guangdong, a two-year-old Chinese girl (Wang Yue also known as "Little Yue Yue") who was run over by two motorists. As she lay bleeding and unconscious on the road for more than seven minutes, at least 18 passers-by skirted around her body, ignoring her."

There are much worse examples of China's injury laws.

Like the people who make damn sure the person they hit is dead because otherwise they pay for their medical expenses.

catfan2008 posted...

I don't want some kid who did a first aid course to try to administer help to me
I want a trained paramedic

Okay, and the paramedic is up to 10 minutes away. You willing to take that gamble?

Wasn't this the last episode or two of Seinfeld?

teep_ posted...

Okay, and the paramedic is up to 10 minutes away. You willing to take that gamble?

I don't want some untrained person doing anything to me

catfan2008 posted...

I don't want some untrained person doing anything to me

Never underestimate direct pressure.

In America, a cop can stand there with his arms crossed while a bad guy beats you up.

catfan2008 posted...

I don't want some untrained person doing anything to me

...which is why first aid training is mandatory when getting a driving license, for example

I don't intend to visit there so trying claim a fully trained paramedic is just as trained as a child who did some first aid course for an hour isn't worth my time to read
have a nice day

Better than some countries. Isn't their one country that says if you help someone who is injured you are responsible for them so that has created a culture of not assisting people who need help for fear of being sued. I seem to remember one case where someone was run down and no one helped because they didn't want to end up in trouble. That's fucked up.

catfan2008 posted...

I don't intend to visit there so trying claim a fully trained paramedic is just as trained as a child who did some first aid course for an hour isn't worth my time to read
have a nice day

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